PNY GeForce FX 5800 should I return it?

Peterous · Jun 23, 2003, 09:20 PM

Hi Everyone,

I really do need some advice because having built a system that I hope to last me the next year or so its turns out that I have a performance issue that is really bugging me and I am hoping there are guys here who can enlighten me.

First and foremost I am a keen Everquest player, secondly I also appreciate that in the following results that network connectivity could have a bearing however I am approaching this from a flat tests perspective. I upgraded from a GeForce3 Ti200 to a GeForce FX 5800. The problem I am looking at is graphics card peformance (which during EQ gameplay stutters to a halt using the 5800). I have since heard rumors about the 5800 that send shivers down my spine with regards to performance.

okay, first my system build is :

Chaintech 7NJS Motherboard
AMD XP2200+
2x 512Mb PC2700 333Mhz memory (one in the 3rd slot of the mobo as recommended for best performance)
Maxtor 7200rpm ATA100 HDD
500watt power supply
48x CD/RW
DVD Rom
Soundblaster Audigy sound card

Windows XP SP 1

All the IRQ's are individual apart from sharing the PCI bridge.

Running 3dmark2001 se (thanks to a friend for this bit) I get the following results

The tests are with the latest detonator drivers 44.65 which are currently beta, reason is because I cant seem to get the right results even with the last set of WHQL drivers 44.03.

I have set the driver intellisample to Quality, AA and Anisotropic to application in both cases. Having done this I ran the full suite of tests, I also pulled the average performance for these cards from the web resources could muster overall there seems to be a 20-30% loss of performance which I cannot seem to determine and I get the following benchmarks

----------------------------------Geforce3--------GeforceFX 5800
Web Average (FPS)-----------7862---------------11572
My results (FPS)----------------5682-----------------8944

Another notable element is I have 333mhz memory and yet I cant seem to set the motherboard FSB to 166Mhz in the bios without it needing a bios reset to get it back again.

Latest bios upgrade for the Mobo has been applied which fixed a crash bug problem it previously had.

As you might already have observed I am not a tweaker and just would like the appropriate performance for my hard earned cash.

Any ideas anyone?

Any recommendations appreciated.

'If at first you dont suceed. "upgrade"'

Peterous · Jun 23, 2003, 09:34 PM

For FPS in the above read 3Dmark rating

'If at first you dont suceed. "upgrade"'

Peterous · Jun 25, 2003, 04:08 PM

Okay Guys save any feedback,

Just loaded up a Radeon 9800 Pro, I think the question has an answer, which is really sad . Been an Nvidia follower for years, first time I have taken to even looking at a Radeon but I have to agree with the sentiment that it is streets ahead of the FX I have like 3000 performance points difference with no other change but swapping the card and drivers.

Well for the moment approx a year in my case I have to wave ta ta Nvidia and perhaps see you when you have a card for the oncoming PCIx format.

&

'If at first you dont suceed. "upgrade"'

toddsmack2k · Jun 25, 2003, 04:10 PM

Welcome to Driverheaven and welcome to ATI!

Kgentatszu] · Jun 25, 2003, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peterous
Okay Guys save any feedback,

Just loaded up a Radeon 9800 Pro, I think the question has an answer, which is really sad . Been an Nvidia follower for years, first time I have taken to even looking at a Radeon but I have to agree with the sentiment that it is streets ahead of the FX I have like 3000 performance points difference with no other change but swapping the card and drivers.

Well for the moment approx a year in my case I have to wave ta ta Nvidia and perhaps see you when you have a card for the oncoming PCIx format.

&

'If at first you dont suceed. "upgrade"'

well, pete, that happened to me too, i used to be an NVidiot, not knowing what's happening outside the world, and since i joined, i realised tons of new stuff which in the end i made the decision to give it a try on the latest Radeon series, and ya' know what, it didnt even disappoint me a bit, especially when you have the catalyst maker himself on the board which we can get help immediately........

Oh~ welcome to DH and welcome to ATI
ATI [SIZE=xx-large]RULEZZZZ[/SIZE]

Peterous · Jun 25, 2003, 05:50 PM

Thanks for the welcome Guys,

I'm not much of a tweaker generally once the drivers are loaded thats it, the funny thing is I was recommending the Radeon based on what I had gleaned before hand and still <slaps head> brought a FX hehe.

Well now the room has been cleansed and pacified. Heres to the future.

'If at first you dont suceed. "upgrade"'

Kgentatszu] · Jun 25, 2003, 05:54 PM

so, what actually happened to that FX??----------------------------->if at first you dont upgrade. you "fail"....

by the way mate, you mentioned that the 3rd slot is better for the ram, right??? why is that so?? and does that apply to my mobo too??

Peterous · Jun 26, 2003, 02:00 AM

Maxwell1234

FX Card:

I spent hours trying to get the best results from the FX, drivers, settings in the driver, move other cards in the slots etc etc etc litrally hours and the performance continued to be useless against the references I was getting from friends with thier Radeons and also quotes on the web for FPS and performance. So it went back, got a radeon instead, stripped existing drivers, installed new card and drivers viola worked first time a treat, no messing about and performance as quoted by my associates. (fingers crossed it stays that way) btw the perfomance difference for me was approx 30% I was really frustrated because a lot of net references showed at worst 5% difference.

I generally spend a lot of time tryin to make things work, but once I reach a dead end in things to try its time to give up. However at the same time of late I have been getting very tired of trying the same things over, its time a standard was stuck to in other words build one that goes (mass market if you will) and for the others who want the added few gizmos or like to tweak around give them another product/version and caviate it on the box no whinging you brought this product knowing you was going to tweak and fiddle with it. (btw I do lot of whinging, screaming and shouting while I'm trying to get someting working, but if all goes quite you know it works well)

Would be nice to see hassel free mainstream products especially for online gaming the games get upgraded then the cards then the game so on so forth and they and I am spending money on customer sat (I have 3 Kids, customers if you will) when it would better be spent on better product. perhaps its time to move to a console for me and park it next to my zimmer frame.

For me It was a future proof upgrade for the next year or so (upgrade from a GeForce 3 Ti200 which finally ran out of steam)

Memory:

the 3rd slot used for RAM is something I read in the Chaintech 7NJS manual which says and I quote

'Note! For maximised Dual-channel (128bit) result, you must install one of your two memory modules on DDR3'

DDR3 is the mobo label for slot 3 of the 3 DDR slots this motherboard has. If there is a performance increase I cannot tell but hey if the manual says so then it must be true.

Okay I know probably my fault for reading the manual hehe

Hope that helps

'If at first you dont suceed, "upgrade"' <---- wishful thinking on my part

DeathBringer · Jul 14, 2003, 11:11 PM

I'm just the opposite. I got rid of my Radeon 9700 Pro and got a FX 5900 Ultra. I was always an NVidia fan and tried ATI. I hated the card. Maybe I could have waited for the newer Cat drivers, but couldn't. So I went back to NVidia. I never have any more problems graphics wise and is now stable as can be. So, I guess...to each his own. Don't get me wrong, ATI is not bad card at all, but on my system, I just get better performance from NV.

3D Marks 03 6101

P4 3.06 Ghz
Soyo P4X400 - Dragon Ultra Platinum
1Gig PC3200 Corsair XMS series 400Mhz DDR
PNY GeForce FX 5900 Ultra 256 MB
Win XP SP1
SB Audigy Gamer
Maxtor 80GB x 4

Peterous · Jul 15, 2003, 10:45 AM

Could well be the case, I have not tried the 5900FX only the 5800FX so guess improvements made. Although I did get a chance to put the NVIDIA in an INTEL box and it worked first time no problems what so ever. Maybe the industry is still favoring Intel as the platform of choice so next year perhaps its an upgrade to the Intel platform for hassle and not necessarily comparible performance free computing. maybe the solutions look a little like the following chart.

Intel + Nvidia = OK
AMD + Nvidia = Hmmm.
Intel + Radeon = Hmmm.
AMD + Radeon = OK

Now if we can get a similar trend for motherboard, audio, I/O, O/S etc then may have it cracked.

Either way good to hear you have a good working solution working for you.

Kgentatszu] · Jul 15, 2003, 11:03 AM

anyway, DeathBringer, what's your 3d2k1 like??

DeathBringer · Jul 21, 2003, 01:07 AM

I hadn't ran it on 3d2k1 yet. I ran it on 3d Marks 03 and scored 6101. BTW, Peterous, I did read somewhere that NVidia does have some issues on VIA chipsets. Like mine, I have a Soyo Dragon Ultra w/VIA P4X400. Had to make some BIOS adjustments for it to stablize. I am getting ready to purchase an ASUS/Gigabyte w/P875 chipset.

DB

Peterous · Jul 21, 2003, 09:58 AM

Hi Deathbringer,

Sorry maybe I should clarify my earlier post, when I said Intel box I meant an intel processor based motherboard, in this case it is the ASUS P4B266 Motherboard that the Nvidia 5800FX works fine with.

Cant comment on VIA Chipset not had any personnel experience for a Nvidia VIA combination.

The two combinations with which I tried the 5800FX was

Chaintech 7NJS (Nvidia Chipset) AMD Processor Motherboard (XP2200+)
ASUS P4B266 (Intel Chipset) Intel Processor Motherboard (P4 2Ghz)

my experience was that the NVidia 5800FX Just would not perform on the Chaintech at all (my prefered platform) it would run but for some reason the performance and 3Dmark tests showed it well below performance averages.

Having plugged the Nvidia card into the ASUS Motherboard I had to make no adjustments at all to get it to perform to performance averages.

When I refer to performance averages I mean that I trawled around the net looking for performance figures and averaged then out for the platform and therefore gave myself a guide as to what I should expect from my combination of build in relation to what other people had reported.

Just to clarify further Both platform builds are the same as in they are both running XP Home, have the same memory, have all the latest WHQL drivers, same audio etc. So the differences quite literally comes down to Motherboard chipset and Processor. My tests are untweaked so I kind of expect it to do what it says on the tin.

Hope this helps

mainman · Jul 23, 2003, 06:17 AM

JUST SELL THE CARD AND BUY AN ATI!!!!

dohcmark8 · Jul 24, 2003, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mainman
JUST SELL THE CARD AND BUY AN ATI!!!!

Jun 23, 2003, 09:20 PM	#1
Peterous DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	PNY GeForce FX 5800 should I return it? Hi Everyone, I really do need some advice because having built a system that I hope to last me the next year or so its turns out that I have a performance issue that is really bugging me and I am hoping there are guys here who can enlighten me. First and foremost I am a keen Everquest player, secondly I also appreciate that in the following results that network connectivity could have a bearing however I am approaching this from a flat tests perspective. I upgraded from a GeForce3 Ti200 to a GeForce FX 5800. The problem I am looking at is graphics card peformance (which during EQ gameplay stutters to a halt using the 5800). I have since heard rumors about the 5800 that send shivers down my spine with regards to performance. okay, first my system build is : Chaintech 7NJS Motherboard AMD XP2200+ 2x 512Mb PC2700 333Mhz memory (one in the 3rd slot of the mobo as recommended for best performance) Maxtor 7200rpm ATA100 HDD 500watt power supply 48x CD/RW DVD Rom Soundblaster Audigy sound card Windows XP SP 1 All the IRQ's are individual apart from sharing the PCI bridge. Running 3dmark2001 se (thanks to a friend for this bit) I get the following results The tests are with the latest detonator drivers 44.65 which are currently beta, reason is because I cant seem to get the right results even with the last set of WHQL drivers 44.03. I have set the driver intellisample to Quality, AA and Anisotropic to application in both cases. Having done this I ran the full suite of tests, I also pulled the average performance for these cards from the web resources could muster overall there seems to be a 20-30% loss of performance which I cannot seem to determine and I get the following benchmarks ----------------------------------Geforce3--------GeforceFX 5800 Web Average (FPS)-----------7862---------------11572 My results (FPS)----------------5682-----------------8944 Another notable element is I have 333mhz memory and yet I cant seem to set the motherboard FSB to 166Mhz in the bios without it needing a bios reset to get it back again. Latest bios upgrade for the Mobo has been applied which fixed a crash bug problem it previously had. As you might already have observed I am not a tweaker and just would like the appropriate performance for my hard earned cash. Any ideas anyone? Any recommendations appreciated. 'If at first you dont suceed. "upgrade"'

Jun 23, 2003, 09:34 PM	Thread Starter #2
Peterous DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Doh! For FPS in the above read 3Dmark rating 'If at first you dont suceed. "upgrade"'

Jun 25, 2003, 04:10 PM	#4
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	Welcome to Driverheaven and welcome to ATI! __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Jun 25, 2003, 05:54 PM	#7
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	so, what actually happened to that FX??----------------------------->if at first you dont upgrade. you "fail".... by the way mate, you mentioned that the 3rd slot is better for the ram, right??? why is that so?? and does that apply to my mobo too?? Last edited by Kgentatszu]; Jun 25, 2003 at 06:12 PM.

Jul 14, 2003, 11:11 PM	#9
DeathBringer DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 21 Rep Power: 0	I'm just the opposite. I got rid of my Radeon 9700 Pro and got a FX 5900 Ultra. I was always an NVidia fan and tried ATI. I hated the card. Maybe I could have waited for the newer Cat drivers, but couldn't. So I went back to NVidia. I never have any more problems graphics wise and is now stable as can be. So, I guess...to each his own. Don't get me wrong, ATI is not bad card at all, but on my system, I just get better performance from NV. 3D Marks 03 6101 P4 3.06 Ghz Soyo P4X400 - Dragon Ultra Platinum 1Gig PC3200 Corsair XMS series 400Mhz DDR PNY GeForce FX 5900 Ultra 256 MB Win XP SP1 SB Audigy Gamer Maxtor 80GB x 4 __________________ [color=red]P4 3.2Ghz[/color] \|[color=yellow] Abit IC7-G[/color] \|[color=orange] ATI X800 PRO256MB[/color] 1 Gig XMS PC3200C2 \| SB Audigy Gamer \| Saitek x45 \| 8xWD 80Gig 7200

Jun 25, 2003, 04:08 PM	Thread Starter #3
Peterous DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Okay Guys save any feedback, Just loaded up a Radeon 9800 Pro, I think the question has an answer, which is really sad . Been an Nvidia follower for years, first time I have taken to even looking at a Radeon but I have to agree with the sentiment that it is streets ahead of the FX I have like 3000 performance points difference with no other change but swapping the card and drivers. Well for the moment approx a year in my case I have to wave ta ta Nvidia and perhaps see you when you have a card for the oncoming PCIx format. & 'If at first you dont suceed. "upgrade"'

Jun 25, 2003, 05:50 PM	Thread Starter #6
Peterous DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the welcome Guys, I'm not much of a tweaker generally once the drivers are loaded thats it, the funny thing is I was recommending the Radeon based on what I had gleaned before hand and still <slaps head> brought a FX hehe. Well now the room has been cleansed and pacified. Heres to the future. 'If at first you dont suceed. "upgrade"'

Jun 26, 2003, 02:00 AM	Thread Starter #8
Peterous DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Maxwell1234 FX Card: I spent hours trying to get the best results from the FX, drivers, settings in the driver, move other cards in the slots etc etc etc litrally hours and the performance continued to be useless against the references I was getting from friends with thier Radeons and also quotes on the web for FPS and performance. So it went back, got a radeon instead, stripped existing drivers, installed new card and drivers viola worked first time a treat, no messing about and performance as quoted by my associates. (fingers crossed it stays that way) btw the perfomance difference for me was approx 30% I was really frustrated because a lot of net references showed at worst 5% difference. I generally spend a lot of time tryin to make things work, but once I reach a dead end in things to try its time to give up. However at the same time of late I have been getting very tired of trying the same things over, its time a standard was stuck to in other words build one that goes (mass market if you will) and for the others who want the added few gizmos or like to tweak around give them another product/version and caviate it on the box no whinging you brought this product knowing you was going to tweak and fiddle with it. (btw I do lot of whinging, screaming and shouting while I'm trying to get someting working, but if all goes quite you know it works well) Would be nice to see hassel free mainstream products especially for online gaming the games get upgraded then the cards then the game so on so forth and they and I am spending money on customer sat (I have 3 Kids, customers if you will) when it would better be spent on better product. perhaps its time to move to a console for me and park it next to my zimmer frame. For me It was a future proof upgrade for the next year or so (upgrade from a GeForce 3 Ti200 which finally ran out of steam) Memory: the 3rd slot used for RAM is something I read in the Chaintech 7NJS manual which says and I quote 'Note! For maximised Dual-channel (128bit) result, you must install one of your two memory modules on DDR3' DDR3 is the mobo label for slot 3 of the 3 DDR slots this motherboard has. If there is a performance increase I cannot tell but hey if the manual says so then it must be true. Okay I know probably my fault for reading the manual hehe Hope that helps 'If at first you dont suceed, "upgrade"' <---- wishful thinking on my part

Jul 15, 2003, 10:45 AM	Thread Starter #10
Peterous DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Could well be the case, I have not tried the 5900FX only the 5800FX so guess improvements made. Although I did get a chance to put the NVIDIA in an INTEL box and it worked first time no problems what so ever. Maybe the industry is still favoring Intel as the platform of choice so next year perhaps its an upgrade to the Intel platform for hassle and not necessarily comparible performance free computing. maybe the solutions look a little like the following chart. Intel + Nvidia = OK AMD + Nvidia = Hmmm. Intel + Radeon = Hmmm. AMD + Radeon = OK Now if we can get a similar trend for motherboard, audio, I/O, O/S etc then may have it cracked. Either way good to hear you have a good working solution working for you.

Jul 15, 2003, 11:03 AM	#11
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	anyway, DeathBringer, what's your 3d2k1 like??

Jul 21, 2003, 01:07 AM	#12
DeathBringer DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 21 Rep Power: 0	I hadn't ran it on 3d2k1 yet. I ran it on 3d Marks 03 and scored 6101. BTW, Peterous, I did read somewhere that NVidia does have some issues on VIA chipsets. Like mine, I have a Soyo Dragon Ultra w/VIA P4X400. Had to make some BIOS adjustments for it to stablize. I am getting ready to purchase an ASUS/Gigabyte w/P875 chipset. DB

Jul 21, 2003, 09:58 AM	Thread Starter #13
Peterous DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Hi Deathbringer, Sorry maybe I should clarify my earlier post, when I said Intel box I meant an intel processor based motherboard, in this case it is the ASUS P4B266 Motherboard that the Nvidia 5800FX works fine with. Cant comment on VIA Chipset not had any personnel experience for a Nvidia VIA combination. The two combinations with which I tried the 5800FX was Chaintech 7NJS (Nvidia Chipset) AMD Processor Motherboard (XP2200+) ASUS P4B266 (Intel Chipset) Intel Processor Motherboard (P4 2Ghz) my experience was that the NVidia 5800FX Just would not perform on the Chaintech at all (my prefered platform) it would run but for some reason the performance and 3Dmark tests showed it well below performance averages. Having plugged the Nvidia card into the ASUS Motherboard I had to make no adjustments at all to get it to perform to performance averages. When I refer to performance averages I mean that I trawled around the net looking for performance figures and averaged then out for the platform and therefore gave myself a guide as to what I should expect from my combination of build in relation to what other people had reported. Just to clarify further Both platform builds are the same as in they are both running XP Home, have the same memory, have all the latest WHQL drivers, same audio etc. So the differences quite literally comes down to Motherboard chipset and Processor. My tests are untweaked so I kind of expect it to do what it says on the tin. Hope this helps

Jul 23, 2003, 06:17 AM	#14
mainman Mr. Nobody Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: OmniPresent Nightwatcher Posts: 5,961 Rep Power: 71	JUST SELL THE CARD AND BUY AN ATI!!!! __________________