YAY it's Poetry

YAYitsAndrew · Apr 1, 2007, 08:52 PM

I've been writing a lot of poetry lately, and have this overwhelming urge to be read. Open to all forms of criticism.

---
There is a hole labeled love.
For three years we played the perimeter
Occasionally stopping to glance down the hole then into each other's eyes,
Wondering how the two seemed equal in depth.
One day I jumped in.
It was foolish of me,
We should have tied a rope around our waists and climbed down together.

Sometimes, when there are no clouds and the sun is at the right angle,
You can look down and see me
And wonder if I'm worth the wager.
What you can't see, though, is that I've braced myself and have my arms open
To catch you
When you're ready.

SFOSOK · Apr 2, 2007, 05:19 AM

to literal for my tastes.

Needs to be more romantic and a play on words instead of so straight forward.

Edit: Remember though the general concensus about me is that I hate everything.

Falstaff · Apr 2, 2007, 09:52 AM

I could see this is a ballad about the angst of youth and loves lost, it is perfectly valid and rather good.

GutterPunk · Apr 2, 2007, 02:06 PM

NOt bad, you say the love word too quick?

YAYitsAndrew · Apr 2, 2007, 04:08 PM

Nope, started talking marriage. We had been together for 3 years but she was just starting college. Scared her off.

YAYitsAndrew · Apr 2, 2007, 05:35 PM

Here's another one.

---
I am seduction's rake
And you are a green leaf in Spring.
I spend my patience to change the seasons because
One of them will make you realize that holding on to him is not worth the energy.
When you land softly on the grass, I am ready to collect.
Maybe it's my plastic smile
Or my impressive wooden handle;
You can't resist me.
It is my art.

Falstaff · Apr 3, 2007, 12:14 AM

you should try some Haiku as well Andrew...it may be your forte..

YAYitsAndrew · Apr 3, 2007, 06:25 AM

Here's a haiku I wrote after I watched my roommate Marshall stomp a mouse to death in our apartment a year ago. Why do you suggest haiku?

---
Don't squeak little mouse,
Marshall's foot is swift justice
For an unknown crime.

[hobo]eclipse · Apr 3, 2007, 06:36 AM

the first one is great, a visual poem if you will, i can see the whole thing played out in my mind as a short film, very simple and strait forward and true, universally. the second is cool but seems alil more personal, not bad but maybe not as meaningful for the masses, not that the masses are of any concern.......

Falstaff · Apr 3, 2007, 09:23 AM

I love the Haiku...
nothing like an image...
sorry for the mouse...
but cats got to eat too...

**Mousey** · Apr 3, 2007, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YAYitsAndrew

Here's a haiku I wrote after I watched my roommate Marshall stomp a mouse to death in our apartment a year ago. Why do you suggest haiku?

---
Don't squeak little mouse,
Marshall's foot is swift justice
For an unknown crime.

*screams*

Vikingod · Apr 4, 2007, 08:50 PM

lol @ mousey

Nice poems; oh, the innuendo!

I agree with Jeff, your meter lends itself to Haiku.

YAYitsAndrew · May 31, 2007, 04:21 PM

Had LOTS to write about lately... hope you find something you like. I even wrote some of them rhymin' ones cause people seem to like them.

---
Someone invented a clay
That can grow how it sees fit under accord of its own free will.
When you mold it, it holds just long enough to let you forget why you molded it in the first place.
During that time it sits perfectly
Then returns to the man you started with.

---
You have the choice of him or me -
One sticky situation.
A matter of such gravity
Demands attenuation.
I'll offer you a tip for free,
Some sagely inspiration.
My foe is not your past with he,
It's your imagination.

---
You say it's too soon:
Hommage to some notion that love follows reason or logic.
If it did, then by now I'd know not to fall for you this quickly.
It's too soon.

---
I'm a vacation.
You take me for two weeks and have a great time.
You cry a little when I'm over.
When you get back to your real life you put photos of me in an album
And wonder if you could have stayed longer.

---
Our time together's a tease.
Obligation betrays desire.
I want to have secrets with you
and make them at your lips.

---
The purpose of a title is to wear it on your chest.
Then let the people read it so that they can be impressed.
But she is not a title, trophy, medal, plaque, or crest.
So keep on wearing her as one and I'll punch you in the face.

Falstaff · Jun 1, 2007, 06:57 AM

this very emotional....
Andrew do you have a dark side?

YAYitsAndrew · Jun 1, 2007, 08:15 AM

Who doesn't

Falstaff · Jun 1, 2007, 04:34 PM

that wasnt the question Mr !!!
now go to your room...

YAYitsAndrew · Jun 2, 2007, 08:27 AM

Why, is she there?

Falstaff · Jun 2, 2007, 09:08 AM

why who is where?

YAYitsAndrew · Jun 3, 2007, 04:15 PM

(How does a vase love a hammer?
Attempts to embrace make her shatter.)
Nice to meet you.
I'm glue.
And I know that you're priceless.

Falstaff · Jun 4, 2007, 02:53 PM

I get that Andrew, just curious if this is unrequited love or someone real.

YAYitsAndrew · Jun 4, 2007, 11:42 PM

No she likes me too, but not enough to give up on her bf. They seperated for a couple weeks (6th time) and we had a lot of fun together, but then he started begging her to get back together and she chose him cause of their history. They're already fighting...

My expert(?) advice to myself is just keep on living and wait it out. If it's meant to happen I'll get my shot. Until then sometimes I miss her like crazy so I write.

Falstaff · Jun 6, 2007, 09:12 AM

there are so many other girls out there Andrew, your a handsome, creative and resourceful fellow, surely there is a bright new flower in the garden for you, go take a walk outside and smell the roses mate, that is what I do. My girlfriend and I have known each other since we were children living in Germany where our fathers were stationed, we have had lots of lovers, spouses and travelled the world, and yet we returned to be with each other again here in the UK for awhile, she is travelling back to the US to settle her legal affairs and get a better paying job, and I will stay here as long as they pay me well, but I never stop loving her, and she I. What I am trying to say is that we both know what distances, time and life places before us, and we act accordingly, but we are two very independent people and that is what we love about each other among other things, so I guess we shall be together again in the near future...but we are friends Andrew, that never changes...ya know what I mean? no matter what happens we still have each other and help each other, although our lives and the pathes we choose take us many places, we remain looking forward to the future. If we both were sidetracked or mired in other loves that didnt work out, or waited for loves that would never be realized to our expectations, we would never have become fast friends...Andrew...there are lots and lots of lovers out there....but to find a love, you must first be able to give without any condition, your own love to your partner, and remain hopeful I suppose that it will be returned, but there are not absolutes are there. Hang in there, keep writing your poetry, it is the window to your soul but it also allows a level of intimacy that sets you free IMO.

YAYitsAndrew · Jun 7, 2007, 09:24 PM

Last night was great.
Winning beirut while they still had eight?
No.
Seeing your smile put me in this state.

Falstaff · Jun 7, 2007, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YAYitsAndrew

Last night was great.
Winning beirut while they still had eight?
No.
Seeing your smile put me in this state.

oh stop it

YAYitsAndrew · Jun 8, 2007, 04:33 PM

MY poetry thread! This one might need a little work at the beginning

Let's say you're Gretel
Dropping hope-flavored breadcrumbs
So that you can backpedal
When your desire succumbs.
Let's say he's the witch
In a candy cane coven.
You supply him a kiss
As he's heating his oven.
If you stay there and sweeten
Instead of being a tourist
Then your crumbs will be eaten
By the birds of the forest.

Falstaff · Jun 8, 2007, 05:20 PM

whoa.....

YAYitsAndrew · Jun 8, 2007, 05:53 PM

I rewrote the beginning. EDIT: I like the previous one better I think

Let's say you're Gretel.
Running away, breadcrumbs behind
Hooking me on a riddle
Only you can unwind.
Let's say he's the witch
of a candy cane coven.
You supply him a kiss
as he's heating his oven.
If you stay there and sweeten
Instead of being a tourist,
Then your crumbs will be eaten
By the birds of the forest.

Falstaff · Jun 8, 2007, 06:45 PM

I like it...
kinda has a Strawberry 23 kinda feel to it.

YAYitsAndrew · Jun 10, 2007, 10:54 PM

I just finished redoing www.yayitsandrew.com and it'll house all my poetry for now. There's even a new poem that I put up there (my new personal favorite) but I'm a bastard and I'm going to make you visit my site to see it. Thanks for all the feedback

Apr 1, 2007, 08:52 PM	#1
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	YAY it's Poetry I've been writing a lot of poetry lately, and have this overwhelming urge to be read. Open to all forms of criticism. --- There is a hole labeled love. For three years we played the perimeter Occasionally stopping to glance down the hole then into each other's eyes, Wondering how the two seemed equal in depth. One day I jumped in. It was foolish of me, We should have tied a rope around our waists and climbed down together. Sometimes, when there are no clouds and the sun is at the right angle, You can look down and see me And wonder if I'm worth the wager. What you can't see, though, is that I've braced myself and have my arms open To catch you When you're ready. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Apr 2, 2007, 05:19 AM	#2
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	to literal for my tastes. Needs to be more romantic and a play on words instead of so straight forward. Edit: Remember though the general concensus about me is that I hate everything. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Apr 2, 2007, 09:52 AM	#3
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	I could see this is a ballad about the angst of youth and loves lost, it is perfectly valid and rather good. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

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Apr 2, 2007, 04:08 PM	Thread Starter #5
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Nope, started talking marriage. We had been together for 3 years but she was just starting college. Scared her off. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Apr 2, 2007, 05:35 PM	Thread Starter #6
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Here's another one. --- I am seduction's rake And you are a green leaf in Spring. I spend my patience to change the seasons because One of them will make you realize that holding on to him is not worth the energy. When you land softly on the grass, I am ready to collect. Maybe it's my plastic smile Or my impressive wooden handle; You can't resist me. It is my art. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Apr 3, 2007, 12:14 AM	#7
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	you should try some Haiku as well Andrew...it may be your forte.. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Apr 3, 2007, 06:25 AM	Thread Starter #8
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Here's a haiku I wrote after I watched my roommate Marshall stomp a mouse to death in our apartment a year ago. Why do you suggest haiku? --- Don't squeak little mouse, Marshall's foot is swift justice For an unknown crime. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Apr 3, 2007, 06:36 AM	#9
[hobo]eclipse ...just bummin 'round Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,897 Rep Power: 107 System Specs	the first one is great, a visual poem if you will, i can see the whole thing played out in my mind as a short film, very simple and strait forward and true, universally. the second is cool but seems alil more personal, not bad but maybe not as meaningful for the masses, not that the masses are of any concern.......

Apr 3, 2007, 09:23 AM	#10
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	I love the Haiku... nothing like an image... sorry for the mouse... but cats got to eat too... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Apr 4, 2007, 08:50 PM	#12
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,187 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	lol @ mousey Nice poems; oh, the innuendo! I agree with Jeff, your meter lends itself to Haiku. __________________ *How You Can Help DriverHeaven By Using Digg*

May 31, 2007, 04:21 PM	Thread Starter #13
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Had LOTS to write about lately... hope you find something you like. I even wrote some of them rhymin' ones cause people seem to like them. --- Someone invented a clay That can grow how it sees fit under accord of its own free will. When you mold it, it holds just long enough to let you forget why you molded it in the first place. During that time it sits perfectly Then returns to the man you started with. --- You have the choice of him or me - One sticky situation. A matter of such gravity Demands attenuation. I'll offer you a tip for free, Some sagely inspiration. My foe is not your past with he, It's your imagination. --- You say it's too soon: Hommage to some notion that love follows reason or logic. If it did, then by now I'd know not to fall for you this quickly. It's too soon. --- I'm a vacation. You take me for two weeks and have a great time. You cry a little when I'm over. When you get back to your real life you put photos of me in an album And wonder if you could have stayed longer. --- Our time together's a tease. Obligation betrays desire. I want to have secrets with you and make them at your lips. --- The purpose of a title is to wear it on your chest. Then let the people read it so that they can be impressed. But she is not a title, trophy, medal, plaque, or crest. So keep on wearing her as one and I'll punch you in the face. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Jun 1, 2007, 06:57 AM	#14
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	this very emotional.... Andrew do you have a dark side? __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 1, 2007, 08:15 AM	Thread Starter #15
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Who doesn't __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com Last edited by YAYitsAndrew; Jun 1, 2007 at 03:23 PM.

Jun 1, 2007, 04:34 PM	#16
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	that wasnt the question Mr !!! now go to your room... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 2, 2007, 08:27 AM	Thread Starter #17
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Why, is she there? __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Jun 2, 2007, 09:08 AM	#18
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	why who is where? __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 3, 2007, 04:15 PM	Thread Starter #19
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	(How does a vase love a hammer? Attempts to embrace make her shatter.) Nice to meet you. I'm glue. And I know that you're priceless. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com Last edited by YAYitsAndrew; Jun 4, 2007 at 05:54 AM.

Jun 4, 2007, 02:53 PM	#20
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	I get that Andrew, just curious if this is unrequited love or someone real. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 4, 2007, 11:42 PM	Thread Starter #21
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	No she likes me too, but not enough to give up on her bf. They seperated for a couple weeks (6th time) and we had a lot of fun together, but then he started begging her to get back together and she chose him cause of their history. They're already fighting... My expert(?) advice to myself is just keep on living and wait it out. If it's meant to happen I'll get my shot. Until then sometimes I miss her like crazy so I write. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com Last edited by YAYitsAndrew; Jun 5, 2007 at 02:00 AM.

Jun 6, 2007, 09:12 AM	#22
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	there are so many other girls out there Andrew, your a handsome, creative and resourceful fellow, surely there is a bright new flower in the garden for you, go take a walk outside and smell the roses mate, that is what I do. My girlfriend and I have known each other since we were children living in Germany where our fathers were stationed, we have had lots of lovers, spouses and travelled the world, and yet we returned to be with each other again here in the UK for awhile, she is travelling back to the US to settle her legal affairs and get a better paying job, and I will stay here as long as they pay me well, but I never stop loving her, and she I. What I am trying to say is that we both know what distances, time and life places before us, and we act accordingly, but we are two very independent people and that is what we love about each other among other things, so I guess we shall be together again in the near future...but we are friends Andrew, that never changes...ya know what I mean? no matter what happens we still have each other and help each other, although our lives and the pathes we choose take us many places, we remain looking forward to the future. If we both were sidetracked or mired in other loves that didnt work out, or waited for loves that would never be realized to our expectations, we would never have become fast friends...Andrew...there are lots and lots of lovers out there....but to find a love, you must first be able to give without any condition, your own love to your partner, and remain hopeful I suppose that it will be returned, but there are not absolutes are there. Hang in there, keep writing your poetry, it is the window to your soul but it also allows a level of intimacy that sets you free IMO. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 7, 2007, 09:24 PM	Thread Starter #23
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Last night was great. Winning beirut while they still had eight? No. Seeing your smile put me in this state. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Jun 8, 2007, 04:33 PM	Thread Starter #25
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	MY poetry thread! This one might need a little work at the beginning Let's say you're Gretel Dropping hope-flavored breadcrumbs So that you can backpedal When your desire succumbs. Let's say he's the witch In a candy cane coven. You supply him a kiss As he's heating his oven. If you stay there and sweeten Instead of being a tourist Then your crumbs will be eaten By the birds of the forest. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Jun 8, 2007, 05:20 PM	#26
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	whoa..... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 8, 2007, 05:53 PM	Thread Starter #27
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	I rewrote the beginning. EDIT: I like the previous one better I think Let's say you're Gretel. Running away, breadcrumbs behind Hooking me on a riddle Only you can unwind. Let's say he's the witch of a candy cane coven. You supply him a kiss as he's heating his oven. If you stay there and sweeten Instead of being a tourist, Then your crumbs will be eaten By the birds of the forest. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com Last edited by YAYitsAndrew; Jun 8, 2007 at 06:02 PM.

Jun 8, 2007, 06:45 PM	#28
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	I like it... kinda has a Strawberry 23 kinda feel to it. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 10, 2007, 10:54 PM	Thread Starter #29
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	I just finished redoing www.yayitsandrew.com and it'll house all my poetry for now. There's even a new poem that I put up there (my new personal favorite) but I'm a bastard and I'm going to make you visit my site to see it. Thanks for all the feedback __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com