6600GT vs 9800SE>XT

DjFlame · May 9, 2005, 04:18 PM

Hi
What is the best? My 9800SE>XT or a new 6600GT? And is their pipes or any stuff i can enable?

Regards
Flame

FearTheTerp · May 10, 2005, 01:11 AM

Well if you already flashed into an XT, i think the pipes are already enabled for you. The 6600GT kills the 9800 XT in high resolutions anyone so it really doesn't matter. If you had an SE, I think you only get a 128 bit memory bandwidth so it really isn't any challenge for it.

CDsDontBurn · May 10, 2005, 02:20 AM

the 6600GT doesn't kill the 9800XT. The performance between the two cards is very small. If you were to compare then 6600GT vs. a 9800pro then yea, the 6600GT would just completley own. One thing that the ATI card has over the nVidia cards is that they run better with AA/AF turned on.

Geminiwave · May 10, 2005, 02:56 AM

yeah the 256bit memory makes AA and AF pwn.

once you add the AA and AF, the 6600GT fails miserably.

DjFlame · May 10, 2005, 05:20 AM

ok, thx for input. I got only about 70- 80 fps in battlefield1942 lately with the SE>XT, but i stil got 6091 in 3dmark03. So i orderd the gigabyte 6600GT...

LuCifer · May 10, 2005, 06:17 AM

Another Point for nVIDIA.
nVIDIA:Owning the Weak

CDsDontBurn · May 10, 2005, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DjFlame

ok, thx for input. I got only about 70- 80 fps in battlefield1942 lately with the SE>XT, but i stil got 6091 in 3dmark03. So i orderd the gigabyte 6600GT...

that is a little under par for a 9800xt, but it is a modded 9800se, so i don't know if that should be taken into consideration for the card being under par. I honestly do not think that you will be too impressed on the performance "upgrade" over your current card. If you want a very noticable increase in performance i would recommend you save up your money for an x800pro or better if you want to go ATI, or if you still want to go nVidia, i would recommend at least a 6800 vanilla.

DjFlame · May 14, 2005, 08:15 PM

bah,me already order he 6600GT, can i oc it or enable somethings on it?

CDsDontBurn · May 14, 2005, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DjFlame

bah,me already order he 6600GT, can i oc it or enable somethings on it?

dude, you just bought yourself a downgrade. you just went from 256bit memory bandwith, to 128bit memory bandwith. I promise you that you will not be impressed by the negligable performance increase over the 9800xt. You could have purchased a 6800 vanilla for like $30-$40 more over the 6600GT and that would have been a HUGE improvement over the 9800xt or the 6600GT.

rico01 · May 14, 2005, 08:48 PM

You can overclock it with ease. Most manufacturers have their own OC program or you could use NVTweak.

CDsDontBurn · May 14, 2005, 09:10 PM

even with overclocking it still would not be able to compare to a 6800 vanilla.

[color=blue]6600GT specs[/color]:
500Mhz core
1Ghz Memory
128Bit memory bus
8 Pixel Pipelines

[color=blue]6800 vanilla specs[/color]:
325Mhz Core
900Mhz Memory
256Bit bemory bus
12 Pixel Pipelines

DjFlame · May 15, 2005, 01:28 PM

as long as i get a card what runs bf2 smooth on high details.

What features does the new GF 6 series have above the ati 9*** series ?

Whats the best driver for it, the Nvidia Omega Drivers 1.6693 (Forceware 66.93) or the standard 71.89 ?

PS: I stil have a AGP M/B. And in our money here in South Africa the 6600GT cost R2100 and the 6800 cost R4000 (rand).

CDsDontBurn · May 16, 2005, 01:22 AM

BF2 will be playing very similar to how it was playing with your 9800xt card, if you can turn up details higher, it won't be by much more. But if you're going to keep your card, i would recommend you use the newest official drivers, and then after that you start to experiment with some modified or beta drivers.

DjFlame · May 16, 2005, 04:53 PM

Ok need more info.

Got my 6600GT, my temp threshold says its 145 deg cel , but i cant change it lower, is this correct? And what is the maximum heat my GPU can go safely? It idle on 45 and in load (3dmark) its on 55 about, but what can the max be but safely?

Thx
Flame

PS:
radeon 9800SE>Pro , 3dmark 05 =2286
radeon 9800SE>Pro , 3d mark 03= 6091

6600GT 3d mark 05, = 3319, Stock speeds
6600GT 3d mark 03, = 8131 Stock speeds

DjFlame · May 16, 2005, 06:35 PM

ok, V-Tuner says speeds are 300/1000. I update BIOS and its sepose to update to 500/1000 website says (gigabyte). V -tuner stil says 300/1000. Update V-Tuner all is fine now, exept my temp option in nvidia settings is gone now...Reinstalled old V-Tuner stil gone. Installed new V-Tuner and reinstalled driver, stil gone.

Did the BIOS update remove the temp option?

If it did , i would say it is gay fron gigabyte aint it?

rico01 · May 16, 2005, 06:43 PM

Hard to say about safe temps but I'd say somewhere along the regions of 80-90C. GPUs are more resistant to heat (or so I've read) than CPUs but heat is still an issue.

Your temps are absolutely fine. It's lower than my 6800GT which idles at 51.

DjFlame · May 16, 2005, 08:02 PM

i jsut read in this review (http://www.tweaktown.com/document.ph...Id=761&dPage=2) , they overclocked the agp like mine to PCI-E speeds, 720/1200. Can i do the same as long as i keep the GPU core cool enough and whats the temp's closely ?

rico01 · May 16, 2005, 08:40 PM

Never expect that you can duplicate an overclock someone else has made. The overclockability of something is dependant on chip quality, environment, temps, memory quality, etc and perhaps most of all: sheer luck.

If you can overclock your card to those levels, great. No artifacts and running stable? Even better. Will you be able to do it? No friggin clue.

DjFlame · May 17, 2005, 05:16 AM

can i get a lack of performance if the power supply is too small? i have a 300W what give 15 amp at 12+, can it be the problem also look at this i posted for info : http://driverheaven.net/showthread.p...752#post608752

Thx

CDsDontBurn · May 17, 2005, 10:37 AM

no you shouldn't, but if you're running 2 HDDs or more, i say get a new PSU anyways. You want to make sure that all of your devices are getting all the power that they need.

AMD4Life · May 26, 2005, 08:36 PM

If you are looking for good drivers, give the DHZer0point series a try. They offer improved image quality as well as improved performance. If you don't plan to overclock too much, the 76.44 set will do you good, but if you do want to overclock, give the 71.89 set a try.

76.44: http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1054

71.89: http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1053

May 9, 2005, 04:18 PM	#1
DjFlame DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 56 Rep Power: 0	6600GT vs 9800SE>XT Hi What is the best? My 9800SE>XT or a new 6600GT? And is their pipes or any stuff i can enable? Regards Flame __________________ [color=sandybrown]CPU: ---AMD64 3200+ 939 @ 2.2 GHz[/color] [color=sandybrown]GFX: --- HIS 256MB X1600XT Turbo EceQ [/color] [color=sandybrown]MB: --- ASUS A8R-MVP Express 200 Crossfire[/color] [color=sandybrown]RAM:---2 gig DDR 400 DUAL [/color] [color=sandybrown]HD: ---Maxtor 80gig SATA[/color] [color=sandybrown]Sound:---MAXSound O HQ (Onboard)[/color] [color=sandybrown]ROM:---LG SuperMulti DVD Writer[/color] [color=sandybrown]Conn:---ADSL 384/128 PSU:---Antec TurePower 2 430w [/color] [color=sandybrown]3dMark05: Pending 3dMark06:Pending [/color]

May 10, 2005, 01:11 AM	#2
FearTheTerp DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pacific Grove, California Posts: 358 Rep Power: 0	Well if you already flashed into an XT, i think the pipes are already enabled for you. The 6600GT kills the 9800 XT in high resolutions anyone so it really doesn't matter. If you had an SE, I think you only get a 128 bit memory bandwidth so it really isn't any challenge for it. __________________ System specs Motherboard:Biostar M7NCD Pro Cpu:AMD XP 2600+ Throughbred B @ 2340 195x12 Memory:2x Corsair CMX512-3200c2PT @ 195 mHz 2-3-3-10 Dual channel Graphics Card: Ati Radeon 9800 Pro All-In-Wonder w/Vga Silencer Rev 3 Antec SL-350

May 10, 2005, 02:20 AM	#3
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,779 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	the 6600GT doesn't kill the 9800XT. The performance between the two cards is very small. If you were to compare then 6600GT vs. a 9800pro then yea, the 6600GT would just completley own. One thing that the ATI card has over the nVidia cards is that they run better with AA/AF turned on. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

May 10, 2005, 02:56 AM	#4
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 63	yeah the 256bit memory makes AA and AF pwn. once you add the AA and AF, the 6600GT fails miserably. __________________

May 10, 2005, 05:20 AM	Thread Starter #5
DjFlame DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 56 Rep Power: 0	ok, thx for input. I got only about 70- 80 fps in battlefield1942 lately with the SE>XT, but i stil got 6091 in 3dmark03. So i orderd the gigabyte 6600GT... __________________ [color=sandybrown]CPU: ---AMD64 3200+ 939 @ 2.2 GHz[/color] [color=sandybrown]GFX: --- HIS 256MB X1600XT Turbo EceQ [/color] [color=sandybrown]MB: --- ASUS A8R-MVP Express 200 Crossfire[/color] [color=sandybrown]RAM:---2 gig DDR 400 DUAL [/color] [color=sandybrown]HD: ---Maxtor 80gig SATA[/color] [color=sandybrown]Sound:---MAXSound O HQ (Onboard)[/color] [color=sandybrown]ROM:---LG SuperMulti DVD Writer[/color] [color=sandybrown]Conn:---ADSL 384/128 PSU:---Antec TurePower 2 430w [/color] [color=sandybrown]3dMark05: Pending 3dMark06:Pending [/color]

May 10, 2005, 06:17 AM	#6
LuCifer DH sig maker! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fontucky Posts: 1,158 Rep Power: 0	Another Point for nVIDIA. nVIDIA:Owning the Weak __________________

May 14, 2005, 08:15 PM	Thread Starter #8
DjFlame DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 56 Rep Power: 0	bah,me already order he 6600GT, can i oc it or enable somethings on it? __________________ [color=sandybrown]CPU: ---AMD64 3200+ 939 @ 2.2 GHz[/color] [color=sandybrown]GFX: --- HIS 256MB X1600XT Turbo EceQ [/color] [color=sandybrown]MB: --- ASUS A8R-MVP Express 200 Crossfire[/color] [color=sandybrown]RAM:---2 gig DDR 400 DUAL [/color] [color=sandybrown]HD: ---Maxtor 80gig SATA[/color] [color=sandybrown]Sound:---MAXSound O HQ (Onboard)[/color] [color=sandybrown]ROM:---LG SuperMulti DVD Writer[/color] [color=sandybrown]Conn:---ADSL 384/128 PSU:---Antec TurePower 2 430w [/color] [color=sandybrown]3dMark05: Pending 3dMark06:Pending [/color]

May 14, 2005, 08:48 PM	#10
rico01 Audio Junkie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 126 Rep Power: 0	You can overclock it with ease. Most manufacturers have their own OC program or you could use NVTweak. __________________ My middle-name is Audiophile.

May 14, 2005, 09:10 PM	#11
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,779 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	even with overclocking it still would not be able to compare to a 6800 vanilla. [color=blue]6600GT specs[/color]: 500Mhz core 1Ghz Memory 128Bit memory bus 8 Pixel Pipelines [color=blue]6800 vanilla specs[/color]: 325Mhz Core 900Mhz Memory 256Bit bemory bus 12 Pixel Pipelines __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

May 15, 2005, 01:28 PM	Thread Starter #12
DjFlame DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 56 Rep Power: 0	as long as i get a card what runs bf2 smooth on high details. What features does the new GF 6 series have above the ati 9* series ? Whats the best driver for it, the Nvidia Omega Drivers 1.6693 (Forceware 66.93) or the standard 71.89 ? PS: I stil have a AGP M/B. And in our money here in South Africa the 6600GT cost R2100 and the 6800 cost R4000 (rand). __________________ [color=sandybrown]CPU: ---AMD64 3200+ 939 @ 2.2 GHz[/color] [color=sandybrown]GFX: --- HIS 256MB X1600XT Turbo EceQ [/color] [color=sandybrown]MB: --- ASUS A8R-MVP Express 200 Crossfire[/color] [color=sandybrown]RAM:---2 gig DDR 400 DUAL [/color] [color=sandybrown]HD: ---Maxtor 80gig SATA[/color] [color=sandybrown]Sound:---MAXSound O HQ (Onboard)[/color] [color=sandybrown]ROM:---LG SuperMulti DVD Writer*[/color] [color=sandybrown]Conn:---ADSL 384/128 PSU:---Antec TurePower 2 430w [/color] [color=sandybrown]3dMark05: Pending 3dMark06:Pending [/color] Last edited by DjFlame; May 15, 2005 at 05:29 PM.*

May 16, 2005, 01:22 AM	#13
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,779 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	BF2 will be playing very similar to how it was playing with your 9800xt card, if you can turn up details higher, it won't be by much more. But if you're going to keep your card, i would recommend you use the newest official drivers, and then after that you start to experiment with some modified or beta drivers. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

May 16, 2005, 04:53 PM	Thread Starter #14
DjFlame DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 56 Rep Power: 0	Ok need more info. Got my 6600GT, my temp threshold says its 145 deg cel , but i cant change it lower, is this correct? And what is the maximum heat my GPU can go safely? It idle on 45 and in load (3dmark) its on 55 about, but what can the max be but safely? Thx Flame PS: radeon 9800SE>Pro , 3dmark 05 =2286 radeon 9800SE>Pro , 3d mark 03= 6091 6600GT 3d mark 05, = 3319, Stock speeds 6600GT 3d mark 03, = 8131 Stock speeds __________________ [color=sandybrown]CPU: ---AMD64 3200+ 939 @ 2.2 GHz[/color] [color=sandybrown]GFX: --- HIS 256MB X1600XT Turbo EceQ [/color] [color=sandybrown]MB: --- ASUS A8R-MVP Express 200 Crossfire[/color] [color=sandybrown]RAM:---2 gig DDR 400 DUAL [/color] [color=sandybrown]HD: ---Maxtor 80gig SATA[/color] [color=sandybrown]Sound:---MAXSound O HQ (Onboard)[/color] [color=sandybrown]ROM:---LG SuperMulti DVD Writer[/color] [color=sandybrown]Conn:---ADSL 384/128 PSU:---Antec TurePower 2 430w [/color] [color=sandybrown]3dMark05: Pending 3dMark06:Pending [/color] Last edited by DjFlame; May 16, 2005 at 05:01 PM.

May 16, 2005, 06:35 PM	Thread Starter #15
DjFlame DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 56 Rep Power: 0	ok, V-Tuner says speeds are 300/1000. I update BIOS and its sepose to update to 500/1000 website says (gigabyte). V -tuner stil says 300/1000. Update V-Tuner all is fine now, exept my temp option in nvidia settings is gone now...Reinstalled old V-Tuner stil gone. Installed new V-Tuner and reinstalled driver, stil gone. Did the BIOS update remove the temp option? If it did , i would say it is gay fron gigabyte aint it? __________________ [color=sandybrown]CPU: ---AMD64 3200+ 939 @ 2.2 GHz[/color] [color=sandybrown]GFX: --- HIS 256MB X1600XT Turbo EceQ [/color] [color=sandybrown]MB: --- ASUS A8R-MVP Express 200 Crossfire[/color] [color=sandybrown]RAM:---2 gig DDR 400 DUAL [/color] [color=sandybrown]HD: ---Maxtor 80gig SATA[/color] [color=sandybrown]Sound:---MAXSound O HQ (Onboard)[/color] [color=sandybrown]ROM:---LG SuperMulti DVD Writer[/color] [color=sandybrown]Conn:---ADSL 384/128 PSU:---Antec TurePower 2 430w [/color] [color=sandybrown]3dMark05: Pending 3dMark06:Pending [/color]

May 16, 2005, 06:43 PM	#16
rico01 Audio Junkie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 126 Rep Power: 0	Hard to say about safe temps but I'd say somewhere along the regions of 80-90C. GPUs are more resistant to heat (or so I've read) than CPUs but heat is still an issue. Your temps are absolutely fine. It's lower than my 6800GT which idles at 51. __________________ My middle-name is Audiophile.

May 16, 2005, 08:02 PM	Thread Starter #17
DjFlame DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 56 Rep Power: 0	i jsut read in this review (http://www.tweaktown.com/document.ph...Id=761&dPage=2) , they overclocked the agp like mine to PCI-E speeds, 720/1200. Can i do the same as long as i keep the GPU core cool enough and whats the temp's closely ? __________________ [color=sandybrown]CPU: ---AMD64 3200+ 939 @ 2.2 GHz[/color] [color=sandybrown]GFX: --- HIS 256MB X1600XT Turbo EceQ [/color] [color=sandybrown]MB: --- ASUS A8R-MVP Express 200 Crossfire[/color] [color=sandybrown]RAM:---2 gig DDR 400 DUAL [/color] [color=sandybrown]HD: ---Maxtor 80gig SATA[/color] [color=sandybrown]Sound:---MAXSound O HQ (Onboard)[/color] [color=sandybrown]ROM:---LG SuperMulti DVD Writer[/color] [color=sandybrown]Conn:---ADSL 384/128 PSU:---Antec TurePower 2 430w [/color] [color=sandybrown]3dMark05: Pending 3dMark06:Pending [/color]

May 16, 2005, 08:40 PM	#18
rico01 Audio Junkie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 126 Rep Power: 0	Never expect that you can duplicate an overclock someone else has made. The overclockability of something is dependant on chip quality, environment, temps, memory quality, etc and perhaps most of all: sheer luck. If you can overclock your card to those levels, great. No artifacts and running stable? Even better. Will you be able to do it? No friggin clue. __________________ My middle-name is Audiophile.

May 17, 2005, 05:16 AM	Thread Starter #19
DjFlame DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 56 Rep Power: 0	can i get a lack of performance if the power supply is too small? i have a 300W what give 15 amp at 12+, can it be the problem also look at this i posted for info : http://driverheaven.net/showthread.p...752#post608752 Thx __________________ [color=sandybrown]CPU: ---AMD64 3200+ 939 @ 2.2 GHz[/color] [color=sandybrown]GFX: --- HIS 256MB X1600XT Turbo EceQ [/color] [color=sandybrown]MB: --- ASUS A8R-MVP Express 200 Crossfire[/color] [color=sandybrown]RAM:---2 gig DDR 400 DUAL [/color] [color=sandybrown]HD: ---Maxtor 80gig SATA[/color] [color=sandybrown]Sound:---MAXSound O HQ (Onboard)[/color] [color=sandybrown]ROM:---LG SuperMulti DVD Writer[/color] [color=sandybrown]Conn:---ADSL 384/128 PSU:---Antec TurePower 2 430w [/color] [color=sandybrown]3dMark05: Pending 3dMark06:Pending [/color]

May 17, 2005, 10:37 AM	#20
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