Nvidia Geforce 6200 128mb PCI (not express!!)

SatsukiMikata

Hey, quickly! ChampionFX, can you tell me how much you can overclock the core and memory on the 6200?

ChampionFx

Hello SatsukiMikata

Core originally @ 350 MHz / you can't overclock core ,at least in my case, system will immediately freeze .
Memory originally @ 410 MHz / you can overclock it safely to 500 MHz or peak I think 515 MHz, but I settled on 500 MHz .

SatsukiMikata

What are you using to overclock? Can you explain 'freeze' a bit more? Are you using RAM Heatsinks?

Thanks!!!

ChampionFx

I'm using plain simple Coolbits 2.0 http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=815
Right click this file and choose " MERGE " then you will get confirmation if you want to add this in to your registry , choose OK and it's all done.
Open your Nvidia settings panel and you will see overclocking option .

Core MHz is probably locked @ 350 MHz, If you try more then system will likely freeze immediately or when trying to play games.
Memory overclocking is OK

No need for extra cooling because CORE MHz is generating heat and is kept at default 350Mhz, memory overclocking will only result in some artifacts if you go too far but 500Mhz is fine without artifacts.

SatsukiMikata

Okay, great then!

I have 4 extra Copper RAM Heatsinks. I'll apply them.

No one bought my video card on eBay. I think it was becuase the heatsink and fan were damaged. I ordered a copper heatsink and fan from Newegg, it should be here by monday. I'm going to advertise it as Super Overclockable on eBay. Once it sells I'll buy the 6200!!!

*Fingers Crossed*

P.s. - Does the 6200 256Mb have 4 or 8 ram modules?

ChampionFx

BFG FX 5500 OC 256MB PCI bus have 8 ram modules ( Infineon )

3D Fuzion GeForce 6200 128MB PCI bus have 2 ram modules ( Samsung )

BFG GeForce 6200 OC 256MB PCI bus have 2 ram modules ( Vdata )

There is still possibility , that you can get BFG with 4 ram modules or other brand name than
" Vdata "


BFG 6200 is running comfortably under huge stress on hot days around 58 C and average cool days about 38 - 42 C which is fantastic

SatsukiMikata

Thanks!

I read that the Geforce 8000 Series should be released in the next month or so. Do you think once it's released prices will immediately lower, or do you think it will take a few weeks? $160 is a lot of money for such a limited graphics card. I could get a flippin' Geforce 7600GS 512Mb for that much. Stupid marketing! Which is like 10 times better. It's all so depressing!

There seems to be an AGP area on the motherboard, but there's no bus actually soldered into it. Should I do some research and see if I can get one soldered in--and then buy an AGP card? Will it be worth all the hassle?

Peh...

SatsukiMikata

Never mind. I did some research and I found out that my motherboard only supports a 2x/4x AGP bus. There are much better PCI Video Cards than 2x/4x AGP Video Cards.:`(

Another option I have: Upgrade from P4 2.2Ghz to a P4 3.06Ghz With Hyper-Threading.

Intel is planning on droping P4s by 60% near the end of this month to make room for their new Core 2 Duo/Extremes. Do you think this will lower or raise the no longer manufactured P4 3.06 HT 478Pin 533Mhz 512Kb-L2k Processors? They're going for about $120 on ebay, compared to about $200-275 3 months ago.

ChampionFx

Hello

I'm completely lost , you just found that you have AGP bus in your machine ?
I tough that you were limited only to PCI bus video cards and your previous card was JATON 5700LE PCI bus video card.
AGP 4x is still much better than PCI bus , but not enough for latest modern AGP cards with require 8x AGP speed otherwise it may not function.

Upgrade from P4 2.2GHz to 3.06GHz with hyper-treading is not worth it if your machine supports only up to 4x AGP bus, your video card will be bottleneck for very powerful CPU.

8000 Nvidia series will be focused for sure on PCI x 16 express bus and even if they make AGP version your system can't handle such a card.
BFG have 7800GS OC 256MB AGP bus but even if miracle happen and you will fit it in to your machine including power requirement connector, it would be running only at 4x maximum speed support that your system have.
Because of no support for 8 x AGP bus in your system, it must be quite older for todays hardware.

I would try to only fit some better cheap AGP bus video card and that would be about the end of my upgrades.

ChampionFx

SatsukiMikata

Little story,
my system " Compaq Presario 6330US " is completely unbelievable.
This machine have everything set up and running for AGP bus 2x /4x .
Just by running DXdiagnostics, there it shows AGP enabled
Everest home edition shows that AGP bus is ready, including range for memory assignment
3DMARK05 even shows somehow mystery AGP bus ghost slot !!!!!!

THERE IS NO AGP BUS SLOT ON THIS MOTHERBOARD !!!!!!! PERIOD

This motherboard " ASUS P4G533-LA " have only three PCI bus available slots, and no I'm not stupid I know very much how AGP bus look like .
Where Compaq came up with those Motherboards is beyond me !!!!
PSU power supply have AGP video card connector ready free for use

There is nothing more frustrating, that custom AGP bus enabled motherboard WITHOUT AGP SLOT , at least they left three PCI bus slots for me.
I'm must be lucky camper

SatsukiMikata

Hey!

There's an area with silver dots, exactly where the AGP bus would go. It's void of the physical bus. I believe it's a 4x bus. Does this mean I can get a 4x/8x AGP card, but run at 4x? Would I need a PSU Upgrade? How much would it cost to get one soldered in?

My PSU is 200 watt. :$

ChampionFx

PCI bus should suppose be dark brown color, and AGP bus should be about white color.

If you get AGP 8x video card and have power requirements ( AGP is more hungry than PCI bus ) then it will run anyway only at AGP speed of your machine which is 4x. ( if at all )

It's for sure also tricky because a few things and your new card may not run at all

1. Power requirements ( 200 Watt is not much for AGP ) maybe enough for older AGP video cards.

2. If new video card detects AGP 4x speed on your machine but your new card is AGP 8x speed , it may not let you install new card.

3. Bios may need flash update.

4. Any other unknown reason especially with lates AGP video cards that I'm not aware of .


Many powerful PSU's are cheap these days, unless you have brand name computer like Compaq , Dell etc.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/01/...e_right_power/

SatsukiMikata

HallOoOoOo!!

I've decided to have a complete computer upgrade, check it out here: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...0&page=2&pp=15

Thanks for your help.
-Satsuki

SatsukiMikata

Hey, my 5700LE is on eBay now: http://cgi.ebay.com/PCI-Geforce-FX-5...QQcmdZViewItem

ChampionFx

Wow

That 5700LE is having killer look , the cooling is very nicely done

I've read your topic about system upgrade and there are for sure many good advices.
Only one little problem that I would be rather sceptical is too much mixing with many Dell components including OS XP install.
Those guys are very informative , yet I would love to know which one actually done that, went through the big hassle upgrading so many components in computer like older Dell
Almost everything is possible to them , but you will be the one who may get stuck completely with useless hardware and in some case without possibility of returning them.
Just be careful my friend because there is no 100% guarantee.
Well you will have to try it to see if it works.

Many guys build new computer from well known configurations and they know for 100% that it will work, in your case it's quite risky.
That's why this whole topic here about 6200 PCI bus card was only for those who do not plan any major upgrade with their older system like me.
Just plain simple video card upgrade, that's all.
Is the BFG 6200 expensive ? yes it is but it will serve good for a little while before completely new system upgrade.
I do not plan any parts of my current Compaq Presario 6330US to be used for a new build.
SatsukiMikata I wish you good luck buddy !!

PS: I'm sorry for my grammar

doxology83

anyone know if the 3dfuzion 6200 would work on an old ecs k7s5a mobo? my parents are running an old athlon system and have a geforce ti200 running in it, its got half a gig of ram and its an athlon 1800+. i have a chance to get the card for a good price, would it be worth it? did the driver problems ever get worked out? thanks.

doxology83

i forgot to say the mobo has an agp slot but it is only a 4x and i can get the pci card for $30 brand new, so is that a good option or would an agp card be better even thought it is only to run at half the speed of the because it is only a 4x mobo instead of an 8x.

ChampionFx

I'm sorry doxology83 ,

there is no way in the world that I would somehow know if the k7s5a mobo is 100 %compatible with 3D Fuzion 6200, probably yes.

Definitely you should go with AGP video card even it's only 4x .

A major advantage of AGP is its superior bandwidth capacity. Higher bandwidth means that more data can be transferred at a much faster rate. For example, the data rate for AGP 1X mode (66MHz = 264 MB/sec) is twice as fast as that of PCI (33MHz = 132MB/sec), while AGP 2X mode (133 MHz = 528 MB/sec) is four times faster than PCI. AGP 4X (266 MHz = 1.02 GB/sec) !!!!!!! over PCI bus.

The AGP bus helps improve overall system performance in two ways:

• Graphics operations are faster because they don't have to share bus bandwidth with other peripherals.
• Other peripheral devices are also faster because they don't have to share the PCI bus with the bandwidth-intensive graphics operations.

In addition, the AGP architecture implements special features designed specifically to enhance your PC's graphics performance. These include [color=#0000ff]bus mastering[/color] capabilities, [color=#0000ff]AGP texturing[/color] also known as Direct Memory Execute ([color=#0000ff]DIME[/color]) mode, [color=#0000ff]pipelining[/color] and [color=#0000ff]side band signaling[/color].

$30 is not much at all for brand new 3D Fuzion 6200 but you can get also some good a little bit older AGP video cards for around $40.

This could be a good older card 8x,4x
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...Tab=0&NoMapp=0

doxology83

that card is $64 double that of the 6200 i can get. i mean the computer has a ti200 in it right now. and if i try to put to powerful of a video card in it, aren't i going to run into problems with the processor trying to keep up speed wise?

ChampionFx

Hello

That $64 card was just an example , you may still find better price or different brand of card.
Try to look for card supporting 8x and 4x speed and you should not have any problem with it.

It really depend what you want to do with your computer.
6200 PCI bus can't take full advantage of SHADER 3.0 because of much slower PCI bus.
Don't forget , that for PCI bus only computer owners, 6200 PCI bus is the latest modern card out there and that doesn't mean that is running at blast speed.
I would love to have choice of AGP 4x , I will be fishing for AGP card in no time.
Another seatback is the 64-bit memory interface of 6200 PCI bus.
With AGP you will get at least 128-bit or even 256-bit blastoff speed that will for 100% make difference
Also for a CPU sake get AGP card , PCI bus is taking bites of CPU

animekenji

I am currently running X1600 Pro AGP in a 4x slot with no problems.

ChampionFx

Holy cow !

One more reason that is reminding me , how stupid I was when I bought my then new Compaq back in year 2002 with motherboard without AGP slot ( at least 4X !!!!! )
I'm glad animekenji , that is working great , it must be one hell of the ride comparing to my poor PCI video card !!!!!

simo98088

check this out:
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums...g_id=273158149

Aperently its a x1300 PCI card.

randolph

you would, should and could only "milk PCI" if, you're not interested in getting a new board at all. OR since maybe your processor is a socket 478 and getting a decent board anywhere would be impossible (well though there's e-bay). Other than that, i think you should start saving up for a new pc.

ChampionFx

NICE FIND !!!!!!! simo98088

I'm getting headache and I was living in a dream world that BFG 6200 256MB PCI bus card is the newest modern card out there for us, PCI bus slot dudes !!!!

X1300 PCI 128MB GDDR2 450MHz/533MHz video card will for 100% spank BFG 6200 PCI bus card @ss in performance, and I'm afraid big time HAHAHAA .

@ randolph
Time for new killer machine is cooooming soon !!!

ChampionFx

Hello simo98088

Thank you for asking on the other forum about where to find sellers of Radeon X1300 PCI bus.
I would also like to know who is selling this video card and where. ( U.S ? )
Please keep asking , maybe someone will came up with answer

JohanSk

The x1300 PCI isn't shaping up to be too fast. It even says that it is designed for office computers with damaged graphics boards and not for gaming. The main problems are the 128 MB graphics memory and the 32-bit interface...and I thought the 64-bit was bad for the 6200. Basically, stick with the 6200.

CtErick

Greetings everyone!

I'm new to these forums so I apologize for not introducing myself. Anyhow, i'll get to the point.

Yestrday I purchased the 3D Fuzion 6200 PCI slot 128MB card. Everything was running smooth game wise until I started to get major lag problems. When I go to play .wmv's in windows media player my computer freezes/locks up and I have to wait 1-2 minutes for taskmanager to close wmplayer manually. Not only that, but when I record with Fraps in games, my computer locks up instantly as soon as I press the record button. Also when I take screenshots in Gamecam ingame on halo they come out as this:



I never had any of these problems with my 9250 radeon ever.

Specs(DELL DIMENSION 3000 LOL);

• Intel Celeron D 330 (2.66GHz) Processor
• 512MB PC3200 DDR Memory
• 80GB 7,200rpm Hard Drive
• Six USB 2.0 Ports and Three PCI Slots
• Windows XP
• 250w PS

I have the newest drivers but maybe, I was wondering..would older drivers solve this problem?

And the 6200 128mb is better than the 6200 256MB PCI right? Or is the 256mb a tad better?



BTW, the card is awesome FPS wise. Constant 100 FPS everymap in HALO PC everything HIGH no speculars.

ChampionFx

This is quote from Japan website :
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl...lr%3D%26sa%3DG
The cards used section entitled "PLX" chip, chip achieved through the primary interface that PCI-E core interfaces to the PCI conversion. This [color=#0000ff]Xianqia [/color]Used knives version designed for 450MHz core frequency, Xiancun specifications for 128MB GDDR2 (64Bit), Xiancun frequency of 533MHz.

Here is more about who is about to sell this card in U.S, but they mention 32-bit bus width.
I see some big confusion here

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...630145245.html

1. Radeon X1300 overclocking, could be your friend and do some good speeding job
2. Four pixel processors , four texture units and two vertex processors
3. BFG 6200 64-bit is considered by today gaming standards as a dinosaur era , yet it pulls out quite nice FPS on 3DMark05 benchmark
4. I hope that X 1300 is at least 64-bit

@ CtErick

Keep up reading previous responses , there is a lot of information how you can possibly get rid of problems with 3D Fuzion 6200.

CtErick

POST EDITED

Can you go over the main factors with me champion? I have really bad eyes and I really don't want to strain them for over 10 pages ow

Also, honestly.. I don't have that much of an idea to what i'm doing so it would be nice if you can help me here champion (someone referred me here and said your very good at helping and finding solutions.)


regards