What do you want to see from ATI's drivers in the future? [POLL VERSION]

RIV@NVX · Oct 1, 2005, 03:21 PM

So, here is the requested poll version of ATI driver suggestion thread. Stuff like speed/stability isn't included in the poll, since ATI already knows we want that, don't they?

So, tick the ones you care about and leave the ones you don't care about. Feel free to add more, as I have probably forgotten something.

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* INSTALLATION: Improved installer, with GTK2 and QT frontends instead of GTK1; improved fglrxconfig, that touches only the minimum it needs
* CONTROL PANEL: Improved Control Panel or ported CCC, that allows to configure everything that is possible, replacing fglrxconfig as much as possible, with both GTK2 and QT frontends, and options comparable to windows version (forced FSAA and Aniso, etc.)
* CONFIGURATION: ~/.drirc configuration (different settings for different apps)
* OVERCLOCKING: Overclocking options in Control Panel, with options such as POWERPLAY and OVERDRIVE
* KERNEL-LEVEL: Deprecation of internal agpgart, submitting the patches to kernel; better compatibility with radeonfb kernel driver, no MTRR conflicts/overlaps when using radeonfb (or even vesafb) kernel driver, make DRI work even when DRM is enabled in kernel
* X/DRI: add RENDER, DAMAGE, COMPOSITE, EXA, xgl support, fix 2D issues
* OpenGL: Support for more extensions
* COMPATIBILITY: Better compatibility with WINE and Cedega
* TV/DISPLAY: HDTV and SDTV resolutions, improved multi-monitor support
* PLATFORM SUPPORT: FreeBSD and OpenSolaris driver

Moshroum · Oct 1, 2005, 09:58 PM

To clarify some stuff:

KERNEL-LEVEL: Deprecation of internal agpgart (I had the same idea some time ago, but forgot to cry somewhere )
X/DRI: EXA and 2d fixes
OpenGL: Not really the support of more extensions, but elimination of known opengl bugs
COMPATIBILITY: shouldnt be a problem when ati fixes the opengl bugs and transgaming learns to code not only for "nvidia bugs"
It should not be extra work to develop for cedega, but when it helps to get a better opengl driver...it is ok. I hope there is some kind of dialogue between transgaming and ati, so nothing "wrong" will be adopted to get some game in cedega working.
[edit]jec0s said something about 16bit mode which is really a point I forgot when I read "WINE/Cedega Compatibility". It is really something which isnt covered by other points[/edit]

jec0s · Oct 1, 2005, 11:44 PM

Guys Please dont select them all at once.. or else the poll is useless.

RIV@NVX · Oct 2, 2005, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jec0s

Guys Please dont select them all at once.. or else the poll is useless.

I put a multi-selection poll because it would be totally pointless to limit everyone to just one option. However, as jec0s says, please don't select all

I suggest selecting 3-4 options at most.

*mtippett* · Oct 2, 2005, 03:10 PM

driconf support was added in 8.16.

RIV@NVX · Oct 3, 2005, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mtippett

driconf support was added in 8.16.

I haven't tried it due to the conflict between fglrx and radeonfb; it's one feature down, many to go, but progressing, I guess

Now, if we could only configure it via control panel (like in Windows Catalyst), that would be really nice.

mactalla · Oct 3, 2005, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RIV@NVX

So, tick the ones you care about and leave the ones you don't care about. Feel free to add more, as I have probably forgotten something.

I don't know how to add more. Perhaps I'm blind. Perhaps insufficient permissions. But the single most important feature request for me is:

* Laptop support: allow suspending _and_resuming_ of the computer without fglrx freezing the computer (see ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9 ...yes it's an old request)

jec0s · Oct 3, 2005, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RIV@NVX

Now, if we could only configure it via control panel (like in Windows Catalyst), that would be really nice.

Thats what DRICONF is for! (it works for now)

Sorry to barge-in I have to get this off my chest:

Screw any control panel for now!! get the driver working first. Atleast get it on par with nvidia as to number of games it can run solidly ..

Tired of seeing "This game won't work on ATI cards" "16bit mode??? hrmmm"

Please get this priority straight!

Thank you

RIV@NVX · Oct 4, 2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jec0s

Thats what DRICONF is for! (it works for now)

That's one cool piece of software! I didn't know that it was so usable and good looking.

UberLord · Oct 5, 2005, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mtippett

driconf support was added in 8.16.

True enough, but afaik it's only for vsync.

Hopefully we'll be able to set fsaa and aniso options via driconf as well - which is what the option is about imo

But that only becomes valid when the driver supports these

RIV@NVX · Oct 5, 2005, 03:54 PM

Speaking of 8.16 drivers, did ATI do anything related to resolutions support. I ask because my xorg.conf has only "1280x800" entry, and it works OK when using "ati" instead of "fglrx".

However, once I switch to fglrx (by changing *only* that line), I can only use "1280x768", "1024x768", "800x600" and "640x480", even I *have*not* specified any of them in xorg.conf, but only "1280x800".

How so?

jec0s · Oct 5, 2005, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RIV@NVX

Speaking of 8.16 drivers, did ATI do anything related to resolutions support. I ask because my xorg.conf has only "1280x800" entry, and it works OK when using "ati" instead of "fglrx".

However, once I switch to fglrx (by changing *only* that line), I can only use "1280x768", "1024x768", "800x600" and "640x480", even I *have*not* specified any of them in xorg.conf, but only "1280x800".

How so?

Seems alot of people couldn't use 8.16 b/c resolutions were messed up and limited..

RIV@NVX · Oct 5, 2005, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jec0s

Seems alot of people couldn't use 8.16 b/c resolutions were messed up and limited..

Aha, ok, good then, I thought it's only me.

jec0s · Oct 5, 2005, 08:20 PM

I'm just dieing to try the next driver coming out this month!! please spill some facts Matthew

black hole sun · Oct 13, 2005, 12:08 AM

I definitley think the internal AGPGART needs to be deprecated/removed...gives me and many others nothing but trouble. Submit the changes to the lkml!

Though, I'd kill to see CCC ported to Linux in Mono

jec0s · Oct 13, 2005, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by black hole sun

I definitley think the internal AGPGART needs to be deprecated/removed...gives me and many others nothing but trouble. Submit the changes to the lkml!

Though, I'd kill to see CCC ported to Linux in Mono

That'd have to be postponed until they get all the CCC options working in the driver first ...

masanlop · Nov 10, 2005, 08:06 PM

I'd like to see fglrxconfig finally being able to recognize my Xpress200M !!
It seems to be the same fglrxconfig version present in the 8.14 about six months ago...

It's been impossible for me to make my Xpress200M work in my laptop, but I think now it could be a problem of getting the right xorg.conf.

RIV@NVX · Nov 10, 2005, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by masanlop

I'd like to see fglrxconfig finally being able to recognize my Xpress200M !!
It seems to be the same fglrxconfig version present in the 8.14 about six months ago...

It's been impossible for me to make my Xpress200M work in my laptop, but I think now it could be a problem of getting the right xorg.conf.

New drivers have something called aticonfig, IIRC. Perhaps you should give it a shot. I can't really say since I always edit my xorg.conf by hand.

**temeteus82** · Nov 10, 2005, 10:03 PM

where to start... Hmm... Installation should bee improved, like it would do all. And the user could kick back and enjoy ... ... Since I've upgraded my PC haven't been able to use X... now trying to figure how install the drivers right ...

jec0s · Nov 11, 2005, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

where to start... Hmm... Installation should bee improved, like it would do all. And the user could kick back and enjoy ... ... Since I've upgraded my PC haven't been able to use X... now trying to figure how install the drivers right ...

There is absolutely no reason you shouldnt be able to install the driver. The installer should work fine. BUT its up to the linux distrubition to later package that driver in their repository and distribute it however they handle packages. If you can't install it, then you either need to change your distro to a more popular one like ubuntu, or learn more about how linux handles packages, and how to configure X.

masanlop · Nov 12, 2005, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RIV@NVX

New drivers have something called aticonfig, IIRC. Perhaps you should give it a shot. I can't really say since I always edit my xorg.conf by hand.

Ok, I gave it a shot, but didn't work either.

MA

jec0s · Nov 12, 2005, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by masanlop

I'd like to see fglrxconfig finally being able to recognize my Xpress200M !!
It seems to be the same fglrxconfig version present in the 8.14 about six months ago...

It's been impossible for me to make my Xpress200M work in my laptop, but I think now it could be a problem of getting the right xorg.conf.

fglrxconfig shouldnt be trying to detect the card(it might be but I doubt it). All it does is go through options of what you want in your xorg.conf..
I think your issue is with your distro(which is most likley b/c your running 64bit which is foolish IMO if your running a primary machine like a laptop) and not with the ati driver, unless someone here with a Xpress200m and a different distro can prove me wrong.

**temeteus82** · Nov 12, 2005, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jec0s

There is absolutely no reason you shouldn't be able to install the driver. The installer should work fine. BUT its up to the linux distribution to later package that driver in their repository and distribute it however they handle packages. If you can't install it, then you either need to change your distro to a more popular one like ubuntu, or learn more about how linux handles packages, and how to configure X.

Well, I use Ubuntu 5.10 AMD64 version and it and ATI drives have some problems... :P *not a linux guru* the how-to that I read in ubuntu forums was helpful but, for some reason I couldn't install the drivers right... I think it's because the installer didn't recognise my card right... but I'll do clean install in next week so let's hope for the best

jamse101 · Dec 9, 2005, 11:25 PM

I would just want support for X1K cards!

Rasta Monsta · Dec 10, 2005, 12:25 AM

FAN SPEED CONTROL.

g35x · Dec 14, 2005, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rasta Monsta

FAN SPEED CONTROL.

i would like ati tray tools xD.....(dont think thats made by ati but w/e) and that would give u fan speed control

Rasta Monsta · Dec 14, 2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by g35x

i would like ati tray tools xD.....(dont think thats made by ati but w/e) and that would give u fan speed control

Well, I understand that, but the question was, what do you want to see in ATi's drivers. I can't comprehend why this is not included in CCC.

rasta

Oct 1, 2005, 09:58 PM	#2
Moshroum DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	To clarify some stuff: KERNEL-LEVEL: Deprecation of internal agpgart (I had the same idea some time ago, but forgot to cry somewhere ) X/DRI: EXA and 2d fixes OpenGL: Not really the support of more extensions, but elimination of known opengl bugs COMPATIBILITY: shouldnt be a problem when ati fixes the opengl bugs and transgaming learns to code not only for "nvidia bugs" It should not be extra work to develop for cedega, but when it helps to get a better opengl driver...it is ok. I hope there is some kind of dialogue between transgaming and ati, so nothing "wrong" will be adopted to get some game in cedega working. [edit]jec0s said something about 16bit mode which is really a point I forgot when I read "WINE/Cedega Compatibility". It is really something which isnt covered by other points[/edit] __________________ I want YOU for the A.T.I ARMY Nearest Bugzilla Station Last edited by Moshroum; Oct 4, 2005 at 12:06 PM.

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RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Speaking of 8.16 drivers, did ATI do anything related to resolutions support. I ask because my xorg.conf has only "1280x800" entry, and it works OK when using "ati" instead of "fglrx". However, once I switch to fglrx (by changing only that line), I can only use "1280x768", "1024x768", "800x600" and "640x480", even I havenot* specified any of them in xorg.conf, but only "1280x800". How so? __________________ -- Vedran

Oct 13, 2005, 12:08 AM	#15
black hole sun DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	I definitley think the internal AGPGART needs to be deprecated/removed...gives me and many others nothing but trouble. Submit the changes to the lkml! Though, I'd kill to see CCC ported to Linux in Mono __________________ <Dogan> Just try and imagine michael jackson as a football player <Samurai> .... <Samurai> All that i'm going to say to that is: <Samurai> the touchdown dances would be insane

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mtippett ATI Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	driconf support was added in 8.16.

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jec0s DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 45 Rep Power: 0	I'm just dieing to try the next driver coming out this month!! please spill some facts Matthew

Nov 10, 2005, 08:06 PM	#17
masanlop DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	I'd like to see fglrxconfig finally being able to recognize my Xpress200M !! It seems to be the same fglrxconfig version present in the 8.14 about six months ago... It's been impossible for me to make my Xpress200M work in my laptop, but I think now it could be a problem of getting the right xorg.conf.

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jamse101 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Helsinki, Finland. Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	I would just want support for X1K cards!