RADEON driver with the new ATI mobility FireGL 5200?

pouni · Mar 14, 2006, 10:30 AM

Hi there,
I want to buy a Thinkpad T60P and it is very interesting to me if there will be a possibility to install the radeon driver on this card to be able to play games with it?
Another question:
How bad are the FireGL drivers for games?

Greets

Pouni

Schwarzer Riese · Mar 29, 2006, 07:45 PM

Hi!

Yeah thats really an interesting Question!
I want to buy a Notebook with this card too (perhaps).
In the "Mobility Mod Tool" Readme is only the FireGL V5100 but not the V5200.
Does it support the v5200 even though?

And on the Omega Drivers Page is written that it support EVERY Ati Card so the V5200 should be supported too..

And yes, does anybody know how bad the FireGL Cards Drivers are, if you want to play Games with them?

Cheers, Schwarzer Riese

codeyf · May 22, 2006, 06:01 PM

I too am curious if/when compatibility with the V5200 will be added. The tool worked like a charm with our IBM T42P laptops, with the FireGL T2, in fixing a problem with SketchUp. Now we're running in to the same problem with the T60P laptops

Qoz3a · May 30, 2006, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schwarzer Riese

Hi!

And yes, does anybody know how bad the FireGL Cards Drivers are, if you want to play Games with them?

Cheers, Schwarzer Riese

yeah i know how bad its ... it crashs after 5 minutes of playing ..

I hope if anyone can fix this problem ..

HockeyZ39 · Jul 21, 2006, 04:51 AM

I just purchased a T60p with the v5200 and I would also like to know if the mobility mod tool works or will be working with this card. I currently have the omega drivers installed, and would like to know if installing desktop drivers from a more gaming gear card yield more performance than the omega drivers???

I have not had any issues with this card running the omega drivers, It is not as good as I would have expected (when benchmarking) but it can run WoW at all the highest settings.

Splaktar · Apr 30, 2007, 03:30 PM

I've got a new Thinkpad T60p and it crashes every 5 minutes while playing WoW. Did you guys ever figure out how to get it running correctly and which drivers were the best?

I've currently got the 4/5/2007 driver from Windows Update. I'm not sure if going back to one of the old 2005 drivers would help at all.

Splaktar · Apr 30, 2007, 04:22 PM

Well I tried out the Mod Tool with the Catalyst 7.4 drivers and everything installed just fine. Reboot, etc. Then after only 2 minutes in WoW, crash, again. I guess I'll try out the Omega drivers (Catalyst 7.1 version) as suggested above. I certainly wasn't running with max settings.

**Spike** · Apr 30, 2007, 06:50 PM

I have no idea if the ModTool for XP supports that card. The new Mobility Modder.NET that i wrote is for windows vista and does not support XP drivers.

Splaktar · Apr 30, 2007, 07:50 PM

Omega drivers didn't work either. I was in WoW for about 6 minutes this time before my machine hung.

Splaktar · May 6, 2007, 07:21 PM

I tried to use the mod tool with the FireGL drivers (http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/xp/fireglv-xp.html). There's no errors when it runs, but when I try to install them, it says that it can't find a valid video card on my system for those drivers.

So here's my results so far:

Lenovo Catalyst 5.12/5.13/6.1 based 12/20/2005 - 8.204.0.0 - Bench: 1508
Ran WoW for an hour. No unsupported errors in event log.

Lenovo Catalyst Unknown 9/13/06 - Direct3D 6.14.10.0431 - 8.293.1.0 - Bench: 1591
Played WoW for 2 hours in old world and EotS just fine, crash every few minutes in
Shadowmoon Valley though. No unsupported errors in event log.

Omega Drivers Catalyst 7.1 based 12/16/06 - 8.33.0.0 - 6.14.10.6660 - Bench: 1608
Crashes frequently in WoW. Unsupported errors in event log.

ATI Catalyst Mobile 7.4 3/14/07 - 8.360.0.0 - 6.14.10.6683 - Bench: 1612, 1609
Crash after a few minutes in Org. Unsupported errors in event log.

ATI Catalyst Modded 7.4 3/14/07 - 8.360.0.0 - 6.14.10.6683 - Bench: 1614
Crash after a few minutes in Org. Unsupported errors in event log.

ATI/AMD FireGL Drivers - Won't install, mod tool doesn't support, drivers not made for mobility.

**Spike** · May 6, 2007, 07:39 PM

The tool is only for Vista drivers and only to work with the ATI Catalyst Drivers so not a firegl driver and not in xp.

Splaktar · May 6, 2007, 07:42 PM

Yeah, I was using the XP tool and not the Vista tool.

**Spike** · May 6, 2007, 08:47 PM

aha ok, but that i believe that tool is also only for the normal drivers

nrgetik · May 15, 2007, 11:59 PM

Any updates on this...? I can't even get omega drivers to work with my 5250...

Splaktar · May 16, 2007, 01:01 AM

The latest and best performning drivers that I found were actually from the Windows Update site. They are Lenovo drivers, but I wasn't able to get them from the Lenovo website (maybe it's been updated now).

As for my lock up problem, it's covered in detail here, http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic...afbf2e4d29cc6f

My new RAM to replace the defective parts is in the mail atm.

nrgetik · May 16, 2007, 05:32 PM

Well, I'm not crashing at any time other than when I try to play City of Heroes, and the latest driver from windows update sort of makes it even worse. I haven't even been able to get the omegadrivers to work, can you help with this? Which ones do I get? Do I have to choose a soft mod option?

halcyonwind · May 16, 2007, 11:08 PM

So will there ever be a mod tool for FireGL? It seems like a lot of people have this problem.

AngryDutchman · May 25, 2007, 12:46 PM

I'd like to see someone reverse engineer the FireGL X5200 card to a X1600. So far, where ever i've looked, i've only found softmods for X1600 to GL V5200.

-Vinnie Nguyen

**Spike** · May 25, 2007, 04:01 PM

I am working on adding support to mod XP drivers to my Mobility Modder.NET and that should support the firegl cards.

hacktrix2006 · May 26, 2007, 06:06 PM

Hi spike how are you? Any luck yet with M6 & M7 support???

**Spike** · May 26, 2007, 07:37 PM

Now i think i have the support for XP, but vista is different, looks like the vista drivers don't support the cards, but i have to look deeper into that.

mr_pi · May 27, 2007, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike

I am working on adding support to mod XP drivers to my Mobility Modder.NET and that should support the firegl cards.

same problem, the current mobility modder doesn't support FireGL V5200. plz let us know when you've updated the tool

**Spike** · May 27, 2007, 07:38 PM

mr_pi can you send me an email at info@drivercleaner.net and then i can send you a new beta to test if the xp support works. If it works i can release the new beta.

kallell · Jun 2, 2007, 11:59 AM

ya, i would really like to see support for the firegl v5200 as well. Playing wow and crashing every 5 minutes is just killing me.

nedski · Jun 8, 2007, 02:43 PM

Looking forward to this support when it's done too

**Spike** · Jun 8, 2007, 04:25 PM

Check out the Mobility Modder.NET 0.8.0.0 that have now XP support and support for those FireGL cards.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/modtool

nedski · Jun 8, 2007, 05:51 PM

Thanks for the heads up, but I have a question about this new version - when I used the old driver modder it would make the system recognise my v5200 as a Radeon X1600, but this modder doesn't do that - it is installed as a v5200. Does that impact the performance of using the modded driver at all? Does it disable any chipset features that would be used under X1600? Thanks for any answers you can give. N.

**Spike** · Jun 8, 2007, 09:06 PM

Hi,

i don't know if it has an impact on your performance. But if this VEN_1002&DEV_71C5&SUBSYS_30B4103C is the id of your card then it uses the exact same settings as the X1600. If this is your cards id VEN_1002&DEV_71C4 then it uses GL settings, but you can change that by modifying the following in a modded file:

"ATI MOBILITY FireGL V5200" = ati2mtag_M56GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_71C4

Change that into

"ATI MOBILITY FireGL V5200" = ati2mtag_M56, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_71C4

Then it uses the X1600 settings.

nedski · Jun 9, 2007, 02:57 AM

Great! Thanks very much for the info! Cheers, N.

Mar 14, 2006, 10:30 AM	#1
pouni DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	RADEON driver with the new ATI mobility FireGL 5200? Hi there, I want to buy a Thinkpad T60P and it is very interesting to me if there will be a possibility to install the radeon driver on this card to be able to play games with it? Another question: How bad are the FireGL drivers for games? Greets Pouni

Apr 30, 2007, 04:22 PM	#7
Splaktar DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Well I tried out the Mod Tool with the Catalyst 7.4 drivers and everything installed just fine. Reboot, etc. Then after only 2 minutes in WoW, crash, again. I guess I'll try out the Omega drivers (Catalyst 7.1 version) as suggested above. I certainly wasn't running with max settings. Last edited by Splaktar; Apr 30, 2007 at 04:26 PM. Reason: Update

Apr 30, 2007, 06:50 PM	#8
Spike Driver Cleaner Maker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Netherlands Posts: 2,088 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	I have no idea if the ModTool for XP supports that card. The new Mobility Modder.NET that i wrote is for windows vista and does not support XP drivers. __________________

May 6, 2007, 07:39 PM	#11
Spike Driver Cleaner Maker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Netherlands Posts: 2,088 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	The tool is only for Vista drivers and only to work with the ATI Catalyst Drivers so not a firegl driver and not in xp. __________________

May 6, 2007, 08:47 PM	#13
Spike Driver Cleaner Maker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Netherlands Posts: 2,088 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	aha ok, but that i believe that tool is also only for the normal drivers __________________

Mar 29, 2006, 07:45 PM	#2
Schwarzer Riese DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Hi! Yeah thats really an interesting Question! I want to buy a Notebook with this card too (perhaps). In the "Mobility Mod Tool" Readme is only the FireGL V5100 but not the V5200. Does it support the v5200 even though? And on the Omega Drivers Page is written that it support EVERY Ati Card so the V5200 should be supported too.. And yes, does anybody know how bad the FireGL Cards Drivers are, if you want to play Games with them? Cheers, Schwarzer Riese

May 22, 2006, 06:01 PM	#3
codeyf DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	I too am curious if/when compatibility with the V5200 will be added. The tool worked like a charm with our IBM T42P laptops, with the FireGL T2, in fixing a problem with SketchUp. Now we're running in to the same problem with the T60P laptops

Jul 21, 2006, 04:51 AM	#5
HockeyZ39 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	I just purchased a T60p with the v5200 and I would also like to know if the mobility mod tool works or will be working with this card. I currently have the omega drivers installed, and would like to know if installing desktop drivers from a more gaming gear card yield more performance than the omega drivers??? I have not had any issues with this card running the omega drivers, It is not as good as I would have expected (when benchmarking) but it can run WoW at all the highest settings.

Apr 30, 2007, 03:30 PM	#6
Splaktar DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	I've got a new Thinkpad T60p and it crashes every 5 minutes while playing WoW. Did you guys ever figure out how to get it running correctly and which drivers were the best? I've currently got the 4/5/2007 driver from Windows Update. I'm not sure if going back to one of the old 2005 drivers would help at all.

Apr 30, 2007, 07:50 PM	#9
Splaktar DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Omega drivers didn't work either. I was in WoW for about 6 minutes this time before my machine hung.

May 6, 2007, 07:21 PM	#10
Splaktar DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	I tried to use the mod tool with the FireGL drivers (http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/xp/fireglv-xp.html). There's no errors when it runs, but when I try to install them, it says that it can't find a valid video card on my system for those drivers. So here's my results so far: Lenovo Catalyst 5.12/5.13/6.1 based 12/20/2005 - 8.204.0.0 - Bench: 1508 Ran WoW for an hour. No unsupported errors in event log. Lenovo Catalyst Unknown 9/13/06 - Direct3D 6.14.10.0431 - 8.293.1.0 - Bench: 1591 Played WoW for 2 hours in old world and EotS just fine, crash every few minutes in Shadowmoon Valley though. No unsupported errors in event log. Omega Drivers Catalyst 7.1 based 12/16/06 - 8.33.0.0 - 6.14.10.6660 - Bench: 1608 Crashes frequently in WoW. Unsupported errors in event log. ATI Catalyst Mobile 7.4 3/14/07 - 8.360.0.0 - 6.14.10.6683 - Bench: 1612, 1609 Crash after a few minutes in Org. Unsupported errors in event log. ATI Catalyst Modded 7.4 3/14/07 - 8.360.0.0 - 6.14.10.6683 - Bench: 1614 Crash after a few minutes in Org. Unsupported errors in event log. ATI/AMD FireGL Drivers - Won't install, mod tool doesn't support, drivers not made for mobility.

May 6, 2007, 07:42 PM	#12
Splaktar DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, I was using the XP tool and not the Vista tool.

May 15, 2007, 11:59 PM	#14
nrgetik DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Any updates on this...? I can't even get omega drivers to work with my 5250...

May 16, 2007, 01:01 AM	#15
Splaktar DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	The latest and best performning drivers that I found were actually from the Windows Update site. They are Lenovo drivers, but I wasn't able to get them from the Lenovo website (maybe it's been updated now). As for my lock up problem, it's covered in detail here, http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic...afbf2e4d29cc6f My new RAM to replace the defective parts is in the mail atm.

May 16, 2007, 05:32 PM	#16
nrgetik DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Well, I'm not crashing at any time other than when I try to play City of Heroes, and the latest driver from windows update sort of makes it even worse. I haven't even been able to get the omegadrivers to work, can you help with this? Which ones do I get? Do I have to choose a soft mod option?

May 16, 2007, 11:08 PM	#17
halcyonwind DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	So will there ever be a mod tool for FireGL? It seems like a lot of people have this problem.

May 25, 2007, 12:46 PM	#18
AngryDutchman DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	I'd like to see someone reverse engineer the FireGL X5200 card to a X1600. So far, where ever i've looked, i've only found softmods for X1600 to GL V5200. -Vinnie Nguyen Last edited by AngryDutchman; May 25, 2007 at 01:18 PM. Reason: x1600, not x1600xt

May 25, 2007, 04:01 PM	#19
Spike Driver Cleaner Maker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Netherlands Posts: 2,088 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	I am working on adding support to mod XP drivers to my Mobility Modder.NET and that should support the firegl cards. __________________

May 26, 2007, 06:06 PM	#20
hacktrix2006 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	Hi spike how are you? Any luck yet with M6 & M7 support???

May 26, 2007, 07:37 PM	#21
Spike Driver Cleaner Maker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Netherlands Posts: 2,088 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Now i think i have the support for XP, but vista is different, looks like the vista drivers don't support the cards, but i have to look deeper into that. __________________

May 27, 2007, 07:38 PM	#23
Spike Driver Cleaner Maker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Netherlands Posts: 2,088 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	mr_pi can you send me an email at info@drivercleaner.net and then i can send you a new beta to test if the xp support works. If it works i can release the new beta. __________________ Last edited by Spike; May 27, 2007 at 07:47 PM.

Jun 2, 2007, 11:59 AM	#24
kallell DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	ya, i would really like to see support for the firegl v5200 as well. Playing wow and crashing every 5 minutes is just killing me.

Jun 8, 2007, 02:43 PM	#25
nedski DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Looking forward to this support when it's done too

Jun 8, 2007, 04:25 PM	#26
Spike Driver Cleaner Maker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Netherlands Posts: 2,088 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Check out the Mobility Modder.NET 0.8.0.0 that have now XP support and support for those FireGL cards. http://www.hardwareheaven.com/modtool __________________

Jun 8, 2007, 05:51 PM	#27
nedski DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the heads up, but I have a question about this new version - when I used the old driver modder it would make the system recognise my v5200 as a Radeon X1600, but this modder doesn't do that - it is installed as a v5200. Does that impact the performance of using the modded driver at all? Does it disable any chipset features that would be used under X1600? Thanks for any answers you can give. N.

Jun 8, 2007, 09:06 PM	#28
Spike Driver Cleaner Maker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Netherlands Posts: 2,088 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Hi, i don't know if it has an impact on your performance. But if this VEN_1002&DEV_71C5&SUBSYS_30B4103C is the id of your card then it uses the exact same settings as the X1600. If this is your cards id VEN_1002&DEV_71C4 then it uses GL settings, but you can change that by modifying the following in a modded file: "ATI MOBILITY FireGL V5200" = ati2mtag_M56GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_71C4 Change that into "ATI MOBILITY FireGL V5200" = ati2mtag_M56, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_71C4 Then it uses the X1600 settings. __________________

Jun 9, 2007, 02:57 AM	#29
nedski DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Great! Thanks very much for the info! Cheers, N.