What processor would you choose?

Fantasma · Apr 17, 2006, 01:00 PM

Well, I was thinking in building a pci-e system and my only options for the processor are a Pentium 4 D 805 or an AMD64 3200+, Which would you buy? I was thinking about buying the Intel one because of its dual core and then overclock it.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Apr 17, 2006, 04:43 PM

The AMD one...but why not get a dual core AMD chip?

Fantasma · Apr 17, 2006, 05:43 PM

too expensive, I can spend 200 euros (euro=dollar more or less) in cpu and mobo, mobo can cost about 50-60 euros, the rest is for the cpu, so the best options in the intel and amd side are the ones I have posted, because I prefer a dual core intel cpu at 2,66Ghz than a single core one at 2,8Ghz, and the best cpu at the amd side is the 3200+for that price

Sandok · Apr 17, 2006, 05:45 PM

I vote AMD even though I'm an Intel fan

Ferret_Style · Apr 17, 2006, 06:41 PM

I have been hearing good things about the 805. I am an intel person though as my work requires it.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Apr 17, 2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferret_Style

I have been hearing good things about the 805. I am an intel person though as my work requires it.

What you work for Intel?

The AMD one, dual core or not, will kick the crap out of Intel

Zardon · Apr 17, 2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferret_Style

I have been hearing good things about the 805. I am an intel person though as my work requires it.

I tend to prefer intel solutions, but im not a 100% gamer like most people - more for working and photoshop etc .....

Ferret_Style · Apr 17, 2006, 08:12 PM

Honestly i have 2 friends with AMD and they always have issue with games like wow. I choose stability over speed.

The reason work requires it is due to intel calls in the software that increase the performance. The software is for medical imaging so it has to be 100% stable or FDA gets us

I have tried AMD at friends but i have never had a bad Intel CPU that has been unstable on me so i really have a hard time switching.

Sandok · Apr 17, 2006, 08:19 PM

Yeah I've never had a prob with Intel but AMD is another story....

Lowfat · Apr 17, 2006, 11:15 PM

I'd choose the 805. I've heard good things about it.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Apr 18, 2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferret_Style

I have tried AMD at friends but i have never had a bad Intel CPU that has been unstable on me so i really have a hard time switching.

Then why ask our opinions if you're not likely to switch

I'd blame your friends/the person who built your machine because I have never built an Intel machine for myself and if AMD chips were THAT problematic... 1. They wouldn't have most of the market share in the world today and 2. I'd have gone bald long ago.

PangingJr · Apr 18, 2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

Then why ask our opinions if you're not likely to switch

Fantasma is the one who asks for your opinion, not Ferret_Style.

Ferret_Style gave his opinion just like you.

i would choose the Intel D 805, btw.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Apr 18, 2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PangingJr

Fantasma is the one who asks for your opinion, not Ferret_Style.

Ferret_Style gave his opinion just like you.

Distinction noted and my mistake.

Apologies

Zardon · Apr 18, 2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

I'd blame your friends/the person who built your machine because I have never built an Intel machine for myself and if AMD chips were THAT problematic... 1. They wouldn't have most of the market share in the world today and 2. I'd have gone bald long ago.

That is a little harsh.

Some specialist companies only use intel partly for the reason ferret style mentioned and partly due to the decades of quality processor they have released. There is also an image thing for this market.

I think, in response to the thread starter you need to ask yourself what exactly you are buying a processor for. If it is gaming and nothing else, get the AMD. For all other situations get the dure core intel and overclock it a little.

grog · Apr 18, 2006, 03:59 PM

Intel Pentium D 805 - Dual Core on a Budget
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2736&p=1

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So there you have it, if you are a multitasker or run multithreaded applications, and you want a great low cost solution, then the Pentium D 805 makes a wonderful stepping stone to a future AM2 or Conroe platform. If you're a gamer that doesn't care about multitasking while gaming, the Athlon 64 3000+ is still a strong value. And finally, if you've got the budget for it, the Athlon 64 X2 3800+ still can't be beat.

[Aura]W32Led@mm · Apr 18, 2006, 04:07 PM

AMD FTW. AMD = best processors for gaming. Their value/quality is very high. Go for an AMD processor.

bug77 · Apr 18, 2006, 04:21 PM

Intel would need serious overclocking to keep up with AMD in anything not multithreaded...

Fantasma · Apr 19, 2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bug77

Intel would need serious overclocking to keep up with AMD in anything not multithreaded...

But, in a near future, in games optimized for dual cores would run faster in the intel dual core than in the amd single core wouldn´t it?

H3X4D3C1M4L · Apr 19, 2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fantasma

But, in a near future, in games optimized for dual cores would run faster in the intel dual core than in the amd single core wouldn´t it?

YEah but at that point the next cheapest dual core AMD one will beat the snot out of the comparative Intel solution.

If you're primarily concerned about games get the AMD and overclock it.

~~Alien1~~ · Apr 21, 2006, 07:30 PM

The one is Dual core and the other Single core
They are not exactly the same type of CPUs to make a comparison

Anyway i would avoid any Intel Pentium type processors if i were you

Pentium 4 (and D) architecture is old trash that is going to get extinct forever in some months from now
Intel already is going to release some real fast new CPU architecture at last

dipstick · Apr 21, 2006, 08:20 PM

I've been an AMD whore for quite some time but those Intel dual core cpus are some very-very good OC'ers. And with a nice OC it would give that A64 a good run for its money even with gaming. Tough choice but I think I would grab the Intel and hope for a nice OC(and your chances of getting a nice OC are better with the Intel no doubt)

Retarp · Apr 21, 2006, 08:55 PM

Get the 805. ALT + TAB will thank you!

I wasn't sure either on which to get (AMD 3700+ or P4 640) I'm glad I got the intel. 6 of us were playing AOE III, my friend's computer was at dead stop (AMD 3700 w/2g ram, 7800GT) and I was still chugging along

And I load games faster than all the AMD's I've seen.

I know it's not an apples to apples comparision but it does shed some light on the AMD/INTEL debate.

Judas · Apr 21, 2006, 10:47 PM

not true.. it doesn't shed light on amd/intel debate.. just on the single/dual core debate.

So far i've been able to load up various applications much faster then a comparible intel dual core cpu....

There are some tasks that are just simply purely intel oriented... only seemingly able to probably load across dual cores on intels... but no amds...

namely i would say Photoshop CS2 appears to have a bit of this issue.. it'll crop up.. where both cores are evenly balanced load.. but only say 24% load on one core and 26% on another. (which is 50% total CPU load) Which isn't very accurate of a full result.

But there isn't all that many application like that.. and even when it's not correctly load balancing, the results are quite excellent yet.

Fantasma · Apr 22, 2006, 12:46 AM

I don´t know what to do....
Well, the thing is I´ll use it mainly for gaming but I like multitasking while gaming which should reduce the difference between the processors performance in gaming. Also, I would overclock them. It´s said that the intel D 805 overclocks like crazy. The AMD64 3200+ I could buy is a 0.13micron one instead of the 0.09micron because it´s cheaper in a shop I have found. I couldn´t afford a Venice 3200+ because it´s at 160-165euros and I couldn´t afford a mobo. So the other option is the Venice 3000+ which it´s said that overclocks like crazy.
Any ideas?

amuro · Apr 22, 2006, 02:19 AM

I would say neutral, wait for the new AM2 and Conroe procs to drive prices down and performance up if even slightly, eventually either proc you listed will be on sale for a much lower price in 2 months.

Apr 17, 2006, 01:00 PM	#1
Fantasma HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lorca (Spain) Posts: 757 Rep Power: 63 System Specs	What processor would you choose? Well, I was thinking in building a pci-e system and my only options for the processor are a Pentium 4 D 805 or an AMD64 3200+, Which would you buy? I was thinking about buying the Intel one because of its dual core and then overclock it.

Apr 17, 2006, 11:15 PM	#10
Lowfat Xtreme Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Grande Prairie, AB, Can Posts: 4,254 Rep Power: 101	I'd choose the 805. I've heard good things about it. __________________

Apr 18, 2006, 04:07 PM	#16
[Aura]W32Led@mm DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 285 Rep Power: 0	AMD FTW. AMD = best processors for gaming. Their value/quality is very high. Go for an AMD processor. __________________ 3DMark05 score:7856 3DMark06:3753

Apr 22, 2006, 02:19 AM	#25
amuro DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 147 Rep Power: 0	I would say neutral, wait for the new AM2 and Conroe procs to drive prices down and performance up if even slightly, eventually either proc you listed will be on sale for a much lower price in 2 months. __________________ Intel PIII 1Ghz Slot 1 Intel VC820 P18 Bios 133Mhz FSB 256 PC600 ECC RDRAM Matrox G400 Max 32MB SGRAM AGP4X Rev A modded for AGP 4X enabled Official Matrox Bios update Default Matrox clock speed Win98 SE DirectX6.1a XBox Tech Specs: http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1561&p=1

Apr 17, 2006, 04:43 PM	#2
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	The AMD one...but why not get a dual core AMD chip?

Apr 17, 2006, 05:43 PM	Thread Starter #3
Fantasma HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lorca (Spain) Posts: 757 Rep Power: 63 System Specs	too expensive, I can spend 200 euros (euro=dollar more or less) in cpu and mobo, mobo can cost about 50-60 euros, the rest is for the cpu, so the best options in the intel and amd side are the ones I have posted, because I prefer a dual core intel cpu at 2,66Ghz than a single core one at 2,8Ghz, and the best cpu at the amd side is the 3200+for that price

Apr 17, 2006, 05:45 PM	#4
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	I vote AMD even though I'm an Intel fan

Apr 17, 2006, 08:19 PM	#9
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Yeah I've never had a prob with Intel but AMD is another story....

Apr 18, 2006, 04:21 PM	#17
bug77 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: around Posts: 792 Rep Power: 0	Intel would need serious overclocking to keep up with AMD in anything not multithreaded...

Apr 21, 2006, 07:30 PM	#20
~~Alien1~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Europe Posts: 365 Rep Power: 0	The one is Dual core and the other Single core They are not exactly the same type of CPUs to make a comparison Anyway i would avoid any Intel Pentium type processors if i were you Pentium 4 (and D) architecture is old trash that is going to get extinct forever in some months from now Intel already is going to release some real fast new CPU architecture at last

Apr 21, 2006, 08:20 PM	#21
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	I've been an AMD whore for quite some time but those Intel dual core cpus are some very-very good OC'ers. And with a nice OC it would give that A64 a good run for its money even with gaming. Tough choice but I think I would grab the Intel and hope for a nice OC(and your chances of getting a nice OC are better with the Intel no doubt)

Apr 21, 2006, 08:55 PM	#22
Retarp DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 119 Rep Power: 0	Get the 805. ALT + TAB will thank you! I wasn't sure either on which to get (AMD 3700+ or P4 640) I'm glad I got the intel. 6 of us were playing AOE III, my friend's computer was at dead stop (AMD 3700 w/2g ram, 7800GT) and I was still chugging along And I load games faster than all the AMD's I've seen. I know it's not an apples to apples comparision but it does shed some light on the AMD/INTEL debate.

Apr 22, 2006, 12:46 AM	Thread Starter #24
Fantasma HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lorca (Spain) Posts: 757 Rep Power: 63 System Specs	I don´t know what to do.... Well, the thing is I´ll use it mainly for gaming but I like multitasking while gaming which should reduce the difference between the processors performance in gaming. Also, I would overclock them. It´s said that the intel D 805 overclocks like crazy. The AMD64 3200+ I could buy is a 0.13micron one instead of the 0.09micron because it´s cheaper in a shop I have found. I couldn´t afford a Venice 3200+ because it´s at 160-165euros and I couldn´t afford a mobo. So the other option is the Venice 3000+ which it´s said that overclocks like crazy. Any ideas?