Thrustmaster T. Flight Hotas X/HAWX Review @ DH

Zardon · Apr 14, 2009, 12:52 PM

Read The Review Here
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Thrustmaster have been in operation for many years manufacturing PC and video game accessories and today we’ll be looking at their limited edition T.Flight Hotax S joystick supplied with the new Tom Clancy fighter pilot simulation, HAWX.

To test the bundle we decided to use the fantastic XFX 4890 to power the graphics - this card won our highest Heavenly Gold Award in recent testing.

BlueMak · Apr 14, 2009, 01:48 PM

Well, I didn't expect this review, but I am very glad you did it. I am convinced you guys have something that scans my thoughts, whenever I am thinking about buying something, next day you have a review of a (similar) product. I am worried.
The review was great as always. That's like saying the sky is blue.

I was checking some comments from people who bought them and lo and behold, the game HAWX uses no DRM to speak of. Why don't they mention this more I don't understand, not reviews, we have had this conversation before. Anyway it is a HUGE bonus that. Of course the game is still stupid for not allowing you to fly in pro mode from any camera view but a remote and to the side...

The joystic itself looks good. Is it heavy enough to stay in place with sudden movements? I don't see any suction cups underneath it.

It is very possible I will buy this one this week, thanks to the review.

NathanMarks · Apr 14, 2009, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueMak

Well, I didn't expect this review, but I am very glad you did it. I am convinced you guys have something that scans my thoughts, whenever I am thinking about buying something, next day you have a review of a (similar) product. I am worried.
The review was great as always. That's like saying the sky is blue.

I was checking some comments from people who bought them and lo and behold, the game HAWX uses no DRM to speak of. Why don't they mention this more I don't understand, not reviews, we have had this conversation before. Anyway it is a HUGE bonus that. Of course the game is still stupid for not allowing you to fly in pro mode from any camera view but a remote and to the side...

The joystic itself looks good. Is it heavy enough to stay in place with sudden movements? I don't see any suction cups underneath it.

It is very possible I will buy this one this week, thanks to the review.

Hey BlueMak,

I actually found the Joystick to be quite good in that respect. If I purposely pushed the stick around with excessive force (outside of a game) it did left off the table but ONLY when the two units were seperated and not joined together.

However, in game I actually never experienced any issues with the joystick lifting off the table, even in quick dogfights with rapid changes of direction and movement. (I used the two pieces seperated, not joined)

BlueMak · Apr 14, 2009, 02:17 PM

That's great, thank you. Have you tried it with any PC military flight sims?

**temeteus82** · Apr 14, 2009, 02:18 PM

heh, I've been waiting for this review

Now I know that to get when I finally move to FSX

comp_ali · Apr 14, 2009, 04:14 PM

Very impressive price , and Nice review.

Mac Daddy · Apr 15, 2009, 02:52 AM

Looking good and great review

BlueMak · Apr 17, 2009, 03:00 PM

Can anyone find this? It's out of stock everywhere I have looked.

Zardon · Apr 17, 2009, 07:26 PM

play had it in stock when we went live, must be sold out already... can't see it anywhere else which is very unusual.

BlueMak · Apr 17, 2009, 09:33 PM

Yeah, I left the purchase of it for a few days and now I can't find this combo anywhere for sale lol.
Sad actualy.

Zardon · Apr 17, 2009, 09:34 PM

the power of DH

ET3D · Apr 17, 2009, 11:31 PM

Looks like a nice joystick. I have Flight Simulator X, though it's not currently installed (was taking too much space for something I don't play). A good joystick might make it more fun (I find that flying on the PC is harder than flying a real plane, in my limited experience). HAWX looks fun, too.

BlueMak · Apr 18, 2009, 01:01 AM

Yes, DH you screw me once again!!!! (I kid)

I would pre order it, but I am leaving for Greece in early June and I am afraid I won't be able to collect it.

I will keep trying for a couple more days and hope for the best.

1t.runner1 · Apr 30, 2009, 04:26 PM

Hi Zardon, or anybody who has tried this flight stick on the PC. Can you tell me if this flight stick combo comes with motors for vibration in PC games like MS flight Sim X or the PC version of HAWX?

I'm not expecting true force feedback with ultra-realistic physics forces but I would like to at least experience vibration as you get with the Xbox 360 controller when you use it with the PC version of HAWX.

The older Ace Combat 5 PS2 Flight Stick 2 bundle came with a Flight Stick 2 HOTAS design made by Hori that was also compatible with PC games and was capable of vibration if not force feedback, (see this article: IGN: Ace Combat Flight Stick 2 ).

Flights Stick 2 by Hori bundled with the Ace Combat 5 PS2 bundle

For future implementation of vibration/force feedback in games it's important to appreciate that the direct X implementation code has changed from DirectInput (which was PC only) to the Xbox friendly Xinput, that's why the Xbox controllers work with the PC if the game is coded correctly. See this article: XInput and DirectInput

However this also means that you're older force feedback/vibrating gamepad/joysticks will not work with some new Games for Windows titles that have not been coded correctly which I found out when I bought a Logitech Force 3-D flight stick a couple of days ago to use with HAWX. It doesn't vibrate like they Xbox 360 controller in HAWX to does work in MS flight Sim X, so it's not a complete waste of money.

As Microsoft flight Sim X is a true simulator and HAWX is more arcade action based how would like a Xinput compatible flight sticks (as implemented in the Xbox 360 controller) to experience the new vibration calculations coding in all future Games for Windows titles like HAWX, which really enhances your gaming experience.

Any suggestions appreciated as it feels like I am looking for "Red October" and I don't want to waste any more money like I did on the logic Force 3-D flight stick.

***craig5320*** · Apr 30, 2009, 04:43 PM

Well I'm no expert on flight sticks, I have a Saitek Cyborg Evo Force stick, which has good force feedback, but as you said it depends on the software coding.

I can tell you that this T.Flight has no vibration or force feedback feature whatsoever. So it doesn't fit your bill.

Thanks

Apr 14, 2009, 12:52 PM	#1
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Thrustmaster T. Flight Hotas X/HAWX Review @ DH Read The Review Here _______________________ Thrustmaster have been in operation for many years manufacturing PC and video game accessories and today we’ll be looking at their limited edition T.Flight Hotax S joystick supplied with the new Tom Clancy fighter pilot simulation, HAWX. To test the bundle we decided to use the fantastic XFX 4890 to power the graphics - this card won our highest Heavenly Gold Award in recent testing.

Apr 14, 2009, 01:48 PM	#2
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,465 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Re: Thrustmaster T. Flight Hotas X/HAWX Review @ DH Well, I didn't expect this review, but I am very glad you did it. I am convinced you guys have something that scans my thoughts, whenever I am thinking about buying something, next day you have a review of a (similar) product. I am worried. The review was great as always. That's like saying the sky is blue. I was checking some comments from people who bought them and lo and behold, the game HAWX uses no DRM to speak of. Why don't they mention this more I don't understand, not reviews, we have had this conversation before. Anyway it is a HUGE bonus that. Of course the game is still stupid for not allowing you to fly in pro mode from any camera view but a remote and to the side... The joystic itself looks good. Is it heavy enough to stay in place with sudden movements? I don't see any suction cups underneath it. It is very possible I will buy this one this week, thanks to the review. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Apr 14, 2009, 02:17 PM	#4
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,465 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Re: Thrustmaster T. Flight Hotas X/HAWX Review @ DH That's great, thank you. Have you tried it with any PC military flight sims? __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Apr 14, 2009, 04:14 PM	#6
comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,469 Rep Power: 339 System Specs	Re: Thrustmaster T. Flight Hotas X/HAWX Review @ DH Very impressive price , and Nice review. __________________

Apr 15, 2009, 02:52 AM	#7
Mac Daddy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 7,950 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	Re: Thrustmaster T. Flight Hotas X/HAWX Review @ DH Looking good and great review __________________ "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." - Tim Allen

Apr 17, 2009, 03:00 PM	#8
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,465 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Re: Thrustmaster T. Flight Hotas X/HAWX Review @ DH Can anyone find this? It's out of stock everywhere I have looked. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Apr 17, 2009, 07:26 PM	Thread Starter #9
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Re: Thrustmaster T. Flight Hotas X/HAWX Review @ DH play had it in stock when we went live, must be sold out already... can't see it anywhere else which is very unusual.

Apr 17, 2009, 09:33 PM	#10
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,465 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Re: Thrustmaster T. Flight Hotas X/HAWX Review @ DH Yeah, I left the purchase of it for a few days and now I can't find this combo anywhere for sale lol. Sad actualy. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Apr 17, 2009, 09:34 PM	Thread Starter #11
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Re: Thrustmaster T. Flight Hotas X/HAWX Review @ DH the power of DH

Apr 17, 2009, 11:31 PM	#12
ET3D Hopeless Dreamer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dreamland, near the pool of infinite graphics cards Posts: 3,057 Rep Power: 105 System Specs	Re: Thrustmaster T. Flight Hotas X/HAWX Review @ DH Looks like a nice joystick. I have Flight Simulator X, though it's not currently installed (was taking too much space for something I don't play). A good joystick might make it more fun (I find that flying on the PC is harder than flying a real plane, in my limited experience). HAWX looks fun, too.

Apr 18, 2009, 01:01 AM	#13
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,465 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Re: Thrustmaster T. Flight Hotas X/HAWX Review @ DH Yes, DH you screw me once again!!!! (I kid) I would pre order it, but I am leaving for Greece in early June and I am afraid I won't be able to collect it. I will keep trying for a couple more days and hope for the best. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Apr 30, 2009, 04:26 PM	#14
1t.runner1 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Re: Thrustmaster T. Flight Hotas X/HAWX Review @ DH Hi Zardon, or anybody who has tried this flight stick on the PC. Can you tell me if this flight stick combo comes with motors for vibration in PC games like MS flight Sim X or the PC version of HAWX? I'm not expecting true force feedback with ultra-realistic physics forces but I would like to at least experience vibration as you get with the Xbox 360 controller when you use it with the PC version of HAWX. The older Ace Combat 5 PS2 Flight Stick 2 bundle came with a Flight Stick 2 HOTAS design made by Hori that was also compatible with PC games and was capable of vibration if not force feedback, (see this article: IGN: Ace Combat Flight Stick 2 ). Flights Stick 2 by Hori bundled with the Ace Combat 5 PS2 bundle For future implementation of vibration/force feedback in games it's important to appreciate that the direct X implementation code has changed from DirectInput (which was PC only) to the Xbox friendly Xinput, that's why the Xbox controllers work with the PC if the game is coded correctly. See this article: XInput and DirectInput However this also means that you're older force feedback/vibrating gamepad/joysticks will not work with some new Games for Windows titles that have not been coded correctly which I found out when I bought a Logitech Force 3-D flight stick a couple of days ago to use with HAWX. It doesn't vibrate like they Xbox 360 controller in HAWX to does work in MS flight Sim X, so it's not a complete waste of money. As Microsoft flight Sim X is a true simulator and HAWX is more arcade action based how would like a Xinput compatible flight sticks (as implemented in the Xbox 360 controller) to experience the new vibration calculations coding in all future Games for Windows titles like HAWX, which really enhances your gaming experience. Any suggestions appreciated as it feels like I am looking for "Red October" and I don't want to waste any more money like I did on the logic Force 3-D flight stick.

Apr 30, 2009, 04:43 PM	#15
*craig5320* HH Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 8,565 Rep Power: 445 System Specs	Re: Thrustmaster T. Flight Hotas X/HAWX Review @ DH Well I'm no expert on flight sticks, I have a Saitek Cyborg Evo Force stick, which has good force feedback, but as you said it depends on the software coding. I can tell you that this T.Flight has no vibration or force feedback feature whatsoever. So it doesn't fit your bill. Thanks __________________ HardwareHeaven on Facebook