NVIDIA vs RADEON

mbjork · Nov 9, 2003, 01:08 PM

I don't really know so much about 3D card but I hate when the whole world says: RADEON, RADEON, RADEON, RADEON. It annoys me, I don't think they know a shit, they just buy is because of the advertising of and they havent tried any Nvidia cards, so all of you Nvidia fans in the world, DO NOT GIVE UP, WE WILL CRUSH RADEON!!!

apathy · Nov 9, 2003, 02:10 PM

Well I've had them both, I was running a 9700pro for a while, saw that nvidia came out with a 5950 ultra and thought I would give it a shot.
It cost $500 but was not even as fast as the 9700pro was, it was better at gl based games but overall it was not really an upgrade at all.
Took it back and traded it in on a 9800xt, perfectly happy with that card.
I'm not biased toward either company, in fact I really wished that the nvidia card was a better performer because it looked so cool lol

rawbone · Nov 10, 2003, 01:44 AM

So you've tried them both and the quality for and OpenGL game looks better with the Nvidia card? How much better?

HsuGotaQ · Nov 10, 2003, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by mbjork
I don't really know so much about 3D card but I hate when the whole world says: RADEON, RADEON, RADEON, RADEON. It annoys me, I don't think they know a shit, they just buy is because of the advertising of and they havent tried any Nvidia cards, so all of you Nvidia fans in the world, DO NOT GIVE UP, WE WILL CRUSH RADEON!!!

Dude!? Your taking the videocard market to much at heart mate. What is important at any moment of any market is to have a card that A) Pleases you (not the other people around you), B) Does the job you want it to do, and finally C) Will not make you become a hermit. Guessing by your post, you seemed to have the great characteristics of someone that might be glued too many hours a day in front of a monitor. I've tried on both "sides" and others (I really did like playing around with a Wildcat last year and obviously my other 3 voodoo's) and I choose my card based on it's caracteristics, before it was 3DFX, then Nvidia and now ATI, but tomorrow will surely be different. Why so much rage mate? (or better yet, why even say something like this?)

Side note : I really did your nick man. I'm a great Bjork fan!

***Veridian3*** · Nov 10, 2003, 02:25 AM

Having tried various cards from both brands i can tell you the NV cards have better drivers for OpenGL....not really a lot of image quality difference but more speed and less bugs.

bocybo · Nov 10, 2003, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mbjork
I don't really know so much about 3D card but I hate when the whole world says: RADEON, RADEON, RADEON, RADEON. It annoys me, I don't think they know a shit, they just buy is because of the advertising of and they havent tried any Nvidia cards, so all of you Nvidia fans in the world, DO NOT GIVE UP, WE WILL CRUSH RADEON!!!

Somebody hasn't been following the video card market for the past year.....

Chaos · Nov 10, 2003, 02:36 AM

I too have cards from both companies, two years ago I would have said go nvidia for most things but today it's hard to recommend their cards. Even if they do have better OpenGL performance the majority of "new" games use Direct X as their API and ATi have them hands down in that department, so that could be why you hear Radeon everywhere you go

mainman · Nov 10, 2003, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mbjork
I don't really know so much about 3D card but I hate when the whole world says: RADEON, RADEON, RADEON, RADEON. It annoys me, I don't think they know a shit, they just buy is because of the advertising of and they havent tried any Nvidia cards, so all of you Nvidia fans in the world, DO NOT GIVE UP, WE WILL CRUSH RADEON!!!

You need to learn to relax bud, a vid card is just a vid card, radeon, nvidia, matrox........you only buy what is best for you, its a free market, everyones choise is as good as the other, the important thing is to be happy with the choise you made. Now go get yourself a radeon card and SMASH IT if it makes you happy.........bether yet, go get me a 9800xt and make me a happy customer......

Driver 7 · Nov 10, 2003, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mbjork
I don't really know so much about 3D card but I hate when the whole world says: RADEON, RADEON, RADEON, RADEON. It annoys me, I don't think they know a shit, they just buy is because of the advertising of and they havent tried any Nvidia cards, so all of you Nvidia fans in the world, DO NOT GIVE UP, WE WILL CRUSH RADEON!!!

Wiithout a doubt 100% accual fact. Good to hear someone else still believes. I personally have only used computers for 2 years now. And a year ago I new absolutely nothing. I was sitting in my living room and a friend was explaining to me why my NVidia product was made and sold by a different company. That being Chaintech. (I cant believe how much I have learned since then). Anyhow I remember turning and saying how much I liked the NVidia name and compared Nvidia to google. As Google is nothing but good, Liked and nobody has anything bad to say about it. After Learning as much as I have I still believe that. And when DirectX10 is released and NVidia has there latest card on the market I am pretty sure the bandwagon will be so full of people that we will have to make it into a double decker wagon. Thats all I gotta say.

mbjork · Nov 10, 2003, 11:40 AM

Okay okay, maybe I took it a bit too seriously but it was just a minor "joke", it was wery fun seeing your reactions!

mbjork · Nov 10, 2003, 11:41 AM

Okay okay, maybe I took it a bit too seriously but it was just a minor "joke", it was wery fun seeing your reactions!

apathy · Nov 10, 2003, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by rawbone
So you've tried them both and the quality for and OpenGL game looks better with the Nvidia card? How much better?

Well I can't say that gl based games "looked" better, the image quality was about the same actually.
Gl based games just seemed to run better overall with the 5950 but the D3D was just plain horrible.

I was so used to playing D3D games with fsaa turned to 4x and not taking much of a hit in performance with the 9700pro, the same was true in gl games with the radeon and gl ran very well, buying the 5950 was an upgrade in performance when it comes to gl, I could run it at 6x and not feel a hit in performance at all.
However when I fired up Unreal2 for the first time I just couldn't believe my eyes, it was just downright pitiful, I actually had to turn fsaa completely off just to acheive the same framerates and overall smoothness I had with the 9700pro, it was just awful.
Same was true with UT2k3 and Postal2.

I really wish that it would have worked out as I said the nvidia card looked so cool in my case, when you hold the 5950 card in your hands you feel as if you are holding the coolest piece of computer hardware ever made, I thought it was a stunning piece of work, that is until I installed it.

They seem to be making great strides on driver development when it comes to performance of the fx line of cards, the demos that came bundled with the card were sweet but the dvd software was an abomination, the video options were a breeze to use when it comes to changing settings and refresh rate custom settings, in fact I think nvidia has a better overall layout with their drivers.
But I don't see a driver coming out from them that will make the D3D performance of the card justify the high price tag unless they can perform miracles.

mbjork · Nov 10, 2003, 08:18 PM

Okay, now actually I did this to see your reactions, I don't really know so much about video cards and I also posted this because to annoy my friend who's in love with radeon, and I don't really take it so seriously as you think

blah · Nov 10, 2003, 11:01 PM

I can't stand nvidia cards any more. I build a lot of systems and their Drivers are just plain crap. Directx doesn't work right or at all, Opengl seems to have IQ of a Friggen smudged makeup. ATI drivers have gone throught the roof in the past 8 Months, by far ATI drivers are much more stable then the nvidia drivers. The layout of ATI drivers are ten times better as well, plus the VPU recovery is a sweet feature. Nvidia support sucks as well, dealing with nvidia is like going to get a root canal done with out anasthetic.

~~HawK~~ · Nov 10, 2003, 11:23 PM

Might be I'm wrong, but i'm smelling a troll ......

It is either a very good one, or one that is trying it out as a starter,
but I still smell the reek of it

2020 · Nov 11, 2003, 01:09 AM

So guys Radeon or Nvidia i have a 9700pro its ok but i won;t to try the newer cards that out so guys should i get the 9800xt or the 5900nvidia i play a lot of online drag racing & nascar. I;am looking nothing but performance and speed that its.!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO guys who has the fastest

p0rChM0nK3y · Nov 16, 2003, 08:47 AM

9800XT is the best on the market today.

bocybo · Nov 16, 2003, 08:49 AM

I wouldnt recommend upgrading to a 9800XT from a 9700pro. The XT is barely slightly better than the 9800pro, which is definatly not worth upgrading from a 9700pro.

ka713 · Nov 16, 2003, 08:57 AM

yeah....9700pro 9800pro and 9800XT are all around the same, so the upgrade wouldnt b worth ur money

Spyro124 · Nov 16, 2003, 09:27 AM

Only if you got alot of cash to spare, otherwise just stick with your 9700pro and wait for the new lineup of cards from Nvidia and ATI wich will be around the beginning of next year.

toddsmack2k · Nov 16, 2003, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by 2020
So guys Radeon or Nvidia i have a 9700pro its ok but i won;t to try the newer cards that out so guys should i get the 9800xt or the 5900nvidia i play a lot of online drag racing & nascar. I;am looking nothing but performance and speed that its.!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO guys who has the fastest

The 9800 XT without a boubt. I just reviewed the 5900 and the 9800 Xt is def faster. I play Nascar myself and the 9700 runs dead even with the 5900 in that game so get the 9800 or wait a bit for the newer cards.

Bootstritty · Dec 6, 2003, 04:09 PM

Well My 5700 Ultra works great for me I have had no problems but only play a few games like BF1942 and mods,half-life and mods,Ghost recon and Americas army

the only cards I have ever had are nVidia
GForce2 MX400
GForce4 MX440
GForce FX 5600 256
GForce FX 5700 Ultra

I run 1024 X 768 32 Bit and leave the Antiliasing & Antisotropic filtering set at application controlled

I don't like the fact that the card is Nine inches long (whitch is longer than older 5900 ultra"s) almost hits my HDD and I have an Antec 1080 SOHO cace SOHO= "small office home office" for you who don't know

gpuica · Dec 7, 2003, 07:07 PM

i have a ti4200 128mb (yes i kno its slow) running on a 1.5 (yes i kno it sucks) P4 w/256MB ram (yes i kno its not a lot) thats 2 years old

i just installed the omega drivers and the performance just shot up (im talkin 10-30 fps in nfs:u demo)...i couldnt even play it before, id get to the first curve and itd all slow down to 10-15 fps...now i get at least 25 or so...havent checked 3dmark

i was wondering, are omega drivers for nvidia better than those for ati? or do they chage quality/performance more than the ati ones do? i was thinking that nvidia would reach radeon performance/quality with the omega drivers

will check NFS4 benchmarks...

Nov 9, 2003, 01:08 PM	#1
mbjork DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	NVIDIA vs RADEON I don't really know so much about 3D card but I hate when the whole world says: RADEON, RADEON, RADEON, RADEON. It annoys me, I don't think they know a shit, they just buy is because of the advertising of and they havent tried any Nvidia cards, so all of you Nvidia fans in the world, DO NOT GIVE UP, WE WILL CRUSH RADEON!!!

Nov 10, 2003, 02:36 AM	#7
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,268 Rep Power: 167 System Specs	I too have cards from both companies, two years ago I would have said go nvidia for most things but today it's hard to recommend their cards. Even if they do have better OpenGL performance the majority of "new" games use Direct X as their API and ATi have them hands down in that department, so that could be why you hear Radeon everywhere you go __________________

Nov 11, 2003, 01:09 AM	#16
2020 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	So guys Radeon or Nvidia i have a 9700pro its ok but i won;t to try the newer cards that out so guys should i get the 9800xt or the 5900nvidia i play a lot of online drag racing & nascar. I;am looking nothing but performance and speed that its.!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO guys who has the fastest __________________ charles allison

Nov 16, 2003, 08:47 AM	#17
p0rChM0nK3y DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 179 Rep Power: 0	9800XT is the best on the market today. __________________ Intel Pentium 4c 2.6 @ 3.1ghz (27c idle, 34c load) Asus P4P800 Corsair XMS 2x512mb DDR400 Maxtor MaXline III 250gb SATA150 Plextor DVD-RW PX-716A Samsung Syncmaster 17" Antec Sonata II w/ Antec SmartPower 2.0 Windows XP Pro

Nov 16, 2003, 08:49 AM	#18
bocybo DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 89 Rep Power: 0	I wouldnt recommend upgrading to a 9800XT from a 9700pro. The XT is barely slightly better than the 9800pro, which is definatly not worth upgrading from a 9700pro. __________________ Barton 2500 @ 11.0x215 Epox 8RDA+ 1GB Corsair PC3200 ATI Radeon 9800 Pro @ 420/380 SB Audigy Lite-on 52x32x52 Maxtor 120GB ATA133

Nov 9, 2003, 02:10 PM	#2
apathy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Akron,Oh Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Well I've had them both, I was running a 9700pro for a while, saw that nvidia came out with a 5950 ultra and thought I would give it a shot. It cost $500 but was not even as fast as the 9700pro was, it was better at gl based games but overall it was not really an upgrade at all. Took it back and traded it in on a 9800xt, perfectly happy with that card. I'm not biased toward either company, in fact I really wished that the nvidia card was a better performer because it looked so cool lol

Nov 10, 2003, 01:44 AM	#3
rawbone DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	So you've tried them both and the quality for and OpenGL game looks better with the Nvidia card? How much better?

Nov 10, 2003, 02:25 AM	#5
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 5,027 Rep Power: 181	Having tried various cards from both brands i can tell you the NV cards have better drivers for OpenGL....not really a lot of image quality difference but more speed and less bugs.

Nov 10, 2003, 11:40 AM	Thread Starter #10
mbjork DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Okay okay, maybe I took it a bit too seriously but it was just a minor "joke", it was wery fun seeing your reactions!

Nov 10, 2003, 11:41 AM	Thread Starter #11
mbjork DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Okay okay, maybe I took it a bit too seriously but it was just a minor "joke", it was wery fun seeing your reactions!

Nov 10, 2003, 08:18 PM	Thread Starter #13
mbjork DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Okay, now actually I did this to see your reactions, I don't really know so much about video cards and I also posted this because to annoy my friend who's in love with radeon, and I don't really take it so seriously as you think

Nov 10, 2003, 11:01 PM	#14
blah DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 78 Rep Power: 0	I can't stand nvidia cards any more. I build a lot of systems and their Drivers are just plain crap. Directx doesn't work right or at all, Opengl seems to have IQ of a Friggen smudged makeup. ATI drivers have gone throught the roof in the past 8 Months, by far ATI drivers are much more stable then the nvidia drivers. The layout of ATI drivers are ten times better as well, plus the VPU recovery is a sweet feature. Nvidia support sucks as well, dealing with nvidia is like going to get a root canal done with out anasthetic.

Nov 10, 2003, 11:23 PM	#15
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	Might be I'm wrong, but i'm smelling a troll ...... It is either a very good one, or one that is trying it out as a starter, but I still smell the reek of it

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ka713 Deceased Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 291 Rep Power: 0	yeah....9700pro 9800pro and 9800XT are all around the same, so the upgrade wouldnt b worth ur money __________________ [color=Red]AMD[color=Red]64[/color][/color][color=Blue] Athlon 3500+[/color] [color=Red] MSI[/color] [color=Blue]K8N Neo4-FI[/color] [color=Red] Corsair[/color] [color=Blue]ValueSelect 1G DDR400[/color] [color=DeepSkyBlue]x 2[/color] [color=Red] Seagate[/color] [color=Blue]8M 200G SATA[/color] [color=Blue] 256M[/color] [color=Red]ASUS[/color] [color=Blue]X850PRO VIVO PCI-E[/color] [color=Red] D-Link[/color] [color=Blue]108M DWL-G520 PCI[/color] [color=Red] LG[/color] [color=Blue]GDR8164B DVD[/color] [color=Red] LITE-ON[/color] [color=Blue]SHW-1635S DVDRW[/color] [color=Blue] 1.44MB Floppy[/color] [color=Red] LG[/color] [color=Blue]17" 1750SQ-SN LCD[/color] [color=Red] Logitech[/color] [color=Blue]MX3100[/color] [color=Red] Creative[/color] [color=Blue]Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum[/color] [color=Red] Logitech[/color] [color=Blue]Z5300e THX[/color] [color=Red] Antec[/color] [color=Blue]Super Lanboy 350[/color] ____________________________

Nov 16, 2003, 09:27 AM	#20
Spyro124 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 120 Rep Power: 0	Only if you got alot of cash to spare, otherwise just stick with your 9700pro and wait for the new lineup of cards from Nvidia and ATI wich will be around the beginning of next year. __________________ My Computer stats: AMD64 3200+ Asus A8V Deluxe PNY 6800 GT 2x 512MB Kingston Value Ram pc3200 1x 60GB WD and 1x 74 Gig WD Raptor Dell 1704FP TFT

Dec 6, 2003, 04:09 PM	#22
Bootstritty DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Well My 5700 Ultra works great for me I have had no problems but only play a few games like BF1942 and mods,half-life and mods,Ghost recon and Americas army the only cards I have ever had are nVidia GForce2 MX400 GForce4 MX440 GForce FX 5600 256 GForce FX 5700 Ultra I run 1024 X 768 32 Bit and leave the Antiliasing & Antisotropic filtering set at application controlled I don't like the fact that the card is Nine inches long (whitch is longer than older 5900 ultra"s) almost hits my HDD and I have an Antec 1080 SOHO cace SOHO= "small office home office" for you who don't know __________________ 3.2 P4 800MHz FSB Intel D865PERL 1024 MB of PC3200 Windows XP Home WD1200JD SATA nVidia 6800 GT Turbo-Cool 510 PSU Lite ON 16X DVD Sony 40-12-48X SB Audigy Gamer 1.44 Floppy Last edited by Bootstritty; Dec 7, 2003 at 07:40 PM.

Dec 7, 2003, 07:07 PM	#23
gpuica DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: West Windsor, NJ Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	i have a ti4200 128mb (yes i kno its slow) running on a 1.5 (yes i kno it sucks) P4 w/256MB ram (yes i kno its not a lot) thats 2 years old i just installed the omega drivers and the performance just shot up (im talkin 10-30 fps in nfs:u demo)...i couldnt even play it before, id get to the first curve and itd all slow down to 10-15 fps...now i get at least 25 or so...havent checked 3dmark i was wondering, are omega drivers for nvidia better than those for ati? or do they chage quality/performance more than the ati ones do? i was thinking that nvidia would reach radeon performance/quality with the omega drivers will check NFS4 benchmarks...