XFree86 4.4.0

JLP · Mar 1, 2004, 12:24 PM

The new version of XFree86 4.4.0 is out. You can get it ar the official site. Don't expect it to see anytime soon in your favourite distro as there are some problems with the new licence not being GPL compatible.

UberLord · Mar 1, 2004, 12:33 PM

www.freedesktop.org is probably going to be the new XServer when it becomes stable

JLP · Mar 1, 2004, 05:07 PM

Yeah I sure hope this happens soon and that we will se more progress in development with it. For now they also host the latest versions of XFree86 with all files with new licence stripped out. There are not many of them for now.

Malus · Mar 4, 2004, 01:16 AM

Now if they only had 3D acceleration with my Radeon under FreeBSD, I'd be good to go.

Hopefully they'll get 4.4.0 on the ports system soon.

UberLord · Mar 4, 2004, 09:25 AM

I'm hopefull that they won't due to licensing issues

Malus · Mar 4, 2004, 06:15 PM

I was under the impression that the new license was't that bad, just more annoying. I wouldn't care so much for XFree86 is there was a better, free implementation out there. Freedesktop looks promising, but is incomplete I assume.

JustaGuy · Mar 5, 2004, 01:20 PM

The problem with the new license is that it requires inclusion of credits in derived works.

Now this itself is very bad in the open-source world; can you imagine if every open-source project required the same? We'd have gigantic credit files. What's worse, and I'm not sure if they require this or not, you would probably have to include the credits in commercials, ads and such.

But the main problem here is GPL-compatibility. And it isn't compatible because the GPL imposes a series of conditions and in the end states "you may not impose any further restrictions than the ones listed above" or something similar to that in legalese.

So, if it isn't GPL-compatible, that means it cannot be included in the free (as in speech) downloadable versions of any distro.

Hopefully they will reconsider. If not, then I hope Freedesktop.org's XServer gains a lot more contributors

GUNNIX · May 4, 2004, 12:06 AM

This is required for the new XFCE version, but Ati doesn't have drivers for 4.4 .

How is your experience with Nvidia drivers?

UberLord · May 4, 2004, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GUNNIX
This is required for the new XFCE version, but Ati doesn't have drivers for 4.4 .

How is your experience with Nvidia drivers?

XFCE is a Window Manager and as such doesn't require any "driver version", just a working graphics subsystem provided by X

X can be XFree86, X11org or others.

Personally, I cannot get any ATI drivers to work with my 9800 pro 512 megger under Gentoo in 3D.
2D is fine.

GUNNIX · May 4, 2004, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UberLord
XFCE is a Window Manager and as such doesn't require any "driver version", just a working graphics subsystem provided by X

X can be XFree86, X11org or others.

Personally, I cannot get any ATI drivers to work with my 9800 pro 512 megger under Gentoo in 3D.
2D is fine.

hmmpf, but Swaret found that xfree 4.4 was a dependency of xfce 4.05. Guess swaret was wrong.

OK, so there's no reason to use xfree 4.4 ?

UberLord · May 4, 2004, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GUNNIX
hmmpf, but Swaret found that xfree 4.4 was a dependency of xfce 4.05. Guess swaret was wrong.

OK, so there's no reason to use xfree 4.4 ?

XFCE depends on X libraries

XFree86 provides X libraries
X11org provides X libraries

Currently the two are 100% compatible

There's no reason to use XFree86 4.4 over X11org

Mar 1, 2004, 12:24 PM	#1
JLP DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Slovenia Posts: 249 Rep Power: 0	XFree86 4.4.0 The new version of XFree86 4.4.0 is out. You can get it ar the official site. Don't expect it to see anytime soon in your favourite distro as there are some problems with the new licence not being GPL compatible.

Mar 1, 2004, 12:33 PM	#2
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	www.freedesktop.org is probably going to be the new XServer when it becomes stable __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Mar 4, 2004, 01:16 AM	#4
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	Now if they only had 3D acceleration with my Radeon under FreeBSD, I'd be good to go. Hopefully they'll get 4.4.0 on the ports system soon. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Mar 4, 2004, 09:25 AM	#5
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	I'm hopefull that they won't due to licensing issues __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Mar 4, 2004, 06:15 PM	#6
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	I was under the impression that the new license was't that bad, just more annoying. I wouldn't care so much for XFree86 is there was a better, free implementation out there. Freedesktop looks promising, but is incomplete I assume. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Mar 1, 2004, 05:07 PM	Thread Starter #3
JLP DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Slovenia Posts: 249 Rep Power: 0	Yeah I sure hope this happens soon and that we will se more progress in development with it. For now they also host the latest versions of XFree86 with all files with new licence stripped out. There are not many of them for now.

Mar 5, 2004, 01:20 PM	#7
JustaGuy DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 44 Rep Power: 0	The problem with the new license is that it requires inclusion of credits in derived works. Now this itself is very bad in the open-source world; can you imagine if every open-source project required the same? We'd have gigantic credit files. What's worse, and I'm not sure if they require this or not, you would probably have to include the credits in commercials, ads and such. But the main problem here is GPL-compatibility. And it isn't compatible because the GPL imposes a series of conditions and in the end states "you may not impose any further restrictions than the ones listed above" or something similar to that in legalese. So, if it isn't GPL-compatible, that means it cannot be included in the free (as in speech) downloadable versions of any distro. Hopefully they will reconsider. If not, then I hope Freedesktop.org's XServer gains a lot more contributors

May 4, 2004, 12:06 AM	#8
GUNNIX DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 157 Rep Power: 0	This is required for the new XFCE version, but Ati doesn't have drivers for 4.4 . How is your experience with Nvidia drivers?