Filesystem of choice?

UberLord · Jan 10, 2004, 02:54 AM

And I'd like to know the reasons why and any experiences good or bad you've had

UberLord · Jan 10, 2004, 02:59 AM

Well, I've tried em all - and the only one I don't like ext2/3 as it's waaaaay too slow. Esp on my lappy

Reiserfs is nice, fast and pure linux. However, I have lost a few files using it after a few power outs
JFS not quite as nice, seeing as it's a mite slower than reiserfs. However, it doesn't lose as many files after a power out (mainly Xfree's log and thats it). Filesystem check time is longer than reiserfs as well

XFS I'm trying out at the moment. Hopefully it will prove as fast as Reiserfs (which it seems to be atm) and more reliable when I get power outs.

Damn low battery on the lappy :/

So, what do you use and why?

Malus · Jan 10, 2004, 08:53 AM

Well, I usually use FreeBSD's filesystem.

But when I use Linux, I tend to stick with Reiser since it's strictly better than Ext2/3 and since it seems to have better support than JFS and XFS.

iluvatar · Jan 20, 2004, 07:10 PM

for my "/" and "boot" partition i use raserfs `cos as u said, it`s very fast! but on my storage room i use ext3, `cos there i don`t need the speed, i need a reliable one. braço iluvA

JustaGuy · Jan 21, 2004, 10:27 PM

I've always used ReiserFS, and I'm just waiting for Reiser4 to become stable to start using that

It's got some pretty neat features, namely full data journaling. Journaling is basically a process that avoids data corruption by either making a full write or none at all, so that files don't get only half written. ReiserFS 3.x only had this for directories and file system structure, but Reiser4 has full journaling. And the greatest thing is that it's not slower; in fact, it's faster than ReiserFS 3.x!

Then there are some neat very advanced features: file/directory duality. If you treat a file like a directory (i.e., by adding "/" to the end of it), there will be some pseudo files inside that directory that represent the file's properties!! So if you access something.txt, you'll get the text file. But if you access something.txt/..uid , you'll get a pseudo file with the uid of the owner of something.txt!! (the .. is just a convention, nothing to do with going up one level). It's pretty advanced, and marks the "unification of namespaces", ie, getting everything in the same place instead of having a million attributes and a million different programs (chown, setfacl, chmod, etc etc) to manipulate them.

Also, there are gigantic improvements in handling small files...

So you see, I'm kind of looking forward to Reiser4

Anyway, about ReiserFS 3.x, yes, I've had my problems with corruption due to spontaneously-crashing hardware (under both Windows and Linux), but I discovered something that has helped me recover from similar situations with ease. An advanced tool only used by administrators, 1337 users and smart people: backups.

Hehe, nothing beats a second drive with an integral copy of your Linux partitions...

So, if you decide to take the backup route, I suggest taking a look at Partition Image, which IMHO is the fastest way to make a full partition backup, at least for Linux partitions (NTFS support is still experimental).

UberLord · Jan 22, 2004, 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by JustaGuy
[B]Then there are some neat very advanced features: file/directory duality. If you treat a file like a directory (i.e., by adding "/" to the end of it), there will be some pseudo files inside that directory that represent the file's properties!! So if you access something.txt, you'll get the text file. But if you access something.txt/..uid , you'll get a pseudo file with the uid of the owner of something.txt!! (the .. is just a convention, nothing to do with going up one level). It's pretty advanced, and marks the "unification of namespaces", ie, getting everything in the same place instead of having a million attributes and a million different programs (chown, setfacl, chmod, etc etc) to manipulate them.

Is this how Reiser will handle ACLs?

JustaGuy · Jan 22, 2004, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by UberLord
Is this how Reiser will handle ACLs?

From what I've been able to gather, Reiser4 will suport ACL's via a plugin which I am not sure whether will ship or not with the first release. It will definetely work with regular tools (setfacl, getfacl ...), but I am not sure if there will be any pseudo files to match ACL attributes, but I would say that's a fair bet.

I want to make it clear that any "old-style" tools will obviously still work as they always did. The pseudo-files are just another way to read and set file attributes.

Jan 10, 2004, 02:54 AM	#1
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	Filesystem of choice? And I'd like to know the reasons why and any experiences good or bad you've had __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Jan 10, 2004, 02:59 AM	Thread Starter #2
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	Well, I've tried em all - and the only one I don't like ext2/3 as it's waaaaay too slow. Esp on my lappy Reiserfs is nice, fast and pure linux. However, I have lost a few files using it after a few power outs JFS not quite as nice, seeing as it's a mite slower than reiserfs. However, it doesn't lose as many files after a power out (mainly Xfree's log and thats it). Filesystem check time is longer than reiserfs as well XFS I'm trying out at the moment. Hopefully it will prove as fast as Reiserfs (which it seems to be atm) and more reliable when I get power outs. Damn low battery on the lappy :/ So, what do you use and why? __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Jan 10, 2004, 08:53 AM	#3
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	Well, I usually use FreeBSD's filesystem. But when I use Linux, I tend to stick with Reiser since it's strictly better than Ext2/3 and since it seems to have better support than JFS and XFS. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Jan 20, 2004, 07:10 PM	#4
iluvatar DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	for my "/" and "boot" partition i use raserfs `cos as u said, it`s very fast! but on my storage room i use ext3, `cos there i don`t need the speed, i need a reliable one. braço iluvA

Jan 21, 2004, 10:27 PM	#5
JustaGuy DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 44 Rep Power: 0	I've always used ReiserFS, and I'm just waiting for Reiser4 to become stable to start using that It's got some pretty neat features, namely full data journaling. Journaling is basically a process that avoids data corruption by either making a full write or none at all, so that files don't get only half written. ReiserFS 3.x only had this for directories and file system structure, but Reiser4 has full journaling. And the greatest thing is that it's not slower; in fact, it's faster than ReiserFS 3.x! Then there are some neat very advanced features: file/directory duality. If you treat a file like a directory (i.e., by adding "/" to the end of it), there will be some pseudo files inside that directory that represent the file's properties!! So if you access something.txt, you'll get the text file. But if you access something.txt/..uid , you'll get a pseudo file with the uid of the owner of something.txt!! (the .. is just a convention, nothing to do with going up one level). It's pretty advanced, and marks the "unification of namespaces", ie, getting everything in the same place instead of having a million attributes and a million different programs (chown, setfacl, chmod, etc etc) to manipulate them. Also, there are gigantic improvements in handling small files... So you see, I'm kind of looking forward to Reiser4 Anyway, about ReiserFS 3.x, yes, I've had my problems with corruption due to spontaneously-crashing hardware (under both Windows and Linux), but I discovered something that has helped me recover from similar situations with ease. An advanced tool only used by administrators, 1337 users and smart people: backups. Hehe, nothing beats a second drive with an integral copy of your Linux partitions... So, if you decide to take the backup route, I suggest taking a look at Partition Image, which IMHO is the fastest way to make a full partition backup, at least for Linux partitions (NTFS support is still experimental).