DriverHeaven TuneXP Final Release

Danhill · Apr 10, 2004, 02:26 PM

I now running every tweak from the very excellent program you have made. I was also trying the "system file checker" and then it says that I should insert the "Windows XP pro server disc because files is needed for windows to operate correct and copy them to cache.mem for dll files" I'am runnig XP home and don't have the win xp pro server disc, so I aborted the process.

Do you now if it's something wrong with my current win install (I did a fresh install about 2 days ago)

BWX · Apr 10, 2004, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Danhill
I now running every tweak from the very excellent program you have made. I was also trying the "system file checker" and then it says that I should insert the "Windows XP pro server disc because files is needed for windows to operate correct and copy them to cache.mem for dll files" I'am runnig XP home and don't have the win xp pro server disc, so I aborted the process.

Do you now if it's something wrong with my current win install (I did a fresh install about 2 days ago)

I wouldnt' worry about it- I have hosed systems in the past experimenting with System file checker. I've learned to ignore it.

lucytoo · Apr 10, 2004, 11:26 PM

Well, I liked it!

It worked for me.

I'm sorry that a few are having problems...

All I can say is...

Thanks D-Force!

Judas · Apr 11, 2004, 12:08 AM

OK.... the beta version didn't really do much for me... but that's more SP2 Beta related most likely..... currently on a fresh isntall of RC1 ..... and RC1 alone loads alot faster... but i just turned EVERYTHING on in tweakXP ...and now my boot times are seriously 5-10 seconds..... down from before..... also..... i see zero hardrive activity majority of the time to.... super slick!.... GREAD job D-Force.. first to i've EVER used a program like this an actually seen something happen...

BTW.... those having troubles..... don't reboot... let your computer sit a good 5 minutes after everything looks like it's finished... also.. i've encounter numerous times that i ran the program.. that when it loads a window... it shows up BEHIND the tweakXP windows.... making it look like nothing is happening... also.. noticed that sometimes it take a good 10 seconds for something to happen ... make sure you are patient....

Vyrticl · Apr 11, 2004, 10:12 AM

First off I'd like to say nice tweaker you got here. There's a lot of usefull tweaks. However I did notice a few problems.

1. "Accelerate DLL unloading" - this is a very good tweak, especially for computers that don't have a lot of RAM. However your program adds a DWORD registry value named "AlwaysUnloadDLL" in the registry located at [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\AlwaysUnloadDLL]. However you don't need the DWORD value, all you need is just the "AlwaysUnloadDLL" key. Although the DWORD value won't hurt anything, it's just not needed. Support for this claim found here.

2. "File allocation size tweak" - this tweak was a very good tweak for Windows 9x if set correctly. This value was also different for each system, there's no set optimized value. More importantly I don't even think this tweak works in Windows XP/2000/NT. My reason for this? The only results found on the microsoft support and technet sites are for Windows 9x. Even if this tweak does work in Windows XP, setting it to 512 will do pretty much nothing because the default value is 500.

3. "Optimize prefetch" - The default value for this registry setting is 3, your program sets it to 5. 5 isn't even a valid value for this setting. Setting this value to 5 will either make Windows default back to 3 or disable prefetching. Support for this claim found here.

4. "IO Page Lock Limit" - this was a very good tweak for Windows 2000/NT, however from test I've run Windows XP doesn't benefit in any way from changing this setting from it's default value. In fact some tests shows that it may decrease performance. Unfortunately I have no support for this claim, just my own personal tests.

5. "Speed-up Windows IRQ handling" - refer to the "IO Page Lock Limit" rant above.

Besides that, the program looks good.

Danhill · Apr 11, 2004, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BWX232
I wouldnt' worry about it- I have hosed systems in the past experimenting with System file checker. I've learned to ignore it.

Okey, thanks BWX232.

Dawnrazor · Apr 12, 2004, 03:47 AM

Great tool.

I saw a noticeable improvement in my system's speed after using some of it's tweaks

crlorentzen · Apr 12, 2004, 04:16 AM

Does anyone know what the setting of 5 on EnablePrefetcher is supposed to do? I know many other tweaking programs/sites recommend this...but they cannot tell me why.

Vyrticl · Apr 12, 2004, 04:49 AM

they can't tell you what 5 does because 5 is not a valid value. This "tweak" was posted somewhere and people just kept spreading the word about it. Soon everyone was telling people to do it and they can't tell you what it does because nobody knows for sure. Personally I just think Windows doesn't know what to do with the value of 5 so it either defaults back to 3 or disables prefetching. The only valid values are

0 - disable prefetching
1 - application launch prefetching
2 - boot prefetching
3 - application launch prefetching & boot prefetching (default)

Go here for more information.

This and other things are discussed in my post 3 posts up.

crlorentzen · Apr 12, 2004, 07:34 AM

yeah I I knew the allowed values...I just wanted to see if anyone had any clue if 5 was undocument and had a real purpose.

btw: dropping back to 1(App Launching) may be what happens... since these are hex values, and microsoft says that the values are anded to figure out what to do.

1 = 001
2 = 010
3 = 011

5 = 101

therefore in the end this may slow down booting. Just some thoughts I had.

d-force · Apr 12, 2004, 09:03 AM

While your points seem to be valid, we have tested the tweak program over and over again, with varying values of the Optimize Prefetch, and each time, we've come to the conclusion that the value of "5" is faster than a value of "3" in general Windows usage.

PangingJr · Apr 12, 2004, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vyrticl
1. "Accelerate DLL unloading" - this is a very good tweak, especially for computers that don't have a lot of RAM. However your program adds a DWORD registry value named "AlwaysUnloadDLL" in the registry located at [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\AlwaysUnloadDLL]. However you don't need the DWORD value, all you need is just the "AlwaysUnloadDLL" key. Although the DWORD value won't hurt anything, it's just not needed. Support for this claim found here.

my 'believed' that the Windows Registry (the sub-key and the dword value) that relates to the unloading the DLL would be as follow..

for operating systems prior to Windows 2000..

Code:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\AlwaysUnloadDLL]

for Windows XP..

Code:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
"AlwaysUnloadDLL"=dword:00000001

PangingJr · Apr 12, 2004, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crlorentzen
yeah I I knew the allowed values...I just wanted to see if anyone had any clue if 5 was undocument and had a real purpose.

bte: dropping back to 1(App Launching) may be what happens...

me and my friends have tried the value "5" years ago and have found that it didnt help speedup our boot times at all when modifying the registry alone.. until now we still can't find any more info, but i saw many ppls and web sites and twekers out there do recommend this registry value to be used.., there're many that said the value 5 will help speedup your computers boot time, i also read a few in the past that said they've prob with their computer when changing to this registry value as well..

as of now i have no idea.. why/how the registry value helps on some system.. nor if its actually do help..
when modifying the registry alone..

as for whether or not it'll fall into one of the prefetching types when using the value,
i did test it and i'd say that the registry value 5 is only activate the application (.exe) only prefetching type.,
but i could be wrong...

since this's only done on my end so i'd say you'll have to try/test it and see for yourself if you really want to know...

Vyrticl · Apr 12, 2004, 06:30 PM

panging, I've done some tests with this and you don't need the AlwaysUnloadDLL DWORD value, it works the same without it. However like I said even if you do have the DWORD value it won't cause any problems so whether or not you have it it will work just the same. It's just something I thought I'd mention.

Also d-force, I would really like to see the results of the tests that were run. I know it may not be the same for all systems, but from my tests there were no performance increases from the points I talked about. I'm hoping the tests aren't just a "oh it seems to be faster" type of thing. I would like some hard numbers like time it takes to copy files, load programs, unzip archives, etc.

Zardon · Apr 12, 2004, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vyrticl
I'm hoping the tests aren't just a "oh it seems to be faster" type of thing. I would like some hard numbers like time it takes to copy files, load programs, unzip archives, etc.

the program was tested by myself and quite a few beta testers and figures were compared over various systems. I can appreciate your concerns and comments but im not quite sure I like your "attitude". this is a free app, done in dforces free time, if he wants to share information like this he will - I dont see the need to post an indepth set of timings because you apparently dont believe him. we found the settings he mentioned faster, it wasnt just made up. if you dont like the way its set then offer suggestions for future apps such as asking dforce to offer user selectable options with various sections of the app.

zerodamage · Apr 12, 2004, 07:19 PM

I have a suggestion for you d-force. Incorporate the Service settings found on www.blackviper.com such as "gamer" or "safe". That would be excellent and would really raise some eyebrows. Just make sure Viper doesn't have a problem with it.

Vyrticl · Apr 12, 2004, 08:00 PM

Zardon, I'm sorry if my additude came off rude that's not how I meant it to come off as. I just don't want to be putting tweaks on my computer that don't do what they're supposed to. So many tweak programs, sites, and guides just name off a bunch of tweaks they've seen posted on the internet and say they increase performance. I just want to make sure the tweaks in this program have actually been properly tested to make sure they do what they're supposed to do and showing test results is the best way to do this.

***Veridian3*** · Apr 12, 2004, 08:06 PM

http://www.tweakhound.com/reviews/tunexp/index.htm

Zardon · Apr 12, 2004, 08:08 PM

yes running test results is a good way to show how tweaks are working, so let me suggest you run the tests on your own system and then we can hopefully start a snowball effect and get others doing the same. the more input we have from you guys the better.

gasto · Apr 12, 2004, 08:13 PM

OMG

...I just tried the app and it´s so great!!!!! thnk d-force....I now boot after 1 1/2 bars in the windows xp loading screen, and compared to the 8 bars I had to wait before, this is serious speed!!!!!!!!!

tnx again

studbagel9 · Apr 12, 2004, 11:02 PM

I just wanted to say thanks to d-force for really standing behind his product like every other developer of third party software here on this site. It's really great to see people who care about the community, and who are from the community, doing something to help the community ;p

Vyrticl · Apr 13, 2004, 06:00 AM

Ask and ye shall recieve. I finished up the tests on some of the settings in TuneXP. Here's my results, the end of this post has a conclusion. Also if you have any tests you want me to try out tell me and I'll try and test them out asap.

---SETUP 1---
File allocation size tweak = Disabled
Optimize prefetch = Disabled
IO Page Lock Limit = 64 MB RAM or below (default)
Speed-up Windows IRQ handling = Disabled
-------------
RAR Speed (164 MB) = 2:05
UnRAR Speed (565 MB) = 1:47
Copy Speed (504 MB) = 1:05
Bootup Speed = 16.36, 16.43, 16.52

---SETUP 2---
File allocation size tweak = Enabled
Optimize prefetch = Disabled
IO Page Lock Limit = 64 MB RAM or below (default)
Speed-up Windows IRQ handling = Disabled
-------------
RAR Speed (164 MB) = 2:04
UnRAR Speed (565 MB) = 1:47
Copy Speed (504 MB) = 1:04
Bootup Speed = 16.45, 16.43, 16.42

---SETUP 3---
File allocation size tweak = Disabled
Optimize prefetch = Enabled
IO Page Lock Limit = 64 MB RAM or below (default)
Speed-up Windows IRQ handling = Disabled
-------------
RAR Speed (164 MB) = 2:05
UnRAR Speed (565 MB) = 1:48
Copy Speed (504 MB) = 1:05
Bootup Speed = 23.74, 20.55, 19.89

---SETUP 4---
File allocation size tweak = Disabled
Optimize prefetch = Disabled
IO Page Lock Limit = 512 MB RAM or above
Speed-up Windows IRQ handling = Disabled
-------------
RAR Speed (164 MB) = 2:05
UnRAR Speed (565 MB) = 1:49
Copy Speed (504 MB) = 1:03
Bootup Speed = 16.35, 16.74, 16.25

---SETUP 5---
File allocation size tweak = Disabled
Optimize prefetch = Disabled
IO Page Lock Limit = 64 MB RAM or below (default)
Speed-up Windows IRQ handling = Enabled
-------------
RAR Speed (164 MB) = 2:05
UnRAR Speed (565 MB) = 1:48
Copy Speed (504 MB) = 1:07
Bootup Speed = 16.23, 16.56, 16.49

---SETUP 6---
File allocation size tweak = Enabled
Optimize prefetch = Disabled
IO Page Lock Limit = 512 MB RAM or above
Speed-up Windows IRQ handling = Enabled
-------------
RAR Speed (164 MB) = 2:05
UnRAR Speed (565 MB) = 1:48
Copy Speed (504 MB) = 1:04
Bootup Speed = 16.43, 16.54, 16.38

---SETUP 7---
File allocation size tweak = Enabled
Optimize prefetch = Enabled
IO Page Lock Limit = 512 MB RAM or above
Speed-up Windows IRQ handling = Enabled
-------------
RAR Speed (164 MB) = 2:05
UnRAR Speed (565 MB) = 1:48
Copy Speed (504 MB) = 1:06
Bootup Speed = 20.16, 19.80, 20.01

---CONCLUSION---
Every tweak, save 1, pretty much had the same performance in all areas. The boot-up times only differentiated by a few ms. The RAR, UnRAR, and Copy speeds only differentiated by 1-2 seconds. These differentiations were most likely just caused by random chance.

However there was one tweak that had a major impact on boot-up speed. the "Optimize prefetch" tweak actually increaded boot times by 3-6 seconds. Due to those increases I really can't recommend this tweak. If someone else could test this out and see if they get the same results that would be great.

As for the other tweaks tested here, my tests have shown they really don't change performance for good or for bad. Again if someone else can run a test like the one I've run here to see what results they get that would be great. Until someone can post some tests proving otherwise, it's really up to you if you want to apply the tweaks or not however just be aware your performance will most likely not change. However I must recommend against applying the "Optimize prefetch" tweak for it increases boot-up performance drastically.

d-force · Apr 13, 2004, 07:09 AM

There is a reason for everything.

The reason why the RAR speed doesn't change much, is simply because the fact it utilizes raw CPU, which isn't affected by any of the tweaks.

I can't understand why you get such boot speeds, because TweakHound tested the application and found that even on a highly optimized system, the bootup speed can increase.

It looks a bit to me as if you've just typed random numbers, but i'll of course add your results to a test database, that, if other users want to do the same as you, will be published before or at the same time as the next TuneXP.

Judas · Apr 13, 2004, 07:16 AM

i tweaked the crap outa my machine.. ran tweakxp (very caustiously as i don't use system restore and i didn't want to do a 4 hours reinstall).... i seriously nailed down my bootime.. and the order it booted was much different... my keyboard is the first to flash now.... and the bar gets about 1/5th of the way across and suddenly i'm greeted with a mouse pointer... and Welcome screen.....

Vyrticl · Apr 13, 2004, 08:15 AM

d-force, Tweakhound said the "Ultra-fast booting" tweak, which I did not use in any of my tests, in your program gave him the increased boot-up time, not the other tweaks. Also near the end of Tweakhound's article he mentions tweaks he has a problem with, included there is the "Optimize prefetch" tweak. So the reason Tweakhound said his bootup speeds increased was because he didn't use the "Optimize prefetch" tweak. (You can also look at the screenshot in the article and see that he's not using the "Optimize prefetch" tweak.)

If other people wouldn't mind testing the "Optimize prefetch" tweak that would be great. Here's 6 easy steps to do this...

1. Download Bootvis.
2. Enable "Optimize prefetch" via TuneXP.
3. Run Bootvis and select Trace > Next Boot + Driver Delays > click "OK" on the box that pops up.
4. When computer starts back up wait for Bootvis to show up (may take awhile).
5. Hover your mouse over the "explorer.exe" bar in the bottom section and note the time it says.
6. Repeat steps 1-6 with the "Optimize prefetch" disabled.

Also, if you want to have me do more tests, tell me what to try and I'll try it. I mean if these tweaks do improve performance in a certain area I want them on my computer. However if they don't increase performance there's no need to change values that don't need changing.

>>EDIT>>

As for the RARing tests, yes that is based mainly on CPU. However it still must read/write from the HD and that was there to test the tweaks dealing with input/output.

As for typing random numbers into my tests, I assure you I'm not. If you don't trust these numbers, then don't it's up to you. I can assure you that many hours went into testing this.

I don't want to start this into a flame war or anything, but that last part about random numbers really got to me. Maybe if you would've read Tweakhound's article a little closer and noticed the tweaks he had problems with you would've noticed he didn't use the "Optimize prefetcher" tweak. So thus that's why his boot times didn't increase like I show here.

Vyrticl · Apr 13, 2004, 08:38 AM

Hey also I noticed some bugs while I was doing my tests...

1. when uninstalling the uninstaller leaves behind the TuneXP start menu item with the documentation link in it.

2. also when uninstalling the uninstaller leaves behind the TuneXP folder in Program Files.

3. If you disable the "Speed-up Windows IRQ handling" after it being disabled it sets the DWORD value "Irq8Priority" to 0 when it should just delete it. Also your program gets kind of confused as well, in the "Speed-up Windows IRQ handling" menu it doesn't show it as being disabled after you disable it from being enabled. It does however show it as being disabled when I manually delete the DWORD value.

Zardon · Apr 13, 2004, 10:20 AM

Vyrticl I think you have made your points quite proficiently and they have been noted - perhaps if you had chosen to be a little less patronizing in your posting on the last page dforce might have replied in the same manner, anyway this is irrelevant now, your points have been made, now lets hear from other people. thanks.

PangingJr · Apr 13, 2004, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vyrticl
panging, I've done some tests with this and you don't need the AlwaysUnloadDLL DWORD value, it works the same without it. However like I said even if you do have the DWORD value it won't cause any problems so whether or not you have it it will work just the same. It's just something I thought I'd mention.

okay now pls test this if you will..
you see i don't know how you can test this..
but you've tested it before with the registry "sub-key",
how about testing with removing the sub-kay then add DWORD value
and see if you still have same results..

if you still have the "AlwaysUnloadDLL" registry 'sub-key' on your registry..
manully remove it, i'm sure you know where's the location of it..
it's located under the Explorer (on left pane of the Registry Editor)
its not there by default..

you can also creat a .Reg file from this info, then import it into your registry to delete the sub-kay

Code:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\AlwaysUnloadDLL]

and then create a new DWORD vaule..
R-click in the right pane and select New, DWORD value.
then name it AlwaysUnloadDll. D-click the new value you just created and set it to 1.

-or-
you can also creat a .Reg file from this info, then import it into your registry to add the DWORD vaule..

Code:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
"AlwaysUnloadDLL"=dword:00000001

then Reboot...
and do the tersting as you mentioned..

note-- the Reg info is no good when Cutting/Pasting on/off this page but i'm sure you know how to adjust it..
or just edit the registry by hand..

EDIT-- AlwaysUnloadDll -->AlwaysUnloadDLL

Vyrticl · Apr 13, 2004, 10:57 AM

panging, alright no problem, I'll do some testing on it and report back when I come to a conclusion.

dteah · Apr 13, 2004, 04:53 PM

Is there any way to undo the ultra fast booting/rearrange boot files after running this option? If you try it before you reboot?

Apr 10, 2004, 02:26 PM	#61
Danhill DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,112 Rep Power: 0	I now running every tweak from the very excellent program you have made. I was also trying the "system file checker" and then it says that I should insert the "Windows XP pro server disc because files is needed for windows to operate correct and copy them to cache.mem for dll files" I'am runnig XP home and don't have the win xp pro server disc, so I aborted the process. Do you now if it's something wrong with my current win install (I did a fresh install about 2 days ago) __________________ MOBO: [color=white]ASUS A8N-SLI Premium[/color] CPU: AMD 64 3200+ (Venice) @ 2,50 Ghz MEM: 2 x 512 DDR 466, VGA: 2 x 6600 GT in SLI, HDD1: WD Raptor HDD2: Maxtor Diamond Plus 9, Case: Antec Plus View 1080, PSU: ThermalTake PurePower 500W, MX 1000, Dell 2001 FP, Aud. 2 SZ

Apr 11, 2004, 10:12 AM	#65
Vyrticl DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	First off I'd like to say nice tweaker you got here. There's a lot of usefull tweaks. However I did notice a few problems. 1. "Accelerate DLL unloading" - this is a very good tweak, especially for computers that don't have a lot of RAM. However your program adds a DWORD registry value named "AlwaysUnloadDLL" in the registry located at [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\AlwaysUnloadDLL]. However you don't need the DWORD value, all you need is just the "AlwaysUnloadDLL" key. Although the DWORD value won't hurt anything, it's just not needed. Support for this claim found here. 2. "File allocation size tweak" - this tweak was a very good tweak for Windows 9x if set correctly. This value was also different for each system, there's no set optimized value. More importantly I don't even think this tweak works in Windows XP/2000/NT. My reason for this? The only results found on the microsoft support and technet sites are for Windows 9x. Even if this tweak does work in Windows XP, setting it to 512 will do pretty much nothing because the default value is 500. 3. "Optimize prefetch" - The default value for this registry setting is 3, your program sets it to 5. 5 isn't even a valid value for this setting. Setting this value to 5 will either make Windows default back to 3 or disable prefetching. Support for this claim found here. 4. "IO Page Lock Limit" - this was a very good tweak for Windows 2000/NT, however from test I've run Windows XP doesn't benefit in any way from changing this setting from it's default value. In fact some tests shows that it may decrease performance. Unfortunately I have no support for this claim, just my own personal tests. 5. "Speed-up Windows IRQ handling" - refer to the "IO Page Lock Limit" rant above. Besides that, the program looks good. __________________ The Whistling Cricket Tweaking Restaurant If it ain't broke, tweak it! Last edited by Vyrticl; Apr 12, 2004 at 04:54 AM.

Apr 12, 2004, 03:47 AM	#67
Dawnrazor DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 100 Rep Power: 0	Great tool. I saw a noticeable improvement in my system's speed after using some of it's tweaks __________________ I am the way to the city of woe I am the way to the forsaken people I am the way to eternal sorrow Come...Walk with me

Apr 12, 2004, 04:16 AM	#68
crlorentzen DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 1,201 Rep Power: 0	Does anyone know what the setting of 5 on EnablePrefetcher is supposed to do? I know many other tweaking programs/sites recommend this...but they cannot tell me why. __________________

Apr 12, 2004, 04:49 AM	#69
Vyrticl DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	they can't tell you what 5 does because 5 is not a valid value. This "tweak" was posted somewhere and people just kept spreading the word about it. Soon everyone was telling people to do it and they can't tell you what it does because nobody knows for sure. Personally I just think Windows doesn't know what to do with the value of 5 so it either defaults back to 3 or disables prefetching. The only valid values are 0 - disable prefetching 1 - application launch prefetching 2 - boot prefetching 3 - application launch prefetching & boot prefetching (default) Go here for more information. This and other things are discussed in my post 3 posts up. __________________ The Whistling Cricket Tweaking Restaurant If it ain't broke, tweak it!

Apr 10, 2004, 11:26 PM	#63
lucytoo Aged DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Well, I liked it! It worked for me. I'm sorry that a few are having problems... All I can say is... Thanks D-Force!

Apr 12, 2004, 07:34 AM	#70
crlorentzen DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 1,201 Rep Power: 0	yeah I I knew the allowed values...I just wanted to see if anyone had any clue if 5 was undocument and had a real purpose. btw: dropping back to 1(App Launching) may be what happens... since these are hex values, and microsoft says that the values are anded to figure out what to do. 1 = 001 2 = 010 3 = 011 5 = 101 therefore in the end this may slow down booting. Just some thoughts I had. __________________ Last edited by crlorentzen; Apr 12, 2004 at 03:56 PM.

Apr 12, 2004, 09:03 AM	Thread Starter #71
d-force Tune... what? Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 79 Rep Power: 0	While your points seem to be valid, we have tested the tweak program over and over again, with varying values of the Optimize Prefetch, and each time, we've come to the conclusion that the value of "5" is faster than a value of "3" in general Windows usage. __________________

Apr 12, 2004, 06:30 PM	#74
Vyrticl DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	panging, I've done some tests with this and you don't need the AlwaysUnloadDLL DWORD value, it works the same without it. However like I said even if you do have the DWORD value it won't cause any problems so whether or not you have it it will work just the same. It's just something I thought I'd mention. Also d-force, I would really like to see the results of the tests that were run. I know it may not be the same for all systems, but from my tests there were no performance increases from the points I talked about. I'm hoping the tests aren't just a "oh it seems to be faster" type of thing. I would like some hard numbers like time it takes to copy files, load programs, unzip archives, etc. __________________ The Whistling Cricket Tweaking Restaurant If it ain't broke, tweak it!

Apr 12, 2004, 07:19 PM	#76
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I have a suggestion for you d-force. Incorporate the Service settings found on www.blackviper.com such as "gamer" or "safe". That would be excellent and would really raise some eyebrows. Just make sure Viper doesn't have a problem with it.

Apr 12, 2004, 08:00 PM	#77
Vyrticl DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	Zardon, I'm sorry if my additude came off rude that's not how I meant it to come off as. I just don't want to be putting tweaks on my computer that don't do what they're supposed to. So many tweak programs, sites, and guides just name off a bunch of tweaks they've seen posted on the internet and say they increase performance. I just want to make sure the tweaks in this program have actually been properly tested to make sure they do what they're supposed to do and showing test results is the best way to do this. __________________ The Whistling Cricket Tweaking Restaurant If it ain't broke, tweak it!

Apr 12, 2004, 08:06 PM	#78
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 4,829 Rep Power: 174	http://www.tweakhound.com/reviews/tunexp/index.htm

Apr 12, 2004, 08:08 PM	#79
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 177	yes running test results is a good way to show how tweaks are working, so let me suggest you run the tests on your own system and then we can hopefully start a snowball effect and get others doing the same. the more input we have from you guys the better.

Apr 12, 2004, 08:13 PM	#80
gasto DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	OMG ...I just tried the app and it´s so great!!!!! thnk d-force....I now boot after 1 1/2 bars in the windows xp loading screen, and compared to the 8 bars I had to wait before, this is serious speed!!!!!!!!! tnx again

Apr 12, 2004, 11:02 PM	#81
studbagel9 Rolling the Hard Six Join Date: May 2003 Location: Lock Haven, PA Posts: 767 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I just wanted to say thanks to d-force for really standing behind his product like every other developer of third party software here on this site. It's really great to see people who care about the community, and who are from the community, doing something to help the community ;p __________________

Apr 13, 2004, 06:00 AM	#82
Vyrticl DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	Ask and ye shall recieve. I finished up the tests on some of the settings in TuneXP. Here's my results, the end of this post has a conclusion. Also if you have any tests you want me to try out tell me and I'll try and test them out asap. ---SETUP 1--- File allocation size tweak = Disabled Optimize prefetch = Disabled IO Page Lock Limit = 64 MB RAM or below (default) Speed-up Windows IRQ handling = Disabled ------------- RAR Speed (164 MB) = 2:05 UnRAR Speed (565 MB) = 1:47 Copy Speed (504 MB) = 1:05 Bootup Speed = 16.36, 16.43, 16.52 ---SETUP 2--- File allocation size tweak = Enabled Optimize prefetch = Disabled IO Page Lock Limit = 64 MB RAM or below (default) Speed-up Windows IRQ handling = Disabled ------------- RAR Speed (164 MB) = 2:04 UnRAR Speed (565 MB) = 1:47 Copy Speed (504 MB) = 1:04 Bootup Speed = 16.45, 16.43, 16.42 ---SETUP 3--- File allocation size tweak = Disabled Optimize prefetch = Enabled IO Page Lock Limit = 64 MB RAM or below (default) Speed-up Windows IRQ handling = Disabled ------------- RAR Speed (164 MB) = 2:05 UnRAR Speed (565 MB) = 1:48 Copy Speed (504 MB) = 1:05 Bootup Speed = 23.74, 20.55, 19.89 ---SETUP 4--- File allocation size tweak = Disabled Optimize prefetch = Disabled IO Page Lock Limit = 512 MB RAM or above Speed-up Windows IRQ handling = Disabled ------------- RAR Speed (164 MB) = 2:05 UnRAR Speed (565 MB) = 1:49 Copy Speed (504 MB) = 1:03 Bootup Speed = 16.35, 16.74, 16.25 ---SETUP 5--- File allocation size tweak = Disabled Optimize prefetch = Disabled IO Page Lock Limit = 64 MB RAM or below (default) Speed-up Windows IRQ handling = Enabled ------------- RAR Speed (164 MB) = 2:05 UnRAR Speed (565 MB) = 1:48 Copy Speed (504 MB) = 1:07 Bootup Speed = 16.23, 16.56, 16.49 ---SETUP 6--- File allocation size tweak = Enabled Optimize prefetch = Disabled IO Page Lock Limit = 512 MB RAM or above Speed-up Windows IRQ handling = Enabled ------------- RAR Speed (164 MB) = 2:05 UnRAR Speed (565 MB) = 1:48 Copy Speed (504 MB) = 1:04 Bootup Speed = 16.43, 16.54, 16.38 ---SETUP 7--- File allocation size tweak = Enabled Optimize prefetch = Enabled IO Page Lock Limit = 512 MB RAM or above Speed-up Windows IRQ handling = Enabled ------------- RAR Speed (164 MB) = 2:05 UnRAR Speed (565 MB) = 1:48 Copy Speed (504 MB) = 1:06 Bootup Speed = 20.16, 19.80, 20.01 ---CONCLUSION--- Every tweak, save 1, pretty much had the same performance in all areas. The boot-up times only differentiated by a few ms. The RAR, UnRAR, and Copy speeds only differentiated by 1-2 seconds. These differentiations were most likely just caused by random chance. However there was one tweak that had a major impact on boot-up speed. the "Optimize prefetch" tweak actually increaded boot times by 3-6 seconds. Due to those increases I really can't recommend this tweak. If someone else could test this out and see if they get the same results that would be great. As for the other tweaks tested here, my tests have shown they really don't change performance for good or for bad. Again if someone else can run a test like the one I've run here to see what results they get that would be great. Until someone can post some tests proving otherwise, it's really up to you if you want to apply the tweaks or not however just be aware your performance will most likely not change. However I must recommend against applying the "Optimize prefetch" tweak for it increases boot-up performance drastically. __________________ The Whistling Cricket Tweaking Restaurant If it ain't broke, tweak it! Last edited by Vyrticl; Apr 13, 2004 at 06:07 AM.

Apr 13, 2004, 07:09 AM	Thread Starter #83
d-force Tune... what? Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 79 Rep Power: 0	There is a reason for everything. The reason why the RAR speed doesn't change much, is simply because the fact it utilizes raw CPU, which isn't affected by any of the tweaks. I can't understand why you get such boot speeds, because TweakHound tested the application and found that even on a highly optimized system, the bootup speed can increase. It looks a bit to me as if you've just typed random numbers, but i'll of course add your results to a test database, that, if other users want to do the same as you, will be published before or at the same time as the next TuneXP. __________________

Apr 13, 2004, 08:15 AM	#85
Vyrticl DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	d-force, Tweakhound said the "Ultra-fast booting" tweak, which I did not use in any of my tests, in your program gave him the increased boot-up time, not the other tweaks. Also near the end of Tweakhound's article he mentions tweaks he has a problem with, included there is the "Optimize prefetch" tweak. So the reason Tweakhound said his bootup speeds increased was because he didn't use the "Optimize prefetch" tweak. (You can also look at the screenshot in the article and see that he's not using the "Optimize prefetch" tweak.) If other people wouldn't mind testing the "Optimize prefetch" tweak that would be great. Here's 6 easy steps to do this... 1. Download Bootvis. 2. Enable "Optimize prefetch" via TuneXP. 3. Run Bootvis and select Trace > Next Boot + Driver Delays > click "OK" on the box that pops up. 4. When computer starts back up wait for Bootvis to show up (may take awhile). 5. Hover your mouse over the "explorer.exe" bar in the bottom section and note the time it says. 6. Repeat steps 1-6 with the "Optimize prefetch" disabled. Also, if you want to have me do more tests, tell me what to try and I'll try it. I mean if these tweaks do improve performance in a certain area I want them on my computer. However if they don't increase performance there's no need to change values that don't need changing. >>EDIT>> As for the RARing tests, yes that is based mainly on CPU. However it still must read/write from the HD and that was there to test the tweaks dealing with input/output. As for typing random numbers into my tests, I assure you I'm not. If you don't trust these numbers, then don't it's up to you. I can assure you that many hours went into testing this. I don't want to start this into a flame war or anything, but that last part about random numbers really got to me. Maybe if you would've read Tweakhound's article a little closer and noticed the tweaks he had problems with you would've noticed he didn't use the "Optimize prefetcher" tweak. So thus that's why his boot times didn't increase like I show here. __________________ The Whistling Cricket Tweaking Restaurant If it ain't broke, tweak it! Last edited by Vyrticl; Apr 13, 2004 at 08:46 AM.

Apr 13, 2004, 08:38 AM	#86
Vyrticl DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	Hey also I noticed some bugs while I was doing my tests... 1. when uninstalling the uninstaller leaves behind the TuneXP start menu item with the documentation link in it. 2. also when uninstalling the uninstaller leaves behind the TuneXP folder in Program Files. 3. If you disable the "Speed-up Windows IRQ handling" after it being disabled it sets the DWORD value "Irq8Priority" to 0 when it should just delete it. Also your program gets kind of confused as well, in the "Speed-up Windows IRQ handling" menu it doesn't show it as being disabled after you disable it from being enabled. It does however show it as being disabled when I manually delete the DWORD value. __________________ The Whistling Cricket Tweaking Restaurant If it ain't broke, tweak it! Last edited by Vyrticl; Apr 13, 2004 at 08:45 AM.

Apr 13, 2004, 10:20 AM	#87
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 177	Vyrticl I think you have made your points quite proficiently and they have been noted - perhaps if you had chosen to be a little less patronizing in your posting on the last page dforce might have replied in the same manner, anyway this is irrelevant now, your points have been made, now lets hear from other people. thanks.

Apr 13, 2004, 10:57 AM	#89
Vyrticl DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	panging, alright no problem, I'll do some testing on it and report back when I come to a conclusion. __________________ The Whistling Cricket Tweaking Restaurant If it ain't broke, tweak it!

Apr 13, 2004, 04:53 PM	#90
dteah DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Is there any way to undo the ultra fast booting/rearrange boot files after running this option? If you try it before you reboot?