Jen Hsun claims Nvidia's core cheaper then ATI's

Zardon · Jun 5, 2004, 06:19 PM

WE MET NVIDIA'S KEY man Jen Hsun Huang while trying to get our old friends out for a drink. Jen Hsun sure has forgoten my face but definitely not my name but he was gentlemanly enough to spend some time chatting with me, Fudo.
I was behaving myself as I didn’t want to create any incidents since our relations with Nvidia are still on crystal legs but getting better and better from CeBIT 2004 ever onwards.

Jen Hsun told me that the NV40, Geforce 6800 series core is actually cheaper to be produced then ATI's R420, X800 generation. He said that Nvidia"s 222 million transistors are built on a 0.13 micron process, non Low K one is only seven per cent bigger than ATI's X800 core.

He added that Low K is a more expensive process and that it actually ends up cheaper to produce chips this way than ATI and its folderol.

Our ATI knowledgeable source said that could be possible if it used more layer on chips or even if it used a 110 nanometre process. Nvidia was clear in the past that it is using 130 nanometres, but in this industry you never know.

From logic it means that 60 millions of transistors means a significantly larger die but it is all about packaging I guess. µ

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BWX · Jun 5, 2004, 06:40 PM

Wow, Nvidia sure is interested in ATI lately! If it's cheaper, why does it cost more?

Zardon · Jun 6, 2004, 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by BWX
Wow, Nvidia sure is interested in ATI lately! If it's cheaper, why does it cost more?

now there is an interesting question.

dipstick · Jun 6, 2004, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by BWX
Wow, Nvidia sure is interested in ATI lately! If it's cheaper, why does it cost more?

I don't think it costs more. I mean for the same price as the 12 pipe X800Pro($399) you will be able to get a 16 pipe 6800GT. This is the same exact card as the Ultra, only 50MHz slower. Seems like a good deal to me.

BWX · Jun 6, 2004, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by kakarot
I don't think it costs more. I mean for the same price as the 12 pipe X800Pro($399) you will be able to get a 16 pipe 6800GT. This is the same exact card as the Ultra, only 50MHz slower. Seems like a good deal to me.

You can get an x800pro for cheaper than $399 can't you? Well, you will be able to soon anyway.

dipstick · Jun 6, 2004, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by BWX
You can get an x800pro for cheaper than $399 can't you? Well, you will be able to soon anyway.

And why wouldn't that logic work for the 6800GT?

I'm just saying that for $399(suggested retail price which 90% of buyers will pay) nVidia does give you their top-of-the-line core which is probably why they claim their core is cheaper, and I have to agree. nVidia did a smart move that I think will pay off big for them.

BWX · Jun 6, 2004, 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by kakarot
And why wouldn't that logic work for the 6800GT? I'm just saying that for $399(suggested retail price which 90% of buyers will pay) nVidia does give you their top-of-the-line core which is probably why they claim their core is cheaper, and I have to agree. nVidia did a smart move that I think will pay off big for them.

Has anyone reviewed that yet? I'd like to look.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jun 6, 2004, 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by BWX
Wow, Nvidia sure is interested in ATI lately! If it's cheaper, why does it cost more?

Does anyone remember NVIDIA saying how low k was even dangerous to use? When asked why they were not using it? Apparently they deemed it too expensive … ROFL

Mabe thats why thier card draws like 2x that of the x800 smaller means less power

dipstick · Jun 7, 2004, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by BWX
Has anyone reviewed that yet? I'd like to look.

Not yet, I haven't seen any at least. You can check this thread out, but I wouldn't believe the results 'till they come from someone reliable

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...eadid=33762738

Zardon · Jun 7, 2004, 12:18 AM

invalid thread kakarot

"Invalid thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the webmaster."

dipstick · Jun 7, 2004, 12:23 AM

Sorry about that, fixed it up.

Jun 5, 2004, 06:19 PM	#1
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Jen Hsun claims Nvidia's core cheaper then ATI's WE MET NVIDIA'S KEY man Jen Hsun Huang while trying to get our old friends out for a drink. Jen Hsun sure has forgoten my face but definitely not my name but he was gentlemanly enough to spend some time chatting with me, Fudo. I was behaving myself as I didn’t want to create any incidents since our relations with Nvidia are still on crystal legs but getting better and better from CeBIT 2004 ever onwards. Jen Hsun told me that the NV40, Geforce 6800 series core is actually cheaper to be produced then ATI's R420, X800 generation. He said that Nvidia"s 222 million transistors are built on a 0.13 micron process, non Low K one is only seven per cent bigger than ATI's X800 core. He added that Low K is a more expensive process and that it actually ends up cheaper to produce chips this way than ATI and its folderol. Our ATI knowledgeable source said that could be possible if it used more layer on chips or even if it used a 110 nanometre process. Nvidia was clear in the past that it is using 130 nanometres, but in this industry you never know. From logic it means that 60 millions of transistors means a significantly larger die but it is all about packaging I guess. µ inquirer

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Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	invalid thread kakarot "Invalid thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the webmaster."

Jun 7, 2004, 12:23 AM	#11
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Sorry about that, fixed it up.