The Godfather: Part I or II ?

Vampyromaniac · Mar 10, 2003, 10:41 AM

I've been talking to 2 fellows at work . . . They both think Part II of The Godfather is better than the first.

The question I pose is: which film in The Godfather trilogy do you think is the best?
Yes, I've included Part III, even though the main argument was between I and II
(. . . and even though I've heard not many people liked it

)

EDIT by ToshiroOC: Spoiler Warning! Don't scroll down unless you've seen the movies...

I, of course, liked the first Godfather film more than Part II.

I'll try to be brief
In Part II, I felt that not much of great interest occurred, I kept waiting for major plot points to be revealed
Also, there weren't many "big time" characters, like in the first. The first had huge mob bosses, and other dangerous individuals.
I think the difference in the endings is a big contrast, too.
In the first, you see the family simultaneously eliminate several major enemies, all intercut with the baptism.
In Part II, you have only 3 deaths, and not as well executed cinematographically (imo) as the first.
And look who died:
Pentangeli? He just kills himself quietly. Fredo? He was a weak "dummy" anyway; not a big accomplishment killing him.
Roth? Though he had some power, the film didn't show him to be as powerful or dangerous as the bosses from the first film.
And compare the final shots of both films:
The first shows a new Don being paid tribute as a door closes on his worried wife. Part II? Michael sitting in a chair, reminiscing.
And overall, I thought Pacino gave a much more powerful performance in the first; you could just feel his presence burn on the screen in some scenes.
The rest of the characters from the first, I felt, were more significant and more memorable.
Also, of the family itself, the first showed a big powerful family, with much detail on many levels.
In Part II, not much was shown of the family, but you get the impression that it is much smaller, less powerful, a little dull for me.
Basically, I think the first film was more rich than Part II, in most ways.

Well, which did you like most, and why?

EDIT: everything I wrote, is not to say I don't like Part II. No, I like both films, but I do like the first more

ToshiroOC · Mar 10, 2003, 10:50 AM

I haven't seen the movies yet, and I just barely saw the slightest glimpse of what you wrote Vampy and went "Oh WHOA, spoiler!"

fornicatarachnid · Mar 10, 2003, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ToshiroOC
I haven't seen the movies yet, and I just barely saw the slightest glimpse of what you wrote Vampy and went "Oh WHOA, spoiler!"

You haven't seen the Godfather movies ? I thought everybody had seen them

Vampyromaniac · Mar 10, 2003, 10:59 AM

Eh, lol where have you been for the last 30 years?

Well thanks for the whitespace, I never thought about Teh Spoilers Factor

ToshiroOC · Mar 10, 2003, 11:01 AM

Nope, I haven't seen em... I keep telling myself to get around to seeing them but I never do

A friend of mine has the DVD's, so maybe I'll go watch em at his place later...

fornicatarachnid · Mar 10, 2003, 11:04 AM

I enjoyed all three but like most movies, apart from maybe Aliens, the first of a series is

always the best IMO

Vampyromaniac · Mar 10, 2003, 11:05 AM

Watch Pacino very closely, esp in the first

when he kills the Governor of Pluto and invents the Internet, making billions from p0rn sites, then creates the potion to read people's minds,,,,, you'll see what a great actor he is

ToshiroOC · Mar 10, 2003, 11:19 AM

Gah!! SPOILER!!

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 10, 2003, 11:52 AM

I LIKED THEM ALL.......

JavaFox · Mar 10, 2003, 11:59 AM

Toshiro, if you watch the first one any time soon, I have one word for you: orange.

Just keep it in mind.

Anyone else here know what I'm talkin' about?

ToshiroOC · Mar 10, 2003, 12:00 PM

Orange?! Oh frickin great, now that's going to just haunt me until I watch it, then I'm going to completely forget about it until it comes up in the movie

Now I'm getting impatient

I'm going to try and watch these soon now.

Vampyromaniac · Mar 11, 2003, 03:43 AM

NaumoJR · Mar 11, 2003, 03:52 AM

They were all great. But the origianl Godfather was the best.

netchspadetch · Mar 13, 2003, 07:04 PM

The first was a masterpiece the second was good and the third ...

Vampyromaniac · Mar 14, 2003, 07:46 AM

someone voted for Part II, and didn't say why!

***Veridian3*** · Mar 14, 2003, 04:41 PM

I've gone for part 2 as well...basically because i felt it built on part 1 very well, the DeNero flashbacks were excellent and in my opinion DeNiros 2nd best performance ever (2nd to Raging Bull)- I also thought Pacino's performance was better in the second where his character has changed completely from the one we see at the beginning of Part 1 as everything (family/business) falls apart around him.

Stu

Mar 10, 2003, 10:41 AM	#1
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 74 System Specs	The Godfather: Part I or II ? I've been talking to 2 fellows at work . . . They both think Part II of The Godfather is better than the first. The question I pose is: which film in The Godfather trilogy do you think is the best? Yes, I've included Part III, even though the main argument was between I and II (. . . and even though I've heard not many people liked it ) EDIT by ToshiroOC: Spoiler Warning! Don't scroll down unless you've seen the movies... I, of course, liked the first Godfather film more than Part II. I'll try to be brief In Part II, I felt that not much of great interest occurred, I kept waiting for major plot points to be revealed Also, there weren't many "big time" characters, like in the first. The first had huge mob bosses, and other dangerous individuals. I think the difference in the endings is a big contrast, too. In the first, you see the family simultaneously eliminate several major enemies, all intercut with the baptism. In Part II, you have only 3 deaths, and not as well executed cinematographically (imo) as the first. And look who died: Pentangeli? He just kills himself quietly. Fredo? He was a weak "dummy" anyway; not a big accomplishment killing him. Roth? Though he had some power, the film didn't show him to be as powerful or dangerous as the bosses from the first film. And compare the final shots of both films: The first shows a new Don being paid tribute as a door closes on his worried wife. Part II? Michael sitting in a chair, reminiscing. And overall, I thought Pacino gave a much more powerful performance in the first; you could just feel his presence burn on the screen in some scenes. The rest of the characters from the first, I felt, were more significant and more memorable. Also, of the family itself, the first showed a big powerful family, with much detail on many levels. In Part II, not much was shown of the family, but you get the impression that it is much smaller, less powerful, a little dull for me. Basically, I think the first film was more rich than Part II, in most ways. Well, which did you like most, and why? EDIT: everything I wrote, is not to say I don't like Part II. No, I like both films, but I do like the first more __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250 Last edited by Vampyromaniac; Mar 10, 2003 at 11:19 AM.

Mar 10, 2003, 10:50 AM	#2
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	I haven't seen the movies yet, and I just barely saw the slightest glimpse of what you wrote Vampy and went "Oh WHOA, spoiler!" __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Mar 10, 2003, 10:59 AM	Thread Starter #4
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 74 System Specs	Eh, lol where have you been for the last 30 years? Well thanks for the whitespace, I never thought about Teh Spoilers Factor __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Mar 10, 2003, 11:01 AM	#5
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Nope, I haven't seen em... I keep telling myself to get around to seeing them but I never do A friend of mine has the DVD's, so maybe I'll go watch em at his place later... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Mar 10, 2003, 11:05 AM	Thread Starter #7
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 74 System Specs	Watch Pacino very closely, esp in the first when he kills the Governor of Pluto and invents the Internet, making billions from p0rn sites, then creates the potion to read people's minds,,,,, you'll see what a great actor he is __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Mar 10, 2003, 11:04 AM	#6
fornicatarachnid Clanless Join Date: May 2002 Location: On the web, England UK Posts: 714 Rep Power: 0	I enjoyed all three but like most movies, apart from maybe Aliens, the first of a series is always the best IMO

Mar 10, 2003, 11:19 AM	#8
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Gah!! SPOILER!! __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Mar 10, 2003, 11:52 AM	#9
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	I LIKED THEM ALL....... __________________

Mar 10, 2003, 11:59 AM	#10
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Toshiro, if you watch the first one any time soon, I have one word for you: orange. Just keep it in mind. Anyone else here know what I'm talkin' about?

Mar 10, 2003, 12:00 PM	#11
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Orange?! Oh frickin great, now that's going to just haunt me until I watch it, then I'm going to completely forget about it until it comes up in the movie Now I'm getting impatient I'm going to try and watch these soon now. __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Mar 11, 2003, 03:43 AM	Thread Starter #12
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 74 System Specs	orange __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Mar 11, 2003, 03:52 AM	#13
NaumoJR Paranoid Android Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Planet Telex Posts: 1,029 Rep Power: 0	They were all great. But the origianl Godfather was the best.

Mar 13, 2003, 07:04 PM	#14
netchspadetch DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	The first was a masterpiece the second was good and the third ...

Mar 14, 2003, 07:46 AM	Thread Starter #15
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 74 System Specs	someone voted for Part II, and didn't say why! __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Mar 14, 2003, 04:41 PM	#16
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 4,832 Rep Power: 174	I've gone for part 2 as well...basically because i felt it built on part 1 very well, the DeNero flashbacks were excellent and in my opinion DeNiros 2nd best performance ever (2nd to Raging Bull)- I also thought Pacino's performance was better in the second where his character has changed completely from the one we see at the beginning of Part 1 as everything (family/business) falls apart around him. Stu