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benchies that were run on a Inno3D GeForce 6800 Ultra 400/1100 MHz and a Leadtek A400 TDH (GeForce 6800) 335/700 MHz! It seems that these Cards are runing with 8 pipes and not the 12 Nvidia claimed.

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BWX

Wait a second- I thought they were supposed to have 16 pipes?
I guess I better go read some stuff about Nvidia just to keep up to date with their line..

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Dom

Looks like a faulty card.

The_Neon_Cowboy

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HawK

Expecting to see the Green PR-Battlecruisers to lay another smokecurtain any moment now..

The_Neon_Cowboy

lol true

(but first hey have to get out from hiding under their desks)

I can just hear the Upper management screaming now lol

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Fantasma

I only can say one thing:
wuahahahahaha
wauahahahahaahahahhahaha

**G.I.BRO**

If this is true.. then OUCHERS.

Nacht

has got to be a mistake...no way those other posted benchies could be attained with 8pipes

The_Neon_Cowboy

Considering their drivers cheat on a per application (games and benchmarks) basis on top over the every day general cheats...

Remember their top end cards are using weird numbers like 16x1 32x0? Wtf? 32x0=0 or can't they not do basic math?

For all we now it's 6x2 or 4 regular pipes and 4x2 or something sneaky like that

Most reviewers got custom NVIDIA thrown together bards but the 2 here are 3d party boards with what should be a more final product. Based on a final core I’d think…

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Vampyromaniac

Ultra has 16, plain 6800 is supposed to have 12.

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drakesteakn

this is funny. Nvidia is ripping off people agn. what a shame.

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Fantasma

It seems that it is related to a bios problem

Nacht

Yea, there is no way this can be real. Putting optimizations in a driver release, and saying that NVidia is saying a 8pipe card is a 16 is totally different...there's no way you could relate those things....

and comment Nvidia's reference about 16x1 and 32x0...I think you're being sarcastic neon...i hope so too.

Nvidia had the 3dmark optimization, and some other stuff...but now you're like "they use cheats piled on top of cheats that allow a 8 pipe card to get 17000 points in 3dmark03" thats just wrong...ATi has these cheats too...claiming full time trilinear filtering, when they know full and well that the card IS NOT doing that...that is lieing, and cheating. But somehow, thats not as bad as what Nvidia did to you.

Look, Nvidia makes the core's for all of these cards anyways (dont they?), so the core shouldnt matter between the manufacturers cards. the ultra IS 16 pipes, the GT IS 16 pipes, and the NU is 12.

The_Neon_Cowboy

What cheats? ATI doesn’t detect and run different settings per application. ATI doesn’t apply all around cheats…

Oh you talking about the triliner ? that’s been in the driver for ages that has 0% affect on Image quality. Or are you talking about the bi/tri-linear on NVIDIA that result in a lower IQ? That cause bugs and result in fixes When their disabled! ATI’s images almost match refast ! NVIDIA’s are a world away… ATI’s don’t lower image quality. Even with the trileniear they don’t have what? 1/100th - 1/200th of the optimizations NVIDIA is using.

Heck please explain then why a 9800xt Beat! The 6800, in high aa/ af in some games? But then NV releases a new driver and now there was a huge gain so it finally beat the 9800xt. NVIDIA’s biggest power come their driver cheats not their actual hardware! Their hardware is in “fact” slower but they do “wonders” in their drivers up to about what? 30% in some cases.

How can you even compare? NVIDIA optimizes (cheats) in their drivers a general cheats applied across the board + application specific, optimizes (cheats) in their cards, optimizes (cheats) in their mother boards, optimizes (cheats) pays for custom paths and lower res textures to give higher from rates in their sponsored games.

I’m sorry the difference is night and day huge. You act like their in the same boat when their not even in the same ocean. I mean any more you really can’t truly compare an ATI card to a NVIDIA card until NVIDIA removes their cheats.

I didn’t say the driver make a 8 pipe card like 12 I said their drivers could easily make a 8 pipe card look more like 12. NVIDIA has no standards beside how much we can cheat while still marginally getting away with it in the “general public”. They could be using a odd configuration like I stated could be 4 regular pipes 4 extreme pipes (4x1 + 4x2) would create a 8 pipe card that acts more like a 12 pipe card. They could be doing something similar. Remember the 5900’s etc were supposed to be full 8 pipe cards. Turned out in later review they got busted using a 4x2 configuration. This sounds just like the previous time it really does but only time will tell.

Of coarse a bios can make world of difference it sets between the hardware or the card and the hardware and software of the pc. It could say there 100’s pips but of course you’d know better when you beached it. This is what they did here. The first round of card were NVIDIA pro types, (pro type cards and proto type bios on proto type bard with proto type memory) Not a final card more like an early engineering sample the varied from reviewer to reviewer. Hence the big score differences from site to site. The 3rd party bard should be basted on a shipping NVIDIA core and final reference bios there for they should be way more like they final shipping product. For all we know it's could a bios bug!

Not to mention the ultra low class and unprofessional comments released in their recent press releases. NVIDIA Just keep sinking lower and lower.

Personally I hope it’s true it’ll be a final nail in NVIDIA’s coffin and in the long run will put them more in line with S3 graphics then their current stance. NVIDIA’s been looseing market share to ATI for quite a while now and it just keeps growing.

This could go either way but NVIDIA being as “low” as there are will not get the benefit of the doubt from me or many other people till they “clean up their act”.

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BWX

Hmm, like this?



"For the GeForce 6800Ultra we had a bit more trouble, we were not able to enable Antialiasing from the control panel and have it show up using the built in FarCry screen capture feature (F12). Therefore we had to set the AA level from within the game so that it would capture in the screenshots. In this case on the 6800U with 60.72 drivers “Low” = 2XAA, “Medium” = 4XAA and “High” = 4XAA, yes that is not a typo, “Medium” and “High” are both 4XAA on the 6800U with 60.72 drivers. As you will see below we found “Low”, 2XAA, to be the best playable AA level so this is what we used in the screenshots. We verified that the in-game setting of “Low” AA matches performance with setting the control panel to 2XAA. We set Anisotropic level from the control panel, which did show up correctly in the screenshots."


Then they had to run the 6800 at a lower resolution to keep up.
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjI4LDI=

weak

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madcat1488

that site has always been bias

BWX

Toward Nvidia?

madcat1488

I always felt against

HawK

Hahaha... nope, I won't a nasty thing

BWX

I think they're just telling the truth on this page-
Not much you can say about the poor IQ of the Nvidia product.. Even in a "the way it's meant to be played" game....


http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjI4LDM=
http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?im...VfM180X2wuanBn
http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?im...VfM181X2wuanBn

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madcat1488

they just seem to be big on pointing out nvidias faults and rarely do ati. Not saying they are being untrue in what thet say just selective

BWX

You won't a nasty thing? Huh? I missed something.

madcat1488

me to

BWX

The pointed out the weird shadow bug, and even benched with and without bug- I'm not done reading the review yet though... I still don't think they're biased, not in any review I've read, which haven't been too many lately, but many in the past.

HawK

um yeh.. forgot to type the "say" please insert it between "won't" and "a"

They where for years a pro NV site, and only recently have seen that there are other V.Card makers

madcat1488

well they have changed thats for sure

HawK

Truth is the thruth, but some will never see the light

BWX

But..

Taking IQ comparisons at different resolutions is moronic- Maybe bench then at the different resolutions to prove a point, or simply state that the NV card runs the same speed as the ATI card does at a higher resolution, but taking IQ comparisons at different resolution makes me want to grab the guy who decided to do that by the neck and b-slap some sense into him... Seriously can't get over that one..







Yeah I always thought they were pro NV, but lately maybe they have stopped taking bribes or something... Maybe they are just trying to be more honest, and in this circumstance they see the performance and IQ gains ATI has made..

madcat1488

you must not have seen what I said. They are telling the truth just selective in what they say.