New gfx card + new sig

~~Asuka~~ · Apr 2, 2003, 11:41 PM

I'm waiting already three months for a Radeon 9500 Pro now, and it's still practically impossible to get - except for one retailer I found last friday on the net which supposedly has it in stock, but for exploitative 250â‚¬ (US$275)

Since ATI apparently doesn't care for the European market (it's not just Germany, as I heard it's no better in other European countries), I simply said, "FOAD, ATI!!!" and bought from the concurrence

So now I got myself a fine Gainward Ultra/750 based on the GF4 Ti4800SE for 165â‚¬ (US$180), which even kicks the Radeon 9500's sorry ass

Hail to the king, baby!

So I've now created a nifty sig image where I've crammed all three resultion benchmarks into

Matth · Apr 3, 2003, 12:14 PM

The tables will be turned in 3DMark 2003 - but any real game that demanded DX9 hardware, would have a very small market!

The_Neon_Cowboy · Apr 3, 2003, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by Matth
The tables will be turned in 3DMark 2003 - but any real game that demanded DX9 hardware, would have a very small market!

3dmark 2003 is not a realistic benchmark or relyable for that matter. sikking objects 36 yime per fram etc stuff no current games uses and that vagely resemble upcomeing games. it tests diffrent cards with diffrent code. so the only way you compair bechmarks with 2003. Is to have the exact same videocard,motherbord,and cpu as the person you want to compare with . to say the least most of us will be relying on 2001se untill we find a benchmark to repcale it and there are a few in the works....

Necrosis · Apr 3, 2003, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Asuka
I'm waiting already three months for a Radeon 9500 Pro now, and it's still practically impossible to get - except for one retailer I found last friday on the net which supposedly has it in stock, but for exploitative 250â‚¬ (US$275)
Since ATI apparently doesn't care for the European market (it's not just Germany, as I heard it's no better in other European countries), I simply said, "FOAD, ATI!!!" and bought from the concurrence
So now I got myself a fine Gainward Ultra/750 based on the GF4 Ti4800SE for 165â‚¬ (US$180), which even kicks the Radeon 9500's sorry ass Hail to the king, baby!
So I've now created a nifty sig image where I've crammed all three resultion benchmarks into

Glad to hear you finally picked up a card you like.

I still prefer ATI myself, but I too would be a bit miffed having waited so long.

FuNsTeR · Apr 3, 2003, 06:01 PM

its next to impossible to get a radeon 9500 pro here in the UK ... Europe has been shafted ... i managed to get a 9700 non pro but Â£45/$68 above budget

~~Asuka~~ · Apr 3, 2003, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
3dmark 2003 is not a realistic benchmark or relyable for that matter. sikking objects 36 yime per fram etc stuff no current games uses and that vagely resemble upcomeing games. it tests diffrent cards with diffrent code. so the only way you compair bechmarks with 2003. Is to have the exact same videocard,motherbord,and cpu as the person you want to compare with . to say the least most of us will be relying on 2001se untill we find a benchmark to repcale it and there are a few in the works....

Yes, that's absolutely right... it's just so far out there without even the least connection to current games, I think they should rename it to "FantasyMark" or something

I was just curious and run it just to see the outcome (default settings - didn't do any tweaks or optimizations yet):
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=544434
Not to shabby, I guess... except that stupid 3DMark 03 falsely detected my card as a Ti 4200

(Ti 4200 w/ 8x AGP would be 4680 - 4800SE is 4400 w/ 8x AGP)

~~Asuka~~ · Apr 3, 2003, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FuNsTeR1970
its next to impossible to get a radeon 9500 pro here in the UK ... Europe has been shafted ... i managed to get a 9700 non pro but Â£45/$68 above budget

That's nasty...

There's only one retailer over here who claims to have the 9700 no Pro in stock, but he wants about 300â‚¬ (US$330) for it

~~Asuka~~ · Apr 3, 2003, 07:12 PM

Just noticed - why isn't my sig image showing?

Looks like Lycos isn't reliable enough for this

Anyone knows where I could put my sig image? (it's only 10kb)

edit: Now, at 21:50 over here (GMT+1), I can see it again... looks like it's going up and down like a seasick surfer

A more reliable place for the image would be still nice, tho.

merry · Apr 4, 2003, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FuNsTeR1970
its next to impossible to get a radeon 9500 pro here in the UK ... Europe has been shafted ... i managed to get a 9700 non pro but Â£45/$68 above budget

So, you too. Over here I only found ONE 9500pro, Hercules and 300 euros... I guess it was only one, it disappeared the next day. Worse, my sister couldn't buy one in the Netherlands.

I'll probably end up with a 9700 non-pro (bba bulk), about 300 euros also... It should be better than the 9500pro with the 256bit mem-bus though.

But I still have to raise the 300 euros

Necrosis · Apr 4, 2003, 10:01 AM

So say if I wanted to make some money. Basically all I would have to do is buy a huge stock of ATI 9500 Pro - ATI 9700 Pro's...send them to my cousins and setup a small buisiness online and sell them a reasonable prices?

Talk about a great oppurtunity!!

~~Asuka~~ · Apr 4, 2003, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by merry
So, you too. Over here I only found ONE 9500pro, Hercules and 300 euros... I guess it was only one, it disappeared the next day. Worse, my sister couldn't buy one in the Netherlands.

I'll probably end up with a 9700 non-pro (bba bulk), about 300 euros also... It should be better than the 9500pro with the 256bit mem-bus though.

But I still have to raise the 300 euros

Since I didn't have 300â‚¬ either (press Ctrl+Alt+E for Euro-sign) and didn't want to wait any longer, I just went with the Gainward Ultra/750 with the GF4 Ti4800SE, which is even faster than a Radeon 9500 Pro

(see my sig) I always try to stay around 150â‚¬ so I can buy a new card about once a year, rather than spend 300â‚¬ or more and only get one every few years... besides, the 300â‚¬ + cards are vastly overpriced anyway, about half a year later you can often get them for around 200â‚¬ already. Then, when you then finally upgrade, you don't get much anymore for your once-300â‚¬-card, so you'll have a really high loss. Selling off a 150â‚¬ card after a year often still brings half of it

Avaiability over here was quite good, so I could find a store where I could get it for 165â‚¬

So I'd say you shouldn't have too much difficulties either... if you don't need 128MB (which only makes sense for FSAA at really high resolutions), you can also get the 64MB version which is a good bit cheaper.

FuNsTeR · Apr 4, 2003, 06:06 PM

Asuka if you still need to sig hosted i'll do it for you mate on my isp webspace

just email me

~~Asuka~~ · Apr 4, 2003, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by FuNsTeR1970
Asuka if you still need to sig hosted i'll do it for you mate on my isp webspace

just email me funster1970@btinternet.com

Thanks

Mail is on the way, check your inbox. Surely beats having it on a free webpage, which isn't that reliable...
I'd put it on my ISP's webspace, but I have a low traffic limit there, so it's generally down at least the last week of the month (if not more), because I won't pay for the surplus traffic

So I already relocated all important stuff to Lycos, which is free and doesn't have a traffic limit, but it's not 100% reliable (still much more than other free sites, though)
If anyone wants to take a look at my Lycos page, it's here:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/downloadwunder/
My homepage at my ISP (didn't do any work on it since some time already

)
http://home.arcor.de/minako.aino/
My Seiken Densetsu 3 page (on my ISP's webspace):
http://home.arcor.de/minako.aino/sd3/

FuNsTeR · Apr 5, 2003, 11:19 AM

email been sent mate with the new addy for your sig .. glad to help out

kinetic · Apr 5, 2003, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FuNsTeR1970
its next to impossible to get a radeon 9500 pro here in the UK ... Europe has been shafted ... i managed to get a 9700 non pro but Â£45/$68 above budget

You can get one here not bad prices either!

~~Asuka~~ · Apr 5, 2003, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by kinetic
You can get one here not bad prices either!

Ok, let's translate this into Euros so I can compare (http://finanzen.abacho.de/waehrungsrechner/?submit=1)
Now the Radeon 9500 Pro would be around 160 GBP, that would be... whopping 232.52â‚¬ !!!

Geez, and I already thought stuff over here was expensive

I could've possibly got one for 215â‚¬ (147.94 GBP), but that was already too expensive considering its performance!

Ok, let's check some other prices here...
9500 non-Pro for around 140 GBP (203.46â‚¬) - now that's even far worse, as one shop over here already has it for 150â‚¬ (103.22 GBP), but I didn't want it because of it's poor performance.
GF4 Ti 4800 SE (Ti 4400-based) for 148G (215.09â‚¬) - cheapest store over here has one for 180â‚¬ (123.86G)
GF4 Ti 4800 full (Ti 4600-based) for 196G (284.84â‚¬) - I already saw one for 260â‚¬ (178.91G) at a *warehouse* - and warehouses often tend to have rather high prices, the cheapest store offers it already for 250â‚¬ (172.03G)!

Oh my... *this* is considered "cheap" in the UK?

I already thought prices in Germany were high (and they are when compared with US prices!), but this...

My heartfelt condolences, guys

FuNsTeR · Apr 5, 2003, 01:12 PM

UK = Rip off central companies rub their hands when it comes to the UK ....

Kinetic ... cheers mate but i already own a 9700 non pro ... which is damn sweet ... i think i might have to upgrade my Mobo as its a bit old getting ABIT KR7A-Raid nearly 18 months old ... thinking about getting a asus board with the Nforce2 chipset ... Novatch is my fave online shop

kinetic · Apr 5, 2003, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FuNsTeR1970

Kinetic ... cheers mate but i already own a 9700 non pro ... which is damn sweet ... i think i might have to upgrade my Mobo as its a bit old getting ABIT KR7A-Raid nearly 18 months old ... thinking about getting a asus board with the Nforce2 chipset ... Novatch is my fave online shop

Thanks for the link

Never heard of Novatech but it looks a good online source.

FuNsTeR · Apr 5, 2003, 08:31 PM

been using it for nearly 3 years mate .... the keenest prices online in the UK .... class company to deal with as well ... i buy 90% of my hardware from them ...

~~Asuka~~ · Apr 5, 2003, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by FuNsTeR1970
been using it for nearly 3 years mate .... the keenest prices online in the UK .... class company to deal with as well ... i buy 90% of my hardware from them ...

Indeed - their prices are a lot better than those of that other shop

Checking a few items, they don't seem any more expensive than over here. Â£139,82 (206â‚¬) for a full Ti4800 is surprisingly cheap even

Had I found such a card *that* cheap over here, I would've taken it instantly!
So you got the 9700 for Â£182,12 (267.64â‚¬), right? Not a bad price indeed, the cheapest 9700 over here is 269â‚¬ (should they indeed have it in stock, as they say) - but that would've been still much too expensive for me

Vampyromaniac · Apr 6, 2003, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Asuka
Ok, let's translate this into Euros so I can compare (http://finanzen.abacho.de/waehrungsrechner/?submit=1)
Now the Radeon 9500 Pro would be around 160 GBP, that would be... whopping 232.52â‚¬ !!!

It comes out to about $247.50, I don't think that's too bad since the list price at ATi is $219, and it is an import

~~Asuka~~ · Apr 6, 2003, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
It comes out to about $247.50, I don't think that's too bad since the list price at ATi is $219, and it is an import

Ok, but considering its performance, it's vastly overpriced at $248

For that price, you can already get a full Ti 4800 which kicks the R9500pro's ass twice as high as the Ti 4800SE already does

Vampyromaniac · Apr 7, 2003, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Asuka
For that price, you can already get a full Ti 4800 which kicks the R9500pro's ass twice as high as the Ti 4800SE already does

guess that depends on what you mean by "to kick ass"

But hey, as long as your card does what you want it to, that's all that should matter.

Apr 2, 2003, 11:41 PM	#1
~~Asuka~~ BANNED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 579 Rep Power: 0	New gfx card + new sig I'm waiting already three months for a Radeon 9500 Pro now, and it's still practically impossible to get - except for one retailer I found last friday on the net which supposedly has it in stock, but for exploitative 250â‚¬ (US$275) Since ATI apparently doesn't care for the European market (it's not just Germany, as I heard it's no better in other European countries), I simply said, "FOAD, ATI!!!" and bought from the concurrence So now I got myself a fine Gainward Ultra/750 based on the GF4 Ti4800SE for 165â‚¬ (US$180), which even kicks the Radeon 9500's sorry ass Hail to the king, baby! So I've now created a nifty sig image where I've crammed all three resultion benchmarks into

Apr 3, 2003, 06:01 PM	#5
FuNsTeR Caledonian and Proud Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Darkest Ayrshire Posts: 1,305 Rep Power: 88 System Specs	its next to impossible to get a radeon 9500 pro here in the UK ... Europe has been shafted ... i managed to get a 9700 non pro but Â£45/$68 above budget __________________ "They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear satanic messages ..... but that's nothing, if you play it forward it will install Windows"

Apr 3, 2003, 07:12 PM	Thread Starter #8
~~Asuka~~ BANNED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 579 Rep Power: 0	Â§%&@# Lycos Just noticed - why isn't my sig image showing? Looks like Lycos isn't reliable enough for this Anyone knows where I could put my sig image? (it's only 10kb) edit: Now, at 21:50 over here (GMT+1), I can see it again... looks like it's going up and down like a seasick surfer A more reliable place for the image would be still nice, tho. Last edited by Asuka; Apr 3, 2003 at 08:50 PM.

Apr 4, 2003, 06:06 PM	#12
FuNsTeR Caledonian and Proud Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Darkest Ayrshire Posts: 1,305 Rep Power: 88 System Specs	Asuka if you still need to sig hosted i'll do it for you mate on my isp webspace just email me __________________ "They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear satanic messages ..... but that's nothing, if you play it forward it will install Windows" Last edited by FuNsTeR; Apr 5, 2003 at 01:06 PM.

Apr 5, 2003, 11:19 AM	#14
FuNsTeR Caledonian and Proud Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Darkest Ayrshire Posts: 1,305 Rep Power: 88 System Specs	email been sent mate with the new addy for your sig .. glad to help out __________________ "They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear satanic messages ..... but that's nothing, if you play it forward it will install Windows"

Apr 3, 2003, 12:14 PM	#2
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	The tables will be turned in 3DMark 2003 - but any real game that demanded DX9 hardware, would have a very small market!

Apr 4, 2003, 10:01 AM	#10
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	So say if I wanted to make some money. Basically all I would have to do is buy a huge stock of ATI 9500 Pro - ATI 9700 Pro's...send them to my cousins and setup a small buisiness online and sell them a reasonable prices? Talk about a great oppurtunity!!

Apr 4, 2003, 04:35 PM	Thread Starter #11
~~Asuka~~ BANNED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 579 Rep Power: 0	Originally posted by merry So, you too. Over here I only found ONE 9500pro, Hercules and 300 euros... I guess it was only one, it disappeared the next day. Worse, my sister couldn't buy one in the Netherlands. I'll probably end up with a 9700 non-pro (bba bulk), about 300 euros also... It should be better than the 9500pro with the 256bit mem-bus though. But I still have to raise the 300 euros Since I didn't have 300â‚¬ either (press Ctrl+Alt+E for Euro-sign) and didn't want to wait any longer, I just went with the Gainward Ultra/750 with the GF4 Ti4800SE, which is even faster than a Radeon 9500 Pro (see my sig) I always try to stay around 150â‚¬ so I can buy a new card about once a year, rather than spend 300â‚¬ or more and only get one every few years... besides, the 300â‚¬ + cards are vastly overpriced anyway, about half a year later you can often get them for around 200â‚¬ already. Then, when you then finally upgrade, you don't get much anymore for your once-300â‚¬-card, so you'll have a really high loss. Selling off a 150â‚¬ card after a year often still brings half of it Avaiability over here was quite good, so I could find a store where I could get it for 165â‚¬ So I'd say you shouldn't have too much difficulties either... if you don't need 128MB (which only makes sense for FSAA at really high resolutions), you can also get the 64MB version which is a good bit cheaper.

Apr 4, 2003, 11:17 PM	Thread Starter #13
~~Asuka~~ BANNED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 579 Rep Power: 0	Originally posted by FuNsTeR1970 Asuka if you still need to sig hosted i'll do it for you mate on my isp webspace just email me funster1970@btinternet.com Thanks Mail is on the way, check your inbox. Surely beats having it on a free webpage, which isn't that reliable... I'd put it on my ISP's webspace, but I have a low traffic limit there, so it's generally down at least the last week of the month (if not more), because I won't pay for the surplus traffic So I already relocated all important stuff to Lycos, which is free and doesn't have a traffic limit, but it's not 100% reliable (still much more than other free sites, though) If anyone wants to take a look at my Lycos page, it's here: http://mitglied.lycos.de/downloadwunder/ My homepage at my ISP (didn't do any work on it since some time already ) http://home.arcor.de/minako.aino/ My Seiken Densetsu 3 page (on my ISP's webspace): http://home.arcor.de/minako.aino/sd3/

Apr 5, 2003, 01:05 PM	Thread Starter #16
~~Asuka~~ BANNED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 579 Rep Power: 0	Originally posted by kinetic You can get one here not bad prices either! Ok, let's translate this into Euros so I can compare (http://finanzen.abacho.de/waehrungsrechner/?submit=1) Now the Radeon 9500 Pro would be around 160 GBP, that would be... whopping 232.52â‚¬ !!! Geez, and I already thought stuff over here was expensive I could've possibly got one for 215â‚¬ (147.94 GBP), but that was already too expensive considering its performance! Ok, let's check some other prices here... 9500 non-Pro for around 140 GBP (203.46â‚¬) - now that's even far worse, as one shop over here already has it for 150â‚¬ (103.22 GBP), but I didn't want it because of it's poor performance. GF4 Ti 4800 SE (Ti 4400-based) for 148G (215.09â‚¬) - cheapest store over here has one for 180â‚¬ (123.86G) GF4 Ti 4800 full (Ti 4600-based) for 196G (284.84â‚¬) - I already saw one for 260â‚¬ (178.91G) at a warehouse - and warehouses often tend to have rather high prices, the cheapest store offers it already for 250â‚¬ (172.03G)! Oh my... this is considered "cheap" in the UK? I already thought prices in Germany were high (and they are when compared with US prices!), but this... My heartfelt condolences, guys

Apr 5, 2003, 01:12 PM	#17
FuNsTeR Caledonian and Proud Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Darkest Ayrshire Posts: 1,305 Rep Power: 88 System Specs	UK = Rip off central companies rub their hands when it comes to the UK .... Kinetic ... cheers mate but i already own a 9700 non pro ... which is damn sweet ... i think i might have to upgrade my Mobo as its a bit old getting ABIT KR7A-Raid nearly 18 months old ... thinking about getting a asus board with the Nforce2 chipset ... Novatch is my fave online shop __________________ "They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear satanic messages ..... but that's nothing, if you play it forward it will install Windows"

Apr 5, 2003, 08:31 PM	#19
FuNsTeR Caledonian and Proud Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Darkest Ayrshire Posts: 1,305 Rep Power: 88 System Specs	been using it for nearly 3 years mate .... the keenest prices online in the UK .... class company to deal with as well ... i buy 90% of my hardware from them ... __________________ "They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear satanic messages ..... but that's nothing, if you play it forward it will install Windows"

Apr 5, 2003, 09:24 PM	Thread Starter #20
~~Asuka~~ BANNED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 579 Rep Power: 0	Originally posted by FuNsTeR1970 been using it for nearly 3 years mate .... the keenest prices online in the UK .... class company to deal with as well ... i buy 90% of my hardware from them ... Indeed - their prices are a lot better than those of that other shop Checking a few items, they don't seem any more expensive than over here. Â£139,82 (206â‚¬) for a full Ti4800 is surprisingly cheap even Had I found such a card that cheap over here, I would've taken it instantly! So you got the 9700 for Â£182,12 (267.64â‚¬), right? Not a bad price indeed, the cheapest 9700 over here is 269â‚¬ (should they indeed have it in stock, as they say) - but that would've been still much too expensive for me

Apr 6, 2003, 10:06 PM	Thread Starter #22
~~Asuka~~ BANNED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 579 Rep Power: 0	Originally posted by Vampyromaniac It comes out to about $247.50, I don't think that's too bad since the list price at ATi is $219, and it is an import Ok, but considering its performance, it's vastly overpriced at $248 For that price, you can already get a full Ti 4800 which kicks the R9500pro's ass twice as high as the Ti 4800SE already does