Hard drive stopping with nForce 2.41

Vially · May 20, 2003, 03:00 AM

Hi guys. I have an 8RDA+ and if i restart the comp, with the latest nforce 2 drivers my secondary slave hard drive spins down 1 or 2 secs just before the effective restart, then powers up at the POST screen ? does anyone else has problems like this ?

dipstick · May 20, 2003, 03:04 AM

I have noticed this myself but I only use one drive. I can definitely hear this happening though.

Vially · May 20, 2003, 03:24 AM

Yeah, another "optimisation" from nVidia. Anyone else ? Come on, post quickly, before your hard drive fails

The_Neon_Cowboy · May 20, 2003, 06:07 AM

thanks was geting ready to update and reboot... ill be brave tell you how it goes... if you dont hear from me you know what happend LOL

Edit : i am back it fine now to the benchmarks

fornicatarachnid · May 22, 2003, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kakarot
I have noticed this myself but I only use one drive. I can definitely hear this happening though.

I get this since I installed the new drivers, doesn't seem to cause any problems, it's just a

bit worrying

shuki · May 22, 2003, 07:09 AM

"that hang is the SW IDE drivers parking the drive heads and shutting the motor off...and then turning it back on..."

read that today. dunno how accurate it is but sounds like what was happening on mine until I rolled 'er back...

WyreTheWolf · May 22, 2003, 07:47 AM

I have heard that the new drivers have a fix that fixes the problems with HDD corruption. Maybe this is how nvidia has fixed this problem. Actually parking the drive before a shutdown is a good idea.

Vially · May 22, 2003, 12:31 PM

Yeah, but i don't think my hard drive likes parking its heads 10 times a day, with every restart... Think only that after you install WinXP SP1, you install these drivers and that you'll restart at least 20 times before you have installed all your preferred software. This 100% shortens the hard drive's life. I'm pissed off, I was right buyin an ATI

shuki · May 22, 2003, 01:54 PM

why not just roll back the stinkin IDE driver ??? no biggie.

dipstick · May 22, 2003, 02:29 PM

My system is definitely alittle snappier with the new drivers but the sound it makes at boot doesn't really sound healthy. I rolled back, I suggest you guys do the same. nVidia must be on crack if they think people won't be alittle concerned with this

fornicatarachnid · May 22, 2003, 03:50 PM

I'm gonna keep the new drivers, I was just worried as to what the sound was. Now I

know what it is I'm ok with it, I don't see what harm it will do and as Wyre said it seems

like a good idea.

WyreTheWolf · May 23, 2003, 06:18 AM

Parking the read/write heads does not damage your HDD, Having the drivers force parking of the HDD heads during shutdown, and allowing the motor to spin down on restarts, and shutdowns is just a precaution. I have two old ATA33 1GB HDDs that do this. Because they are programmed to do so. AND THEY ARE STILL WORKING! perfectly I might add!

It might not sound healthy .. but let me ask you this... Would you rather have the heads fully parked, and the the HDD shuts down ... or would you rather have the HDD shutdown with the heads still out on the platter?

Think on that...

eyeguy616 · May 23, 2003, 06:37 AM

Well, aren't harddrives that have been built within like the last ten or fifteen years supposed to not have to spin down and "park"? I still have a couple ancient machines with equally ancient harddrives and these things have landing zones where the heads physically land! Obviously, do this enough times and the drive will burn out, maybe even catch fire! (One of these machines burst into flames while I was using it about six or seven years ago. Becuase of the strange airy conditions inside the box the flames died after a few seconds of burning....) If you didn't have a proper shutdown, the heads would physically land on the platter surface, killing the disk!
I could be wrong....

Anyway, go with what you're comfortable with. I really don't think this'll do anything to the harddrives except cause a reboot to be a tad bit longer. I have yet to experience it since I don't even have an nForce2 board yet....

~eyeguy616

WyreTheWolf · May 23, 2003, 07:16 AM

Let me see if I can get a picture of a modern HDD internals, and the parking mechanism... I will edit this post later after I get a good picture.

Zardon · May 23, 2003, 07:51 AM

I have posted this in the other threads but ill post it here.

the 2.41 Nvidia IDE drivers suffer on most systems 10-25% performance loss. And I found my Hard drives doing all manner of unusual things, none of which seems particularly good to me, certainly not combined with the performance loss anyway.

Nvidia a day after they released the 2.41 set, released the 2.42 set and REMOVED the IDE driver. And they now have WHQL certification. this speaks volumes. Roll back the IDE driver guys, it sucks.

WyreTheWolf · May 23, 2003, 08:08 AM

OOF! 10 - 25% decrease! HOLY CRAP!

fornicatarachnid · May 23, 2003, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WyreTheWolf
OOF! 10 - 25% decrease! HOLY CRAP!

That's what I thought, so I've rolled back

Furious · May 23, 2003, 05:35 PM

I agree, roll 'em back until they get their act together.

May 20, 2003, 03:00 AM	#1
Vially DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	Hard drive stopping with nForce 2.41 Hi guys. I have an 8RDA+ and if i restart the comp, with the latest nforce 2 drivers my secondary slave hard drive spins down 1 or 2 secs just before the effective restart, then powers up at the POST screen ? does anyone else has problems like this ?

May 20, 2003, 06:07 AM	#4
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	thanks was geting ready to update and reboot... ill be brave tell you how it goes... if you dont hear from me you know what happend LOL Edit : i am back it fine now to the benchmarks __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; May 20, 2003 at 06:30 AM.

May 23, 2003, 05:35 PM	#18
Furious I'm blind not deaf!! Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I agree, roll 'em back until they get their act together. __________________

May 20, 2003, 03:04 AM	#2
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	I have noticed this myself but I only use one drive. I can definitely hear this happening though.

May 20, 2003, 03:24 AM	Thread Starter #3
Vially DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, another "optimisation" from nVidia. Anyone else ? Come on, post quickly, before your hard drive fails

May 22, 2003, 07:09 AM	#6
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	"that hang is the SW IDE drivers parking the drive heads and shutting the motor off...and then turning it back on..." read that today. dunno how accurate it is but sounds like what was happening on mine until I rolled 'er back...

May 22, 2003, 07:47 AM	#7
WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cave; Ozark Mountains Posts: 2,110 Rep Power: 0	I have heard that the new drivers have a fix that fixes the problems with HDD corruption. Maybe this is how nvidia has fixed this problem. Actually parking the drive before a shutdown is a good idea.

May 22, 2003, 12:31 PM	Thread Starter #8
Vially DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, but i don't think my hard drive likes parking its heads 10 times a day, with every restart... Think only that after you install WinXP SP1, you install these drivers and that you'll restart at least 20 times before you have installed all your preferred software. This 100% shortens the hard drive's life. I'm pissed off, I was right buyin an ATI

May 22, 2003, 01:54 PM	#9
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	why not just roll back the stinkin IDE driver ??? no biggie.

May 22, 2003, 02:29 PM	#10
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	My system is definitely alittle snappier with the new drivers but the sound it makes at boot doesn't really sound healthy. I rolled back, I suggest you guys do the same. nVidia must be on crack if they think people won't be alittle concerned with this

May 22, 2003, 03:50 PM	#11
fornicatarachnid Clanless Join Date: May 2002 Location: On the web, England UK Posts: 714 Rep Power: 0	I'm gonna keep the new drivers, I was just worried as to what the sound was. Now I know what it is I'm ok with it, I don't see what harm it will do and as Wyre said it seems like a good idea.

May 23, 2003, 06:18 AM	#12
WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cave; Ozark Mountains Posts: 2,110 Rep Power: 0	Parking the read/write heads does not damage your HDD, Having the drivers force parking of the HDD heads during shutdown, and allowing the motor to spin down on restarts, and shutdowns is just a precaution. I have two old ATA33 1GB HDDs that do this. Because they are programmed to do so. AND THEY ARE STILL WORKING! perfectly I might add! It might not sound healthy .. but let me ask you this... Would you rather have the heads fully parked, and the the HDD shuts down ... or would you rather have the HDD shutdown with the heads still out on the platter? Think on that...

May 23, 2003, 06:37 AM	#13
eyeguy616 ZZzzzzzzzzzz........... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 324 Rep Power: 0	Well, aren't harddrives that have been built within like the last ten or fifteen years supposed to not have to spin down and "park"? I still have a couple ancient machines with equally ancient harddrives and these things have landing zones where the heads physically land! Obviously, do this enough times and the drive will burn out, maybe even catch fire! (One of these machines burst into flames while I was using it about six or seven years ago. Becuase of the strange airy conditions inside the box the flames died after a few seconds of burning....) If you didn't have a proper shutdown, the heads would physically land on the platter surface, killing the disk! I could be wrong.... Anyway, go with what you're comfortable with. I really don't think this'll do anything to the harddrives except cause a reboot to be a tad bit longer. I have yet to experience it since I don't even have an nForce2 board yet.... ~eyeguy616

May 23, 2003, 07:16 AM	#14
WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cave; Ozark Mountains Posts: 2,110 Rep Power: 0	Let me see if I can get a picture of a modern HDD internals, and the parking mechanism... I will edit this post later after I get a good picture.

May 23, 2003, 07:51 AM	#15
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	I have posted this in the other threads but ill post it here. the 2.41 Nvidia IDE drivers suffer on most systems 10-25% performance loss. And I found my Hard drives doing all manner of unusual things, none of which seems particularly good to me, certainly not combined with the performance loss anyway. Nvidia a day after they released the 2.41 set, released the 2.42 set and REMOVED the IDE driver. And they now have WHQL certification. this speaks volumes. Roll back the IDE driver guys, it sucks.

May 23, 2003, 08:08 AM	#16
WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cave; Ozark Mountains Posts: 2,110 Rep Power: 0	OOF! 10 - 25% decrease! HOLY CRAP!