GeForce 6600 or ATi 9x00?

Gaijin · Mar 23, 2005, 05:31 AM

Looking to upgrade from my current Connect 3D Ati 9600 (128MB) to something with a little more punch.
Been looking at GF 6600 AGP and Ati 9600XT's as they both are in the same price range ~135 euros here.

The question is which of the above would provide more performance per buck and have longer lifespan?
I mainly play Far Cry, Painkiller, UT2003, a bit of HL2/CS:S, etc. and pref. with my tft's native resolution 1280x1024.

Son_of_Thunder · Mar 23, 2005, 07:02 AM

neither is a worthy upgrade from a 9600. the 9600xt will barely outperform the 9600 really. i'd go w/ something more like the 6600GT or the 9800pro.

jasonbourne · Mar 23, 2005, 12:15 PM

i woudnt recommend nothing below a 6600gt with all those new games coming out .im sure that it would be a good thing to go from ur 9600xt to a 6600gt.

Danhill · Mar 23, 2005, 01:01 PM

6600 by far!!

Callandor · Mar 23, 2005, 02:40 PM

Well, the 6600, but I don't believe it's really "that much" better.

Gaijin · Mar 23, 2005, 04:33 PM

Thanks for the replies, turning my eye to the 6600GT's.

Found 2 choices in my price range, PNY Verto GF 6600GT 128M and Club-3D GF 6600GT 128M.
Now to choose one, propably no major difference in DVI-output signal quality in either... I hope.

jasonbourne · Mar 23, 2005, 06:32 PM

try to get a evga 6600 .u wont regret

Zelig · Mar 23, 2005, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonbourne

try to get a evga 6600 .u wont regret

Heh, I've always liked evga products, and have ordered the 6600gt, simply because it was the cheapest model available anyway.

Firstperson · Mar 24, 2005, 05:29 AM

Well I say go for the 6600gt, its a great card for the price. All in all specs aside I believe the 6600gt is a better card than the 9800 series card. I have room to speak here because I have owned both.

Later Firstperson

Duranix · Mar 24, 2005, 05:43 AM

6600GT!

its just better

it runs better than a 9800 pro, and has more features. its also about $50 cheaper.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 24, 2005, 07:23 AM

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...119/index.html

Looks like the 6600GT does look better....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duranix

6600GT!

its just better

it runs better than a 9800 pro, and has more features. its also about $50 cheaper.

In fairness Acording to pricewatch.com the 6600GT ($166 and up )
starts @ $8 more then the cheapest 9800 pro (256bit) ($158 and up)

Jejking · Mar 26, 2005, 01:17 PM

I would recommend a Nvidia Geforce 6600 GT, not a standard 6600 which performs very poor compared to the GT, to you.

You shouldn't even think about a ATi Radeon 9600-product (it is a good card, no flame intended

, but it is not comparable to the Geforce 6600-line)

This is the information that counts:
6600GT: 8 Pixelpipelines - 128-bit Memorybus - 500 MHz Core / 1000 MHz Memory
-/+ 143 Million Transistors
9800Pro/XT: 8 Pixelpipelines - 256-bit Memorybus - 380-412 MHz Core / 680-730MHz Mem
-/+ 108 Million Transistors (requires lots of power)
9600Pro/XT: 4 Pixelpipelines - 128-bit Memorybus - 400-500 MHz Core / -/+ 750 MHz Mem
-/+ 80 Million Transistors

In Europe the 6600GT of the brand XFX is very popular, and so is Leadtek.

+ In the benchmarks you will see in practically 85% of the cases that the 6600GT kills the 9800XT (so it will kick the performance of the 9800Pro as well, how logical

)
+ The 6600GT is a overclocking miracle (with stock coolingsystem it will easily reach over 580 MHz Core)
+ It consumes less power than a ATi Radeon 9800 Pro/XT.
+ Also it has the PS3.0/VS3.0-abilities (before getting into a PS2.0 vs 3.0-war, it's just an upgraded version of PS2.0, so don't attach too much value to this argument).
+ The pricetag of the 6600GT is very positive when compared to the 9800-series (190 Dollars I thought, but I am not an economical wonder

)

- Sometimes the 6600GT gets Memorybus-limited, because it has a 128-bit bus. Fortuna-tely this won't happen very often, unless you are playing with lots of Anti-Aliasing and Anisotrophic Filtering enabled, then the 9800Pro/XT is a better choice (because of it's larger 256-bit bus)

*Reason of Edit: a negative argument has been added*

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 26, 2005, 01:51 PM

Also don't forget it's rumored the X700 AGP will roll out some time soon....

Gaijin · Mar 26, 2005, 07:59 PM

Hope my current Nexus 350W PSU will be enough to power the 6600GT and the rest of my rig.
Are Leadtek cards generally good quality? Cause they seem to be the cheapest ones here in Finland at ~200 euros or just under.

leekirlew · Mar 26, 2005, 10:55 PM

I've just replaced my faulty 9800pro with a leadtek 6600gt, it overclocks to 580/1100, scores 3798 in 3dmark05 and gives 83fps in doom 3, all at 1024x764 0af 0aa. My pro was flashed to an xt and I think this card kills the pro.

Sauro · Mar 27, 2005, 12:37 PM

6600GT all the way

Gaijin · Apr 4, 2005, 04:12 PM

Thanks for everyones input, ordered a Asus 6600 GT 128M AGP today.
Wish it was already wednesday ...

DeadPooL_X_ · Apr 10, 2005, 04:50 AM

Let us know how it performs

Gaijin · Apr 11, 2005, 02:13 AM

Not had time to stress test the card with mindless benchmarks due to work.
Had time to do a little gaming this weekend and it performs like a dream.

Test played the following:
Half-life 2, Far Cry (1.31), Painkiller (1.62) and America's Army (2.3).
Resolution is set to 1280x1024 and AA was off, 2x AF was on.

Performance wise this card is a big step up from my old Connect 3D Radeon 9600 128M, all the above games ran nice & smooth and looked damn good too.

FrankenBerrie · Apr 11, 2005, 04:21 PM

I do not know much about the ATi card but I am using the MSI 6600 AGP 8x card on a P4 2.6 system and it sucks. Bullshit games like unreal tournament at 1024x768 resolution 120 refresh rate still have graphic lag.

On my Home system I am using the MSI 6600GT PCIE card. Now this is a different story. This card blows away my old ATi 9800XT card.

Just my opinion..... Do more research before you make your final choice.

(I like Ati)

Mar 23, 2005, 05:31 AM	#1
Gaijin DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Finland, Europe Posts: 101 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	GeForce 6600 or ATi 9x00? Looking to upgrade from my current Connect 3D Ati 9600 (128MB) to something with a little more punch. Been looking at GF 6600 AGP and Ati 9600XT's as they both are in the same price range ~135 euros here. The question is which of the above would provide more performance per buck and have longer lifespan? I mainly play Far Cry, Painkiller, UT2003, a bit of HL2/CS:S, etc. and pref. with my tft's native resolution 1280x1024. __________________ [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]In Vino Veritas ... [/COLOR]

Mar 23, 2005, 07:02 AM	#2
Son_of_Thunder HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 1,441 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	neither is a worthy upgrade from a 9600. the 9600xt will barely outperform the 9600 really. i'd go w/ something more like the 6600GT or the 9800pro. __________________

Mar 23, 2005, 12:15 PM	#3
jasonbourne DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: great yarmouth uk Posts: 1,082 Rep Power: 0	i woudnt recommend nothing below a 6600gt with all those new games coming out .im sure that it would be a good thing to go from ur 9600xt to a 6600gt. __________________ http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...asonBourne.jpg

Mar 23, 2005, 01:01 PM	#4
Danhill DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 4,112 Rep Power: 0	6600 by far!! __________________ MOBO: [color=white]ASUS A8N-SLI Premium[/color] CPU: AMD 64 3200+ (Venice) @ 2,50 Ghz MEM: 2 x 512 DDR 466, VGA: 2 x 6600 GT in SLI, HDD1: WD Raptor HDD2: Maxtor Diamond Plus 9, Case: Antec Plus View 1080, PSU: ThermalTake PurePower 500W, MX 1000, Dell 2001 FP, Aud. 2 SZ

Mar 23, 2005, 02:40 PM	#5
Callandor Forged on Dragonmount Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 7,237 Rep Power: 304 System Specs	Well, the 6600, but I don't believe it's really "that much" better. __________________

Mar 23, 2005, 04:33 PM	Thread Starter #6
Gaijin DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Finland, Europe Posts: 101 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Thanks for the replies, turning my eye to the 6600GT's. Found 2 choices in my price range, PNY Verto GF 6600GT 128M and Club-3D GF 6600GT 128M. Now to choose one, propably no major difference in DVI-output signal quality in either... I hope. __________________ [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]In Vino Veritas ... [/COLOR]

Mar 23, 2005, 06:32 PM	#7
jasonbourne DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: great yarmouth uk Posts: 1,082 Rep Power: 0	try to get a evga 6600 .u wont regret __________________ http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...asonBourne.jpg

Mar 24, 2005, 05:29 AM	#9
Firstperson What? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Grand Rapids MI Posts: 232 Rep Power: 0	Well I say go for the 6600gt, its a great card for the price. All in all specs aside I believe the 6600gt is a better card than the 9800 series card. I have room to speak here because I have owned both. Later Firstperson

Mar 24, 2005, 05:43 AM	#10
Duranix DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 614 Rep Power: 0	6600GT! its just better it runs better than a 9800 pro, and has more features. its also about $50 cheaper. __________________

Mar 26, 2005, 01:17 PM	#12
Jejking HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 582 Rep Power: 0	I would recommend a Nvidia Geforce 6600 GT, not a standard 6600 which performs very poor compared to the GT, to you. You shouldn't even think about a ATi Radeon 9600-product (it is a good card, no flame intended , but it is not comparable to the Geforce 6600-line) This is the information that counts: 6600GT: 8 Pixelpipelines - 128-bit Memorybus - 500 MHz Core / 1000 MHz Memory -/+ 143 Million Transistors 9800Pro/XT: 8 Pixelpipelines - 256-bit Memorybus - 380-412 MHz Core / 680-730MHz Mem -/+ 108 Million Transistors (requires lots of power) 9600Pro/XT: 4 Pixelpipelines - 128-bit Memorybus - 400-500 MHz Core / -/+ 750 MHz Mem -/+ 80 Million Transistors In Europe the 6600GT of the brand XFX is very popular, and so is Leadtek. + In the benchmarks you will see in practically 85% of the cases that the 6600GT kills the 9800XT (so it will kick the performance of the 9800Pro as well, how logical ) + The 6600GT is a overclocking miracle (with stock coolingsystem it will easily reach over 580 MHz Core) + It consumes less power than a ATi Radeon 9800 Pro/XT. + Also it has the PS3.0/VS3.0-abilities (before getting into a PS2.0 vs 3.0-war, it's just an upgraded version of PS2.0, so don't attach too much value to this argument). + The pricetag of the 6600GT is very positive when compared to the 9800-series (190 Dollars I thought, but I am not an economical wonder ) - Sometimes the 6600GT gets Memorybus-limited, because it has a 128-bit bus. Fortuna-tely this won't happen very often, unless you are playing with lots of Anti-Aliasing and Anisotrophic Filtering enabled, then the 9800Pro/XT is a better choice (because of it's larger 256-bit bus) Reason of Edit: a negative argument has been added __________________ Strike back with Team MAD against disease, it's worth the try Last edited by Jejking; Mar 26, 2005 at 01:22 PM.

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The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	Also don't forget it's rumored the X700 AGP will roll out some time soon.... __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; Mar 26, 2005 at 08:02 PM.

Mar 26, 2005, 07:59 PM	Thread Starter #14
Gaijin DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Finland, Europe Posts: 101 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Hope my current Nexus 350W PSU will be enough to power the 6600GT and the rest of my rig. Are Leadtek cards generally good quality? Cause they seem to be the cheapest ones here in Finland at ~200 euros or just under. __________________ [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]In Vino Veritas ... [/COLOR]

Mar 26, 2005, 10:55 PM	#15
leekirlew DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 45 Rep Power: 0	I've just replaced my faulty 9800pro with a leadtek 6600gt, it overclocks to 580/1100, scores 3798 in 3dmark05 and gives 83fps in doom 3, all at 1024x764 0af 0aa. My pro was flashed to an xt and I think this card kills the pro. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3200+ @ 2.45Ghz Abit KV8-Pro 1024MB PC4000 Corsair XMS Pro 160GB SATA HD Leadtek 6800GT Creative Soundblaster 5.1 digital 2x 80mm intake case fan, 2x 80mm exhaust fan

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Sauro DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 0	6600GT all the way

Apr 4, 2005, 04:12 PM	Thread Starter #17
Gaijin DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Finland, Europe Posts: 101 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Thanks for everyones input, ordered a Asus 6600 GT 128M AGP today. Wish it was already wednesday ... __________________ [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]In Vino Veritas ... [/COLOR]

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Apr 11, 2005, 02:13 AM	Thread Starter #19
Gaijin DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Finland, Europe Posts: 101 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Not had time to stress test the card with mindless benchmarks due to work. Had time to do a little gaming this weekend and it performs like a dream. Test played the following: Half-life 2, Far Cry (1.31), Painkiller (1.62) and America's Army (2.3). Resolution is set to 1280x1024 and AA was off, 2x AF was on. Performance wise this card is a big step up from my old Connect 3D Radeon 9600 128M, all the above games ran nice & smooth and looked damn good too. __________________ [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]In Vino Veritas ... [/COLOR]

Apr 11, 2005, 04:21 PM	#20
FrankenBerrie DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	I do not know much about the ATi card but I am using the MSI 6600 AGP 8x card on a P4 2.6 system and it sucks. Bullshit games like unreal tournament at 1024x768 resolution 120 refresh rate still have graphic lag. On my Home system I am using the MSI 6600GT PCIE card. Now this is a different story. This card blows away my old ATi 9800XT card. Just my opinion..... Do more research before you make your final choice. (I like Ati) __________________ [COLOR=red](I do not overclock. If I want faster speeds, I just buy faster processors)[/COLOR]