3dmark2001se - 9000 mobility

Busbyuk · Jun 5, 2005, 10:16 PM

I have the following laptop:-

Amilo pro 7010
768mb memory
40gig hard drive
ati 9000 with 128mb shared memory

I've tried 3dmark 2001 se which got only "2400"

I've made sure there are no other background programs running and have installed the latest omega drivers wich get the same results.

I'm sure I should be getting more than this although I know the laptop isn't designed for 3d graphics.

Should I be getting more? Any suggestions?

Thanks

Busbyuk · Jun 5, 2005, 11:10 PM

Just thought I'd check the dxdiagnostics.

direct draw seems to work although for some reason it slows down every now and again.

When I click test Direct3d though something strange happens.

Before each test can start it says "You have interupted the test by pressing a key" and then it moves to next test where it says the same thing and so on.

Any ideas?

Busbyuk · Jun 5, 2005, 11:22 PM

found the direct x problem it was my multimedia drivers. doesn't solve the main problem though

Meaker · Jun 6, 2005, 12:16 AM

Might be 200 points low. Looking at the orb the dedicated cards get 8000-9000 then there is a HUGE gulf to 2800 as the highest score which I think is the shared mem cards. Sorry but a mobility 9000 with SHARED gfx mem is not for games, at least not modern ones.

Busbyuk · Jun 6, 2005, 12:46 AM

So it might be about right?

That's cool if it is. I'm not going to be using it for games anyway. Just was worried something was actually wrong with the card or something.

Thanks

Meaker · Jun 6, 2005, 01:13 AM

Looks about right to me.

Busbyuk · Jun 6, 2005, 10:51 AM

Hi.

Just been looking on the orb (good idea by the way) and it looks like mine is scoring way lower than others using my card.

Did you look at 2001 or 2003? It's 2001 it's 2001 I'm getting those rubbish scores in.

Here's an example of one:-

User: nhaynes@btinternet.comRes: 1024x768 32bitOS: Microsoft Windows XP

Date: 2005-1-10CPU: Intel Celeron 1698 MHzGPU: ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000

That cpu is 1ghz slower than mine but scores well over double using exactly the same card.

A lot I saw were scoring triple what I was getting with similar setups.

Any ideas?

ta

Busbyuk · Jun 6, 2005, 11:43 AM

Sorry just realised you were reffering to those with shared memory.

Ahh well.

ta

TJ- · Jun 6, 2005, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Busbyuk

I have the following laptop:-

Amilo pro 7010
768mb memory
40gig hard drive
ati 9000 with 128mb shared memory

I've tried 3dmark 2001 se which got only "2400"

I've made sure there are no other background programs running and have installed the latest omega drivers wich get the same results.

I'm sure I should be getting more than this although I know the laptop isn't designed for 3d graphics.

Should I be getting more? Any suggestions?

Thanks

what cpu does that thing have, cause i get about 2000 with 3dmark03 with the same card...

Busbyuk · Jun 6, 2005, 01:24 PM

2.5ghz celeron

Does your shave shared memory as well?

Thanks

Meaker · Jun 6, 2005, 01:39 PM

My radeon 8500 which is stronger than the 9000 pro desktop card gets 1801 heavily overclocked in 3dmark 03 there is NO WAY he got 2000 in 3dmark 03 with that card. He's either misread or lying. The highest score in 03 on the orb with the 9000 is 1400. He might have a 9600pro/9500

TJ- · Jun 6, 2005, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meaker

My radeon 8500 which is stronger than the 9000 pro desktop card gets 1801 heavily overclocked in 3dmark 03 there is NO WAY he got 2000 in 3dmark 03 with that card. He's either misread or lying. The highest score in 03 on the orb with the 9000 is 1400. He might have a 9600pro/9500

dude i can assure you i didnt misread, last time i tested i got like 1950, and how is your 8500 better that my 9000

Its a 9000/9100 igp 128mb shared overclocked
2.8ghz intel p4
768mb ram
omega 4.12 drivers

Im tempeted to reinstall the damn thig just to prove you wrong!

TJ- · Jun 6, 2005, 02:33 PM

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...p/t-10465.html

*edit, hotlinking didnt work

http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/2...on9000-03.html

Please check your information before you call me a liar!

Busbyuk · Jun 6, 2005, 02:39 PM

So I am getting no where near what I should be or am I?

I'm confused

Thanks

TJ- · Jun 6, 2005, 03:36 PM

well judging by those benchmarks, you should be getting 6000+

Busbyuk · Jun 6, 2005, 03:37 PM

The laptop I shoudl add is brand new out of the box. all i've done is remove the standard drivers for the card and tried both teh latest omega drivers plus the 4.12's.

Direct x seems fine.

I've also ended all useless tasks in task manager. I'm out of ideas.

Thanks

thegave · Jun 6, 2005, 03:43 PM

zion he has a celeron... you have a p4. huge performance difference even ignoring the clockspeed difference.

DrSteve · Jun 6, 2005, 05:09 PM

Busbyuk,
Your score is about right. I had a very similar notebook and did quite a bit of research trying to improve its video performance, but found that the Mobility Radeon 9000 IGP really does have an upper limit of around 3500 points in 3dMark2001 and around 500 in 3dMark2003. CPU isn't a huge factor here, as the video card is what is limiting you.
I found that I was able to get a moderate increase (from around 2600 to 3500 points in 3dMark2001) by:
(1) Installing the latest Omega drivers (performance was maximized for me by the 4.12 version, if I remember correctly).
(2) Going to the ATI website and installing the latest GART and South Bridge drivers (I'm not sure which of the two did the trick). Just look under drivers and then select "Motherboards with ATI Graphics", since your graphics are integrated onto your motherboard.
Rest assured (or alternatively, be disappointed) that your video card is indeed working correctly.
Cheers

Meaker · Jun 6, 2005, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [zi0n]aXe

dude i can assure you i didnt misread, last time i tested i got like 1950, and how is your 8500 better that my 9000

Its a 9000/9100 igp 128mb shared overclocked
2.8ghz intel p4
768mb ram
omega 4.12 drivers

Im tempeted to reinstall the damn thig just to prove you wrong!

Right you have misread you said 3dmark 03 thats very different to the 3dmark 2k1 you actually got that score in. The radeon 8500 has faster memory and 2 texture units per pipeline rather than the 9000's 1. Its one of ATIs more shadier names the 8500LE (light edition) with a lower core and memory clock was renamed 9100 later on. You got 1950 in 3dmark 2k1 and thats less than him.

That review is of a 9000 with dedicated memory, it makes a VERY big difference which to prove my point you have forced me to go into.

Dedicated ram is clocked higher than system ram and is on separate chips with a dedicated link the gfx core giving it it's own separate bandwidth which is more than system ram anyway. Having the GFX as in your case dip into system ram means that some of the bandwidth that the CPU and other devices could be using is swolowed up hurting performance. Also if you have 256mb of ram and a 128mb shared gfx card then half is taken by the gfx and the system itself has effectively 128mb, more ram helps ofc but it still has an effect. You also have the effect of the total bandwidth being less than normal dedicated ram anyway and the system ram being slower.

All in all having shared ram REALLY hurts performance and in games at least even moderatly newer ones dedicated ram is the way to go. Of course technologies like turbo cache and PCI express help but your laptops have none of these. They just plain suck at newer games. Happy now?

Feel free to waste your time trying to beat the following scores:
2k1:
[color=#800080]http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7849219[/color]

03:
[color=#0000ff]http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2086702[/color]

You will fail miserably.

Oh and for refernce this is the highest score ever for a 9000pro DESKTOP CARD (ie better than mobility for OCing) :

[color=#800080]http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3970621[/color]

1598, your claim of beating this with a lower system is actually quite funny.

jack53 · Jan 7, 2006, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Busbyuk

I have the following laptop:-

Amilo pro 7010
768mb memory
40gig hard drive
ati 9000 with 128mb shared memory

I've tried 3dmark 2001 se which got only "2400"

I've made sure there are no other background programs running and have installed the latest omega drivers wich get the same results.

I'm sure I should be getting more than this although I know the laptop isn't designed for 3d graphics.

Should I be getting more? Any suggestions?

Thanks

I don't think my scores are too bad considering that I'm using shared memory with the graphic card @ 128mb.

I got a score of [COLOR="Red"]3666[/COLOR] with the PCMark bench test.
AND
My 3DMark Score [COLOR="Red"]3405 3D marks[/COLOR]
3DMark2001 Project Details
http://1-4u-computer-graphics.com/benchmark1a.htm

TOSHIBA Satellite A75-S209 15.4" TFT
Pentium 4 3.06MHz CPU 532 3067MHz supporting HT Technology
ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 IGP with 128mb ram memory
896MB DDRRAM usable memory, 60GB HD, DVD/CD-RW Combo
Integrated Atheros 802.11 Super G Wireless Chipset
Cooling pad with 4-usb & 9-in-one Flash Memory Card Reader

Jun 5, 2005, 10:16 PM	#1
Busbyuk DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	3dmark2001se - 9000 mobility I have the following laptop:- Amilo pro 7010 768mb memory 40gig hard drive ati 9000 with 128mb shared memory I've tried 3dmark 2001 se which got only "2400" I've made sure there are no other background programs running and have installed the latest omega drivers wich get the same results. I'm sure I should be getting more than this although I know the laptop isn't designed for 3d graphics. Should I be getting more? Any suggestions? Thanks

Jun 6, 2005, 12:16 AM	#4
Meaker #1 INTEL MAINSTREAM Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	Might be 200 points low. Looking at the orb the dedicated cards get 8000-9000 then there is a HUGE gulf to 2800 as the highest score which I think is the shared mem cards. Sorry but a mobility 9000 with SHARED gfx mem is not for games, at least not modern ones. __________________ Home: Core 2 DUO @ 2.4ghz \| 2048mb GSKILL 5400 @ 450mhz 5-5-5-12 \| ASROCK P945 A2 based mobo \| ATI Radeon x1650pro \| 17" LCD widescreen \| Hiper Type R 480W PSU \| 250gb seagate HDD \| Uni: Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.8ghz HT on (1.325v) \| 6 Gigs Corsair XMS 3 1333DDR @ 1600DDR 8-8-8-20 1.5v \| Asus P6T-SE @ 200mhz BCLK \|2x Gigabyte HD 4770 Crossfire + Accelero S1s \| 21.6" widescreen LCD \| Sharkoon Rebel 7 + 600W Coolermaster silent PRO \| 2x320GB WD raid edition III Raid 0 \| Razor diamondback G3

Jun 6, 2005, 01:13 AM	#6
Meaker #1 INTEL MAINSTREAM Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	Looks about right to me. __________________ Home: Core 2 DUO @ 2.4ghz \| 2048mb GSKILL 5400 @ 450mhz 5-5-5-12 \| ASROCK P945 A2 based mobo \| ATI Radeon x1650pro \| 17" LCD widescreen \| Hiper Type R 480W PSU \| 250gb seagate HDD \| Uni: Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.8ghz HT on (1.325v) \| 6 Gigs Corsair XMS 3 1333DDR @ 1600DDR 8-8-8-20 1.5v \| Asus P6T-SE @ 200mhz BCLK \|2x Gigabyte HD 4770 Crossfire + Accelero S1s \| 21.6" widescreen LCD \| Sharkoon Rebel 7 + 600W Coolermaster silent PRO \| 2x320GB WD raid edition III Raid 0 \| Razor diamondback G3

Jun 6, 2005, 10:51 AM	Thread Starter #7
Busbyuk DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Hi. Just been looking on the orb (good idea by the way) and it looks like mine is scoring way lower than others using my card. Did you look at 2001 or 2003? It's 2001 it's 2001 I'm getting those rubbish scores in. Here's an example of one:- User: nhaynes@btinternet.comRes: 1024x768 32bitOS: Microsoft Windows XPDate: 2005-1-10CPU: Intel Celeron 1698 MHzGPU: ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9000 That cpu is 1ghz slower than mine but scores well over double using exactly the same card. A lot I saw were scoring triple what I was getting with similar setups. Any ideas? ta

Jun 6, 2005, 01:39 PM	#11
Meaker #1 INTEL MAINSTREAM Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 0 Rep Power: 0	My radeon 8500 which is stronger than the 9000 pro desktop card gets 1801 heavily overclocked in 3dmark 03 there is NO WAY he got 2000 in 3dmark 03 with that card. He's either misread or lying. The highest score in 03 on the orb with the 9000 is 1400. He might have a 9600pro/9500 __________________ Home: Core 2 DUO @ 2.4ghz \| 2048mb GSKILL 5400 @ 450mhz 5-5-5-12 \| ASROCK P945 A2 based mobo \| ATI Radeon x1650pro \| 17" LCD widescreen \| Hiper Type R 480W PSU \| 250gb seagate HDD \| Uni: Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.8ghz HT on (1.325v) \| 6 Gigs Corsair XMS 3 1333DDR @ 1600DDR 8-8-8-20 1.5v \| Asus P6T-SE @ 200mhz BCLK \|2x Gigabyte HD 4770 Crossfire + Accelero S1s \| 21.6" widescreen LCD \| Sharkoon Rebel 7 + 600W Coolermaster silent PRO \| 2x320GB WD raid edition III Raid 0 \| Razor diamondback G3

Jun 5, 2005, 11:10 PM	Thread Starter #2
Busbyuk DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Just thought I'd check the dxdiagnostics. direct draw seems to work although for some reason it slows down every now and again. When I click test Direct3d though something strange happens. Before each test can start it says "You have interupted the test by pressing a key" and then it moves to next test where it says the same thing and so on. Any ideas?

Jun 5, 2005, 11:22 PM	Thread Starter #3
Busbyuk DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	found the direct x problem it was my multimedia drivers. doesn't solve the main problem though

Jun 6, 2005, 12:46 AM	Thread Starter #5
Busbyuk DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	So it might be about right? That's cool if it is. I'm not going to be using it for games anyway. Just was worried something was actually wrong with the card or something. Thanks

Jun 6, 2005, 11:43 AM	Thread Starter #8
Busbyuk DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Sorry just realised you were reffering to those with shared memory. Ahh well. ta

Jun 6, 2005, 01:24 PM	Thread Starter #10
Busbyuk DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	2.5ghz celeron Does your shave shared memory as well? Thanks

Jun 6, 2005, 02:33 PM	#13
TJ- DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Infinity Posts: 3,679 Rep Power: 0	http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...p/t-10465.html edit, hotlinking didnt work http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/2...on9000-03.html Please check your information before you call me a liar! __________________ new sig comming soon Last edited by [zi0n]aXe; Jun 6, 2005 at 03:37 PM.*

Jun 6, 2005, 02:39 PM	Thread Starter #14
Busbyuk DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	So I am getting no where near what I should be or am I? I'm confused Thanks

Jun 6, 2005, 03:36 PM	#15
TJ- DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Infinity Posts: 3,679 Rep Power: 0	well judging by those benchmarks, you should be getting 6000+ __________________ new sig comming soon

Jun 6, 2005, 03:37 PM	Thread Starter #16
Busbyuk DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	The laptop I shoudl add is brand new out of the box. all i've done is remove the standard drivers for the card and tried both teh latest omega drivers plus the 4.12's. Direct x seems fine. I've also ended all useless tasks in task manager. I'm out of ideas. Thanks

Jun 6, 2005, 03:43 PM	#17
thegave -=[DHzer0point Team]=- Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 96 Rep Power: 0	zion he has a celeron... you have a p4. huge performance difference even ignoring the clockspeed difference.

Jun 6, 2005, 05:09 PM	#18
DrSteve DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Busbyuk, Your score is about right. I had a very similar notebook and did quite a bit of research trying to improve its video performance, but found that the Mobility Radeon 9000 IGP really does have an upper limit of around 3500 points in 3dMark2001 and around 500 in 3dMark2003. CPU isn't a huge factor here, as the video card is what is limiting you. I found that I was able to get a moderate increase (from around 2600 to 3500 points in 3dMark2001) by: (1) Installing the latest Omega drivers (performance was maximized for me by the 4.12 version, if I remember correctly). (2) Going to the ATI website and installing the latest GART and South Bridge drivers (I'm not sure which of the two did the trick). Just look under drivers and then select "Motherboards with ATI Graphics", since your graphics are integrated onto your motherboard. Rest assured (or alternatively, be disappointed) that your video card is indeed working correctly. Cheers