[Randomletters]

Soo many to chose from, I do have a few things in mind but even when I enter my parameters into neweggs search im still left with way too many results. If anyone has the time to reccomend a good mobo/proc combo that would be great, heres what i have in mind.

P4 or AMD 64 (doesnt really matter) (future upgradibility a big must)
3ghz or comparable (overclockability would be nice) (future upgradibility a big must)
PCI-E (no sli, i do have a new psu but i dont think its sli certified)
DDR2

$400 +/- a few bucks

Any links to products would be much appriciated.

Heres what i have in mind:

mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813127189
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131534

Proc
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116197

[Randomletters]

im gonna go with the P5WD2 and that proc I guess the fatal1ty mobo is gettin kinda old now? id like to have something thatll keep me goin for a couple years

[Lowfat]

can you hold out a month or two?

975x chipsets are starting to ship out. and Presler and Cedar Mill CPU'sare for sale in january, which are far superior to any current generation Pentium 4 chip. the Presler is a dual-chip (uses a seperate 2MB cache for each chip) 65nm chip. It still uses NetBurst, but the 65nm helps a lot with heat, and they OC damn well compared to Prescotts.

[Tipstaff]

Originally Posted by Tulcakelume

can you hold out a month or two?

975x chipsets are starting to ship out. and Presler and Cedar Mill CPU'sare for sale in january, which are far superior to any current generation Pentium 4 chip. the Presler is a dual-chip (uses a seperate 2MB cache for each chip) 65nm chip. It still uses NetBurst, but the 65nm helps a lot with heat, and they OC damn well compared to Prescotts.

I wouldn't wait for the 975x chipset unless you were looking to use SLI/Crossfire. Same goes with the 955 board. Also, I'd stay away from the 925 boards, otherwise your stuck with a max memory bus of 533mhz. Instead I would look at picking up a 945 chipped board such as the Asus P5LD2 Deluxe, which supports memory timings of 1066, 800, and 533mhz.

Only problem is that Intel right now that they are still in a chipset shortage, and there is really no sign of letting up. It's getting really hard to get boards that use their chipsets unless you get them from a compnay you'd never buy from in the first place.

[g35x]

well it depends on your budget......but i say go with whatever athlon 64 u can afford...3700+ is real good... (unless ur OCing,then get an opteron) and an nforce 4 mobo....i hear they're good....im gona get
[color=red]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157081[/color]
so i can use my agp x800xl until i get a pcie card and.....
[color=red]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103596[/color]
or u can just stay with intel and let me win AMD pro stock

[Randomletters]

I dont really want to wait too long currently im paying 40/week for this computer and would like to get rid of it asap but i cant go without one. That asus tipstaff linked too looks good and is affordable, plus they have a refurbed one for around 40 dollars off

G35x, I thought mobos with both agp and pci wernt any good? I definately dont have any use for the agp half.

So with the board out of the way all i need is to decide the processor , so about a Pentium 4 640 800mhz fsb (should i look for something with a 1066fsb?)

[H3X4D3C1M4L]

I'd get an Opteron 165 then overclock the begger to high hell.

Probably a DFI mobo.

Just my opinion.

[Randomletters]

yea looks nice but i dont have the 350 for a proc alone that Asus P5LD2 supports 64bit p4's right?

[g35x]

nah,i hear good things about that asrock,but hey ya never know unless u try and i dont fell like getting a new mobo when i go pcie

[Tipstaff]

Originally Posted by g35x

nah,i hear good things about that asrock,but hey ya never know unless u try and i dont fell like getting a new mobo when i go pcie

That AsRock board is really nice. Very stable, and the AGP and PCIE buses are full speed unike the Intel dual boards which limit the speed on the AGP and PCIE to 1/2 normal. Plus, unlike the Intel boards there is no limitation to what video card you can use (Intel dual boards have a specific list of compatible cards).

Originally Posted by Randomletters

yea looks nice but i dont have the 350 for a proc alone that Asus P5LD2 supports 64bit p4's right?

Yep, that board does. I should point out that the P5LD2 Deluxe which I linked to has dual PCIE 16x graphics slots, however they also have a P5LD2 non deluxe board that has only 1 PCIE x16 video slot. The difference in price can be anywhere from $50 to $100 between the 2 boards depending on where you buy it. However, I've used both boards, and I personally like the quality of the Deluxe board. It's just better built, and uses better componets/capacitors.

As for processor, if money is tight I would go with the P4 630 which is a 3.0Ghz processor with 2mb cache. Going by Neweggs pricing it's about $51 cheaper than the 640.

Of note: make sure you get yourself a well ventilated case as the 2mb cache processors can get pretty hot, and you will find that the motherboard will ramp up the fan speed to try to cool it down. Problem is that the stock Intel fan can get pretty loud at full speed, so a well ventilated case will help to reduce the need for the mobo to ramp things up.

[Randomletters]

Originally Posted by Tipstaff

That AsRock board is really nice. Very stable, and the AGP and PCIE buses are full speed unike the Intel dual boards which limit the speed on the AGP and PCIE to 1/2 normal. Plus, unlike the Intel boards there is no limitation to what video card you can use (Intel dual boards have a specific list of compatible cards).



Yep, that board does. I should point out that the P5LD2 Deluxe which I linked to has dual PCIE 16x graphics slots, however they also have a P5LD2 non deluxe board that has only 1 PCIE x16 video slot. The difference in price can be anywhere from $50 to $100 between the 2 boards depending on where you buy it. However, I've used both boards, and I personally like the quality of the Deluxe board. It's just better built, and uses better componets/capacitors.

As for processor, if money is tight I would go with the P4 630 which is a 3.0Ghz processor with 2mb cache. Going by Neweggs pricing it's about $51 cheaper than the 640.

Of note: make sure you get yourself a well ventilated case as the 2mb cache processors can get pretty hot, and you will find that the motherboard will ramp up the fan speed to try to cool it down. Problem is that the stock Intel fan can get pretty loud at full speed, so a well ventilated case will help to reduce the need for the mobo to ramp things up.

Cool ill definately look into the p4 630, do you know if its still a decent over clocker? I plan on using the stock HSF for now but i will be picking up the Thermaltake jungle 512. I am picking up a cheapo case but it does come with 2 intake fans and 2 exhaust ports i picked up 10 fans a couple weeks back so i plan to have all 4 doing intake, plus a couple exhaust fans on the top. currently the non deluxe is the same price as the refurbed deluxe on newegg. I wont be picking up one of the 2 part until atleast next week so i guess it all depends on which one is available at the time.

[Tipstaff]

It should overclock nicely, but just remember this: it can be power hungry. Knowing that, make sure you get yourself a very good, very stable power supply (not a cheap one), as well as very good ram that can handle the FSB stresses.

In fact, give THIS page a looksee. Make note of what they did to get the system stable, and of the potential performance of that chip.

[Randomletters]

ill be going with the psu in my sig, appearently ill need to buy new ram as the board i want uses ddr2 667 This is starting to become more expensive then i thought, i dont think its going to happen.

[Tipstaff]

Originally Posted by Randomletters

ill be going with the psu in my sig, appearently ill need to buy new ram as the board i want uses ddr2 667 This is starting to become more expensive then i thought, i dont think its going to happen.

Actually the P5LD2 supports 400, 533, and 667mhz DDR2. It's better to have the fastest ram possible for that board if you are going to do major overclocking, but until you can actually afford it you can still use what you have. Just means you'd have to put off doing some serious overclocking for a while.

[Randomletters]

good to hear, the plans back on

[Tipstaff]

Originally Posted by Randomletters

good to hear, the plans back on