Total Newbie Question.

br00ksintexas · May 31, 2005, 01:18 PM

Ok, here's my situation. I downloaded the Radeon Omega Drivers 2.6.25a (Catalyst 5.4) last week. I don't know if they're working, or really, for that matter, how to adjust them. All I did was download and install them. I've read a lot of the postings here, and see mention of "driver cleaning" and such, none of which I was promted to do during or after the download. I do know that after the download, I did the radlinker to my BF1943 game with the Desert Final mod, and then re-set the numbers from the standard 310.50 Core/195.75 Memory, to the "sync" setting of 310.50 Core/310.50 Memory. When I played the game, it did look like the graphics were slightly quicker and more stable, albeit a little more speckled, but from reading here on this site, I can't really tell if it's changed at all.

Here's all my system info:
GFX MODEL:
Mobility Radeon 9600-64Mb Dedicated

LAPTOP MAKE and MODEL:
HP Pavilion zx5190us

GFX CLOCK SPEEDS:
310.50 Core / 195.75 RAM

CPU:
3.20 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4
8 kilobyte primary memory cache
512 kilobyte secondary memory cache

MEMORY:
1024 Megabytes Installed Memory
Slot 'U5' has 512 MB
Slot 'U6' has 512 MB

HARD DRIVE:
TOSHIBA MK8025GAS [Hard drive] (80.03 GB)

SCREEN RESOLUTION:
1280X800

The only games I play are BF1942 (Desert Final Mod), Midnight Club 2, Madden Football, EA's Baseball and Golf games, and the occassional Yahoo pool.
I know I'm not really putting my system under any serious loads playing these games. I only got the drivers because I was having some heat/choppiness/error issues with MidnightClub a while back, and the HP cust. service recommended me to Omega's site because of HP not giving any decent driver support for the ATI gfx.
Hopefully someone can offer me some guidance in this issue. Thanks in advance.
Kevin

2800@2.5ghz · May 31, 2005, 01:52 PM

it would have been better to uninstall the origonals and clean them using the drivercleaner, but if they are working fine then there is no need to fuss

thegave · May 31, 2005, 04:56 PM

noooooo if his memory runs 195mhz at stock and he's setting it to run at 310.5 then that's a 100+mhz overclock.. i'm surprised it runs at all your video card must have very good memory chips or cooling system. i would imagine the speckling you see is being caused by artifacts, probably from the excessive heat your videocard is generating.
don't run the core and memory synched, it doesn't give you much if any performance yield. plus the overclockability of the vpu and vram will vary so by synching them you will be limiting your maximum overclock to the weaker component, probably the ram.
start again from default and try increasing them slowly by about 5mhz and testing some games to see if its stable or artifacting.

br00ksintexas · Jun 1, 2005, 07:05 PM

I tried the one test that everyone here seems to take to benchmark their video..needless to say, my laptop fell sorely short. Once I sync'd the overclocking, it looked miserable, and blue-screened shortly thereafter. I've re-set the settings in the radlinks i've made back to the original default. I'm going to try doing them like you said, small increments, until it get's better or unstable. Does anyone on forum have a laptop with specs like mine? If so, what are the settings you're running??
Thanks
Kevin

Tipstaff · Jun 2, 2005, 12:13 AM

Stock GPU Core for the MR 9600 is normally 300-350mhz, while the memory is normally 300-350mhz (or 600mhz-700mz DDR). Some manufacturers will underclock certain settings to create less heat (most times due to where they have other parts located near it). The only problem with overclocking both is that the memory resides on the same chip that the GPU does (infact it's on the backside), so you would essentially be creating a lot of centeralized heat on and around the GPU. My advice would be to not clock either one past 350mhz which is the max tolerance of the chip.

BTW: While the best procedure is to uninstall, then clean out the old drivers it's not always necessary. It will give you the best 'base' to install new drivers as you are reducing the potential for creating problems/conflicts due to old drivers. However, you don't need to do it all the time. The tweaks Omega does to the drivers are not driver specific, but rather settings specific. So, you are essentially getting the newer drivers, but with Omegas registry settings and tweaks.

It is a good idea, though, to clean up the old drivers every now and then, but again, not always necessary.

-Tip

Meaker · Jun 2, 2005, 01:38 AM

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8561690

DONT try and match this with yours. If you do it will turn into a molten slag before you get there

thegave · Jun 2, 2005, 08:47 AM

is that an open challenge meaker? ...damnit you have a sonoma... i have a 2.0dothan 100mhz fsb sucks....

that's incredible. your mrX600 smoked my X800XT PE

.... crappy kt133a motherboard.

it seems i'm always FSB challenged

Meaker · Jun 2, 2005, 01:38 PM

You have a x800xt PE in a kt133a mobo?

No, it's a fact since he will need to overclock that P4 to get up to the same strength as a sonoma at 2.32ghz with a FSB of 154.8 (super Pi = 34 seconds) add that extra heat to the heat of gfx and your asking for trouble.

Oh and that score is the highest for a mobility x600 out there, it would actually sit on the front page for the desktop version too (and 9600).

thegave · Jun 2, 2005, 03:04 PM

yup. i have this crappy desktop and HL2 friggin comes out like a month before i get my laptop so i said to myself i'm going to ENJOY this game so i ran out and bought an X800 to play hl2 with until my lappy arrived. ffs. i didn't even get to the hoverboat with it...

and no, of course waiting wasn't an option.

if i want to play catchup what would be the best way to do it? what has the most important effect in 3dm01?
i have a pm2.0 mr9700 128mb 1024mb ddr400... low timings or high fsb?

Meaker · Jun 2, 2005, 03:42 PM

You have timing control on your notebook? If you do I would treat it like an A64, if not as high as the fsb can go really, though you will need a clockgen. At 600/315 CPU has a large impact on performance but at this level of gfx both CPU and GPU speed are about equally important. But remember those temperatures! I can monitor HDD, CPU, GPU and GPU MEM.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14.../m154-7MHz.bmp

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http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...s/DSC00932.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...s/DSC00930.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/Meaks/pi2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...creenshot2.jpg

thegave · Jun 2, 2005, 06:51 PM

i have a clockgen and a timing tweaker.. i only get temps off the hdd... =\

do you run in to sound problems with your agp/pci bus running so high?

Meaker · Jun 2, 2005, 08:36 PM

Not that I have noticed though I usually mute the sound. What program do you use to adjust timings?

thegave · Jun 3, 2005, 07:52 AM

some secret "tweaker" made by the cpuid guys never released for public... originally for the dfi 855gm board but it works on mine so i use it.

May 31, 2005, 01:18 PM	#1
br00ksintexas DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2005 Location: Watauga, Texas (Just N. of Ft. Worth and S. of Keller) Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	Total Newbie Question. Ok, here's my situation. I downloaded the Radeon Omega Drivers 2.6.25a (Catalyst 5.4) last week. I don't know if they're working, or really, for that matter, how to adjust them. All I did was download and install them. I've read a lot of the postings here, and see mention of "driver cleaning" and such, none of which I was promted to do during or after the download. I do know that after the download, I did the radlinker to my BF1943 game with the Desert Final mod, and then re-set the numbers from the standard 310.50 Core/195.75 Memory, to the "sync" setting of 310.50 Core/310.50 Memory. When I played the game, it did look like the graphics were slightly quicker and more stable, albeit a little more speckled, but from reading here on this site, I can't really tell if it's changed at all. Here's all my system info: GFX MODEL: Mobility Radeon 9600-64Mb Dedicated LAPTOP MAKE and MODEL: HP Pavilion zx5190us GFX CLOCK SPEEDS: 310.50 Core / 195.75 RAM CPU: 3.20 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4 8 kilobyte primary memory cache 512 kilobyte secondary memory cache MEMORY: 1024 Megabytes Installed Memory Slot 'U5' has 512 MB Slot 'U6' has 512 MB HARD DRIVE: TOSHIBA MK8025GAS [Hard drive] (80.03 GB) SCREEN RESOLUTION: 1280X800 The only games I play are BF1942 (Desert Final Mod), Midnight Club 2, Madden Football, EA's Baseball and Golf games, and the occassional Yahoo pool. I know I'm not really putting my system under any serious loads playing these games. I only got the drivers because I was having some heat/choppiness/error issues with MidnightClub a while back, and the HP cust. service recommended me to Omega's site because of HP not giving any decent driver support for the ATI gfx. Hopefully someone can offer me some guidance in this issue. Thanks in advance. Kevin

Jun 2, 2005, 12:13 AM	#5
Tipstaff HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Real capital of Canada: Torauna Posts: 6,773 Rep Power: 191 System Specs	Stock GPU Core for the MR 9600 is normally 300-350mhz, while the memory is normally 300-350mhz (or 600mhz-700mz DDR). Some manufacturers will underclock certain settings to create less heat (most times due to where they have other parts located near it). The only problem with overclocking both is that the memory resides on the same chip that the GPU does (infact it's on the backside), so you would essentially be creating a lot of centeralized heat on and around the GPU. My advice would be to not clock either one past 350mhz which is the max tolerance of the chip. BTW: While the best procedure is to uninstall, then clean out the old drivers it's not always necessary. It will give you the best 'base' to install new drivers as you are reducing the potential for creating problems/conflicts due to old drivers. However, you don't need to do it all the time. The tweaks Omega does to the drivers are not driver specific, but rather settings specific. So, you are essentially getting the newer drivers, but with Omegas registry settings and tweaks. It is a good idea, though, to clean up the old drivers every now and then, but again, not always necessary. -Tip __________________ Portal: The Flash Version _________________________________ Brain: So, you sacked the cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker? Mr. Sackett: The second cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker I've sacked since the sixth sitting sheet slitter got sick.

Jun 2, 2005, 01:38 AM	#6
Meaker #1 INTEL MAINSTREAM Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8561690 DONT try and match this with yours. If you do it will turn into a molten slag before you get there __________________ Home: Core 2 DUO @ 2.4ghz \| 2048mb GSKILL 5400 @ 450mhz 5-5-5-12 \| ASROCK P945 A2 based mobo \| ATI Radeon x1650pro \| 17" LCD widescreen \| Hiper Type R 480W PSU \| 250gb seagate HDD \| Uni: Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.8ghz HT on (1.325v) \| 6 Gigs Corsair XMS 3 1333DDR @ 1600DDR 8-8-8-20 1.5v \| Asus P6T-SE @ 200mhz BCLK \|2x Gigabyte HD 4770 Crossfire + Accelero S1s \| 21.6" widescreen LCD \| Sharkoon Rebel 7 + 600W Coolermaster silent PRO \| 2x320GB WD raid edition III Raid 0 \| Razor diamondback G3 Last edited by Meaker; Jun 2, 2005 at 01:44 AM.

Jun 2, 2005, 01:38 PM	#8
Meaker #1 INTEL MAINSTREAM Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	You have a x800xt PE in a kt133a mobo? No, it's a fact since he will need to overclock that P4 to get up to the same strength as a sonoma at 2.32ghz with a FSB of 154.8 (super Pi = 34 seconds) add that extra heat to the heat of gfx and your asking for trouble. Oh and that score is the highest for a mobility x600 out there, it would actually sit on the front page for the desktop version too (and 9600). __________________ Home: Core 2 DUO @ 2.4ghz \| 2048mb GSKILL 5400 @ 450mhz 5-5-5-12 \| ASROCK P945 A2 based mobo \| ATI Radeon x1650pro \| 17" LCD widescreen \| Hiper Type R 480W PSU \| 250gb seagate HDD \| Uni: Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.8ghz HT on (1.325v) \| 6 Gigs Corsair XMS 3 1333DDR @ 1600DDR 8-8-8-20 1.5v \| Asus P6T-SE @ 200mhz BCLK \|2x Gigabyte HD 4770 Crossfire + Accelero S1s \| 21.6" widescreen LCD \| Sharkoon Rebel 7 + 600W Coolermaster silent PRO \| 2x320GB WD raid edition III Raid 0 \| Razor diamondback G3 Last edited by Meaker; Jun 2, 2005 at 03:50 PM.

Jun 2, 2005, 03:42 PM	#10
Meaker #1 INTEL MAINSTREAM Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	You have timing control on your notebook? If you do I would treat it like an A64, if not as high as the fsb can go really, though you will need a clockgen. At 600/315 CPU has a large impact on performance but at this level of gfx both CPU and GPU speed are about equally important. But remember those temperatures! I can monitor HDD, CPU, GPU and GPU MEM. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14.../m154-7MHz.bmp [color=#232d35]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...s/DSC00931.jpg[/color] http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...s/DSC00932.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...s/DSC00930.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/Meaks/pi2.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...creenshot2.jpg __________________ Home: Core 2 DUO @ 2.4ghz \| 2048mb GSKILL 5400 @ 450mhz 5-5-5-12 \| ASROCK P945 A2 based mobo \| ATI Radeon x1650pro \| 17" LCD widescreen \| Hiper Type R 480W PSU \| 250gb seagate HDD \| Uni: Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.8ghz HT on (1.325v) \| 6 Gigs Corsair XMS 3 1333DDR @ 1600DDR 8-8-8-20 1.5v \| Asus P6T-SE @ 200mhz BCLK \|2x Gigabyte HD 4770 Crossfire + Accelero S1s \| 21.6" widescreen LCD \| Sharkoon Rebel 7 + 600W Coolermaster silent PRO \| 2x320GB WD raid edition III Raid 0 \| Razor diamondback G3 Last edited by Meaker; Jun 2, 2005 at 03:49 PM.

May 31, 2005, 01:52 PM	#2
2800@2.5ghz DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pontefract,West Yorkshire Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	it would have been better to uninstall the origonals and clean them using the drivercleaner, but if they are working fine then there is no need to fuss __________________ AMD 2800+Barton@2.5ghz 1.95v/Epox 8RDA6+Pro/Radeon 9800pro O'ced @ 411/351 / 120gb S-ATA Maxtor D'Max+9 \ 2x512 Corsair XMS PC3200CL2-dual channel \ pioneer DVDRW-107/Lian Li PC-7 [color=navy]Water Setup>>>Maze3>>>Eheim1250>>>Black Ice Extreme>>>Panaflow120mm@2400rpm[/color]

May 31, 2005, 04:56 PM	#3
thegave -=[DHzer0point Team]=- Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 96 Rep Power: 0	noooooo if his memory runs 195mhz at stock and he's setting it to run at 310.5 then that's a 100+mhz overclock.. i'm surprised it runs at all your video card must have very good memory chips or cooling system. i would imagine the speckling you see is being caused by artifacts, probably from the excessive heat your videocard is generating. don't run the core and memory synched, it doesn't give you much if any performance yield. plus the overclockability of the vpu and vram will vary so by synching them you will be limiting your maximum overclock to the weaker component, probably the ram. start again from default and try increasing them slowly by about 5mhz and testing some games to see if its stable or artifacting.

Jun 1, 2005, 07:05 PM	Thread Starter #4
br00ksintexas DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2005 Location: Watauga, Texas (Just N. of Ft. Worth and S. of Keller) Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	I tried the one test that everyone here seems to take to benchmark their video..needless to say, my laptop fell sorely short. Once I sync'd the overclocking, it looked miserable, and blue-screened shortly thereafter. I've re-set the settings in the radlinks i've made back to the original default. I'm going to try doing them like you said, small increments, until it get's better or unstable. Does anyone on forum have a laptop with specs like mine? If so, what are the settings you're running?? Thanks Kevin

Jun 2, 2005, 08:47 AM	#7
thegave -=[DHzer0point Team]=- Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 96 Rep Power: 0	is that an open challenge meaker? ...damnit you have a sonoma... i have a 2.0dothan 100mhz fsb sucks.... that's incredible. your mrX600 smoked my X800XT PE .... crappy kt133a motherboard. it seems i'm always FSB challenged

Jun 2, 2005, 03:04 PM	#9
thegave -=[DHzer0point Team]=- Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 96 Rep Power: 0	yup. i have this crappy desktop and HL2 friggin comes out like a month before i get my laptop so i said to myself i'm going to ENJOY this game so i ran out and bought an X800 to play hl2 with until my lappy arrived. ffs. i didn't even get to the hoverboat with it... and no, of course waiting wasn't an option. if i want to play catchup what would be the best way to do it? what has the most important effect in 3dm01? i have a pm2.0 mr9700 128mb 1024mb ddr400... low timings or high fsb?

Jun 2, 2005, 06:51 PM	#11
thegave -=[DHzer0point Team]=- Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 96 Rep Power: 0	i have a clockgen and a timing tweaker.. i only get temps off the hdd... =\ do you run in to sound problems with your agp/pci bus running so high? Last edited by thegave; Jun 2, 2005 at 07:29 PM.

Jun 2, 2005, 08:36 PM	#12
Meaker #1 INTEL MAINSTREAM Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	Not that I have noticed though I usually mute the sound. What program do you use to adjust timings? __________________ Home: Core 2 DUO @ 2.4ghz \| 2048mb GSKILL 5400 @ 450mhz 5-5-5-12 \| ASROCK P945 A2 based mobo \| ATI Radeon x1650pro \| 17" LCD widescreen \| Hiper Type R 480W PSU \| 250gb seagate HDD \| Uni: Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.8ghz HT on (1.325v) \| 6 Gigs Corsair XMS 3 1333DDR @ 1600DDR 8-8-8-20 1.5v \| Asus P6T-SE @ 200mhz BCLK \|2x Gigabyte HD 4770 Crossfire + Accelero S1s \| 21.6" widescreen LCD \| Sharkoon Rebel 7 + 600W Coolermaster silent PRO \| 2x320GB WD raid edition III Raid 0 \| Razor diamondback G3 Last edited by Meaker; Jun 2, 2005 at 08:53 PM.

Jun 3, 2005, 07:52 AM	#13
thegave -=[DHzer0point Team]=- Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 96 Rep Power: 0	some secret "tweaker" made by the cpuid guys never released for public... originally for the dfi 855gm board but it works on mine so i use it.