made the jump to vista

YAYitsAndrew · Oct 31, 2007, 05:42 PM

Well, last night I decided to format and install vista business! I'm really digging it so far. If anyone's got any advice or tips, be sure to share them.

***craig5320*** · Oct 31, 2007, 05:47 PM

Always wipe front to back.

Judas · Oct 31, 2007, 05:48 PM

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Always wipe front to back.

wtf?

YAYitsAndrew · Oct 31, 2007, 05:58 PM

It's better for your bojangles. I meant vista tips

Judas · Oct 31, 2007, 05:59 PM

bojangles?

YAYitsAndrew · Oct 31, 2007, 06:11 PM

Ooh ooh here's a legit question, I've got 32 bit version is there a way to easily up that to 64 bit? Is there any real reason to?

**temeteus82** · Oct 31, 2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by YAYitsAndrew

Ooh ooh here's a legit question, I've got 32 bit version is there a way to easily up that to 64 bit? Is there any real reason to?

yes and since the future is 64-bit.

Windows Vista Alternate Media

Zelig · Oct 31, 2007, 06:40 PM

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Ooh ooh here's a legit question, I've got 32 bit version is there a way to easily up that to 64 bit? Is there any real reason to?

If you get 4GB or more of ram. Otherwise, don't bother.

OldBuzzard · Oct 31, 2007, 07:26 PM

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If you get 4GB or more of ram. Otherwise, don't bother.

I beg to differ. As long as you have enough ram to run 32 bit, there is no reason not to move to 64 bit.

Having a 64 bit processor, and running a 32 bit OS with it, is like buying a convertible, and then never putting the top down.

YAYitsAndrew · Oct 31, 2007, 07:42 PM

I ordered the 64bit version of the dvd, just to have it when I'm ready to upgrade again. I've read about poor 64 bit driver support and no 32 bit emulation, so I want to wait until the rest of the world is ready for me to have a 64 bit OS.

EcPercy · Oct 31, 2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by YAYitsAndrew

I ordered the 64bit version of the dvd, just to have it when I'm ready to upgrade again. I've read about poor 64 bit driver support and no 32 bit emulation, so I want to wait until the rest of the world is ready for me to have a 64 bit OS.

I am running Vista Ultimate x64 and I have not had any issues finding drivers for all of my stuff. I haven't had any issues running x86 programs. There is a folder called "program files (x86)" where it installs any applications that are written for 32 bit.

This is a new computer though. I built it in May. It has been extremely stable running vista x64.

Zardon · Oct 31, 2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by YAYitsAndrew

I ordered the 64bit version of the dvd, just to have it when I'm ready to upgrade again. I've read about poor 64 bit driver support and no 32 bit emulation, so I want to wait until the rest of the world is ready for me to have a 64 bit OS.

What you have read is wrong. im running the 64 bit Vista and have been for quite some time, drivers are all fine, and all my business apps work. in fact all the DH work is done on the machine as well as gaming/surfing/email, and anything else I care to do. 32bit emulation is fine, infact when you install 32bit apps on vista 64 bit you have a "program files (x86)" folder.

I wish we had time to do a vista article, there is so much fud and crap circulating on the net its no wonder people don't know what the hell is going on.

If I was to move to 32bit Windows id immediately lose 12 GIG of ram as well as not have some 64bit calls to the xeons for video work (30-35% reduction in processing speed on occasions). I used to dual boot (last year) but ive just binned the 32bit partition.

Matth · Oct 31, 2007, 09:29 PM

Compatibility is the strong point of 32 bit mode, if there are not 64 bit drivers for a problem piece of hardware, then you're pretty much stuffed.

The reverse of that, is if you are making a Vista system build, may as well make it 64 bit to start with, as it has significant advantages for "large address aware" applications over the old /3GB switch in XP or the equivalent setting in Vista 32 - even with as low as 2GB RAM, as the virtual space problems begin long before physical RAM is close to exhaustion.

Judas · Oct 31, 2007, 09:37 PM

Theres even more confusion on what windows can correctly identify for available memory....

while it's true, 32bit allowed up to 4gb of available physical memory being addressed, this doesn't consider ALL the physical memory present in the system (video card is addressable physical memory, so it's also in the equation)

Essentially, you'll never see 4gb in a 32bit OS...

You'll be lucky to see 3.5gb
typically 3gb is the limit, but never shows up AS 3gb...

what's really interesting for SLi/Crossfire users:

If you have 1 512mb video card, that's 512mb of memory that is gone from what you can adress for physical ram.....

but you pop in another card and it brings that total up to 1gb of memory simply being GONE in addressable ram... ( got 1gb video card in crossfire?... that's 2gb GONE)...

To keep things simplified and easy to digest..

If your running 32bit windows, don't bother installing any more then 2gb of ram, it's fruitless... Plan on having more ram, install 64bit windows before you proceed.... nothings more irritating then running a machine with crippled ram.

And don't bother with the "address extensions" for 32bit, not enless you can tolerate a pretty DAMN significant decrease in memory speeds and overall performance. Windows bloats up when you do this....

yeah it's pretty damn irritating seeing the amount of crap people are spewing all over the place on the net.

just another thing i was reading..

microsoft requires that for any hardware/software manufacturer that is making software for windows, MUST provide fully certified WHQL drivers for both 32 and 64bit OSes, if either are missing, they don't get certification. And they won't be able to claim vista support.

BlueMak · Oct 31, 2007, 09:39 PM

If I get an academic version of Vista 32bit Home Premium, is it possible to install the 64bit somehow?

YAYitsAndrew · Oct 31, 2007, 09:41 PM

I think I'll sit on the 64 bit copy when it comes then, until I do my next upgrade. Shouldn't bee too long away... I need to run UT3

~

Senor_Mota · Oct 31, 2007, 09:41 PM

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Well, last night I decided to format and install vista business!

I'm sorry.

Judas · Oct 31, 2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by YAYitsAndrew

I think I'll sit on the 64 bit copy when it comes then, until I do my next upgrade. Shouldn't bee too long away... I need to run UT3

~

mmmm

UT3 on vista 64bit...

at least i hope epic doesn't do something stupid and not release a 64bit native app with the game.....

YAYitsAndrew · Oct 31, 2007, 09:47 PM

wow... first downside. the built in zip utility is WORTHLESS. It was like 1.5 hours for 40mb

Judas · Oct 31, 2007, 09:50 PM

Don't use the zip utility.. it's a known bug with vista..... go download winzip/winrar (i prefer the later)...

YAYitsAndrew · Oct 31, 2007, 09:55 PM

I'm not a fan of winrar's interface, I've used 7zip with success though. I'll install that. How hard can it be to fix an unzip utility? A new one pops up everyday.

Zardon · Oct 31, 2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by YAYitsAndrew

I'm not a fan of winrar's interface, I've used 7zip with success though. I'll install that. How hard can it be to fix an unzip utility? A new one pops up everyday.

really? I think winrar is so intuitive its almost invisible. I mean to extract. you right click on the file and hit extract (to folder or in the root folder you are in). not sure how much easier it could get. unless you spend a lot of time within the main application, but I can't say I ever load it, even to compress files, simple right click, choose your options.... job done.

BlueMak · Oct 31, 2007, 10:08 PM

Winrar must be the single best shareware utility out there. Plus if you buy it you get life time free upgrades.
I agree with Zardon, very very easy to use.

**temeteus82** · Oct 31, 2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

really? I think winrar is so intuitive its almost invisible. I mean to extract. you right click on the file and hit extract (to folder or in the root folder you are in). not sure how much easier it could get. unless you spend a lot of time within the main application, but I can't say I ever load it, even to compress files, simple right click, choose your options.... job done.

Same can be done with 7-Zip too

Zelig · Oct 31, 2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

really? I think winrar is so intuitive its almost invisible. I mean to extract. you right click on the file and hit extract (to folder or in the root folder you are in). not sure how much easier it could get. unless you spend a lot of time within the main application, but I can't say I ever load it, even to compress files, simple right click, choose your options.... job done.

7-zip's pretty much the same, except it's free, and has a native 64-bit version.

Zardon · Oct 31, 2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

Same can be done with 7-Zip too

Hey im glad ive you to tell me what I already know

I think if you re-read what I wrote I was merely stating that I don't see how winrar could be classed as having a terrible interface, most of the leading compression apps integrate into the OS with two click procedures. Winrar is no different.

YAYitsAndrew · Oct 31, 2007, 10:15 PM

I'll give winrar a shot. 7zip only unzips. I'll have to find something better when the winrar trial runs out though

Also, 7zip was choking on unzipping directly into program files, I'd assume on some of that UAC stuff that's starting to get on my nerves (2 extra screens just to make a new folder in program files?)

Zardon · Oct 31, 2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by YAYitsAndrew

I'll give winrar a shot. 7zip only unzips. I'll have to find something better when the winrar trial runs out though

the trial never really "runs" out, it just gives you a registration popup if you load the main application after the trial period expires -- which you can then close and continue using like you always did. if you stick with the OS integration nothing ever appears. The only time I load the full application is if I get files with the 001. 002. naming convention to manually extract into a folder. (associate 001 with winrar, double click it to load full app. then hit extract).

**temeteus82** · Oct 31, 2007, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

Hey im glad ive you to tell me what I already know

I think if you re-read what I wrote I was merely stating that I don't see how winrar could be classed as having a terrible interface, most of the leading compression apps integrate into the OS with two click procedures. Winrar is no different.

yes ha I have the bad habit to read just the first few words in your post

I've used winrar in the past I do like it and stuff. But since 7-Zip is freeware and works well for me I use it. And Andrew 7-Zip can pack to 7z, tar, Gzip, Bzip2 and Zip formats.

Zardon · Oct 31, 2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zelig

7-zip's pretty much the same, except it's free, and has a native 64-bit version.

yeah, problem is the 64bit version is rarely any faster (it might be for some people however), even in 32bit mode my machine is limited to the hard drive speed for extraction.

Oct 31, 2007, 05:42 PM	#1
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	made the jump to vista Well, last night I decided to format and install vista business! I'm really digging it so far. If anyone's got any advice or tips, be sure to share them. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

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Oct 31, 2007, 05:58 PM	Thread Starter #4
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	It's better for your bojangles. I meant vista tips __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Oct 31, 2007, 06:11 PM	Thread Starter #6
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	Ooh ooh here's a legit question, I've got 32 bit version is there a way to easily up that to 64 bit? Is there any real reason to? __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Oct 31, 2007, 07:42 PM	Thread Starter #10
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	I ordered the 64bit version of the dvd, just to have it when I'm ready to upgrade again. I've read about poor 64 bit driver support and no 32 bit emulation, so I want to wait until the rest of the world is ready for me to have a 64 bit OS. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

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Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	Compatibility is the strong point of 32 bit mode, if there are not 64 bit drivers for a problem piece of hardware, then you're pretty much stuffed. The reverse of that, is if you are making a Vista system build, may as well make it 64 bit to start with, as it has significant advantages for "large address aware" applications over the old /3GB switch in XP or the equivalent setting in Vista 32 - even with as low as 2GB RAM, as the virtual space problems begin long before physical RAM is close to exhaustion. __________________ Mary had a little lamb, Her father shot it dead Now Mary takes her lamb to school, Between two crusts of bread

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BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,471 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	If I get an academic version of Vista 32bit Home Premium, is it possible to install the 64bit somehow? __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Oct 31, 2007, 09:41 PM	Thread Starter #16
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	I think I'll sit on the 64 bit copy when it comes then, until I do my next upgrade. Shouldn't bee too long away... I need to run UT3 ~ __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Oct 31, 2007, 09:47 PM	Thread Starter #19
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	wow... first downside. the built in zip utility is WORTHLESS. It was like 1.5 hours for 40mb __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Oct 31, 2007, 09:55 PM	Thread Starter #21
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	I'm not a fan of winrar's interface, I've used 7zip with success though. I'll install that. How hard can it be to fix an unzip utility? A new one pops up everyday. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Oct 31, 2007, 10:08 PM	#23
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,471 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Winrar must be the single best shareware utility out there. Plus if you buy it you get life time free upgrades. I agree with Zardon, very very easy to use. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Oct 31, 2007, 10:15 PM	Thread Starter #27
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	I'll give winrar a shot. 7zip only unzips. I'll have to find something better when the winrar trial runs out though Also, 7zip was choking on unzipping directly into program files, I'd assume on some of that UAC stuff that's starting to get on my nerves (2 extra screens just to make a new folder in program files?) __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com