Bigfoot!

Vikingod · Oct 31, 2007, 06:47 PM

Just saw this on the front of Yahoo!, I'm quite surprised its national news. This is about 10 mins from my work (I drove past the section of forest just yesterday), so its been around the rumor mill a few times here.

So, what do you think?!?

Here are a few more pics

BlueMak · Oct 31, 2007, 06:52 PM

Interesting. I don't know why some people are so much against even the possibility of "bigfoot" existing. I don't believe in it and the photo is just not clear enough for me to say otherwise, still, interesting photo.

Falstaff · Oct 31, 2007, 07:03 PM

I am bigfoot, size 13 shoes and shaggy...

niceguyrichy · Oct 31, 2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

I am bigfoot, size 13 shoes and shaggy...

?

LHC · Oct 31, 2007, 07:41 PM

If there is an entire organization devoted to finding bigfoot, I think there would be some very hard evidence by now if he did exist...

OmegaRED · Oct 31, 2007, 07:42 PM

Fake or it's a bear.

Whenever you see a picture of an Alien, Bigfoot or the Lochness monster it will always be dark or blurry because a clear photo would show what it really was (not paranormal) and the fraud would be exposed. In this case, it's probably a genuine mistaken identity.

You'll know Bigfoot exists when someone hits him with their car and drives the carcass into town.

jp306 · Oct 31, 2007, 08:42 PM

There is no Bigfoot people. We would of found one by now, if there was one(Dead or Alive). I wanted to post a link from the P&T BS show about this, but they've been removed from youtube.

Judas · Oct 31, 2007, 09:43 PM

there is zero evidence that the orginal filmed bigfoot back in the early 60s? was fake.. and it wasn't blurry.... it was an excellent shot that no one has ever been able to reproduce, even with computer technology....

it's possible.. but it's still a far cry from being definitely factual.

OmegaRED · Oct 31, 2007, 09:46 PM

There's more proof of ghosts than Bigfoot and that ain't saying much. One film in like 40 years isn't proof of anything except an obvious fraud.

Judas · Oct 31, 2007, 09:52 PM

obvious fraud?

i'd like you to analyze that footage and find proof of it being fraud.....

the evidence of being that it's 40 years old, there simply wasn't the technology or the available materials to reproduce such a scene..... even today it's way more then difficult.

OmegaRED · Nov 1, 2007, 01:15 AM

Oh please I've seen the video a million times including a few shows which pointed out ways in which it could be fake. I have my own reasons for not caring/believing in Bigfoot:

- 40 years later and there hasn't been another credible video?

- 40 years later and no body found?

- If there is one Bigfoot there has to be others. Are we supposed to believe Bigfoot managed to survive for thousands of years evading contact with humans but has reproduced so few times that there's only one of them? There would be hundreds of Bigfoots alive today.

-An animal that big would have no natural predators (aside from bears and people) and would leave behind unique traces from kills. From an evolutionary standpoint, it would have developed hunting and survival skills to become the dominant predator and would probably have attacked humans if there was contact... not walked away like the videos & photos always show.

Falstaff · Nov 1, 2007, 01:21 AM

Look,
I have had the chance to talk to people in every single nation that I have visited and lived about ghosts, stories, tales etc. I find a kernal of truth in most of it, mostly urban legend, hyperbole, tradtion etc. I think there is a distinct possibility that an anthropoid creature does exist and is outside our understanding to comprehend, as we are destroying our planet, I am sure they will succumb as well to our efforts to conquer our world. Hubris? probably, but we are not the only life forms in this solar system or this galaxy either, mark my words.

OmegaRED · Nov 1, 2007, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

Look,
I have had the chance to talk to people in every single nation that I have visited and lived about ghosts, stories, tales etc. I find a kernal of truth in most of it, mostly urban legend, hyperbole, tradtion etc. I think there is a distinct possibility that an anthropoid creature does exist and is outside our understanding to comprehend, as we are destroying our planet, I am sure they will succumb as well to our efforts to conquer our world. Hubris? probably, but we are not the only life forms in this solar system or this galaxy either, mark my words.

Maybe...maybe you're right.

This is the most credible photo of Bigfoot I can find.

Judas · Nov 1, 2007, 05:29 AM

i think anything possible.... simply passing something off as being false for absalutely sure when there is many things in which we cannot thoroughly comb for and be 100% certain about, is rather closed minded, and tends to lead to several things. But i'm not saying i'm 100% sure that there is such a creature... It doesn't make sense to simply beleive that with the mounting evidence of such, that it simply does excist...

When i end up walking into one... then i'll have made up my mind.

jp306 · Nov 1, 2007, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

i think anything possible.... simply passing something off as being false for absalutely sure when there is many things in which we cannot thoroughly comb for and be 100% certain about, is rather closed minded, and tends to lead to several things. But i'm not saying i'm 100% sure that there is such a creature... It doesn't make sense to simply beleive that with the mounting evidence of such, that it simply does excist...

When i end up walking into one... then i'll have made up my mind.

The thing is that there is no evidence at all. That crappy video from 40 years ago simply is just crap. Video's today can't be trusted either because of how easy it is for people to make something that looks good. Just ask yourself this, If we can find bones of dinosaurs from millions of years ago why haven't we found a bigfoot skeleton yet? Sure anything is possible, like the Flying Spaghetti Monster for example

Judas · Nov 1, 2007, 07:35 AM

there are alot of things we are even today... still discovering...... all over the planet.. that have been around for centuries...

just because we haven't found full on hardcore proof... doesn't mean something doesn't excist...

Falstaff · Nov 1, 2007, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRED

Maybe...maybe you're right.
This is the most credible photo of Bigfoot I can find.

oh stop that!!

we got the ball rolling now

**Mousey** · Nov 1, 2007, 10:26 AM

Looks more like a monkey to me :/
I don't think bigfoot even exists, there's hundreds of fake bigfoot vids on youtube and i'm sure that Zardon and other veteran photoshoppers would agree that practically anything can be faked by anyone talented enough with photoshop.

OmegaRED · Nov 1, 2007, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

there are alot of things we are even today... still discovering...... all over the planet.. that have been around for centuries...

just because we haven't found full on hardcore proof... doesn't mean something doesn't excist...

When I was younger I used to think like that, I believed in UFC's, Ghosts and all sorts of paranormal stuff. I read more books on these subjects than I'd like to admit and the truth is there's so little evidence for these things that they might as well not exist.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the perfect example to illustrate how far you can take it when no "hardcore proof" is needed. You can dream up anything and say "we don't know everything...it could exist".

IMO, the only thing we know for certain is that all across the planet, for hundreds of years, people will make stories up for shits and giggles.

Vikingod · Nov 1, 2007, 01:27 PM

The big "pro" argument that I see is "they find new species in the rainforest all the time, why not in the US". While I see the point, its not valid.

First of all, the Allegheny Forst is about 500,000 acres, not tiny, but not huge. To boot, people live all around it. The Amazon is 1.2 Billion acres (1,200,000,000 for comparisons sake), and is almost entirely unexplored by man. That's almost as large as the entire US.

There is also a HUGE disparity of the biodiversity of the rainforest (estimated 3.0 million species, or about 30% of all species on the planet) and that of the Alleghenies (I guess 10,000+).

The "dead body" argument is easily refutable (how often do you find dead deer in the forest?), but if there were a great ape in the US, there would certainly be some sign of it. Also, most great apes are social and live in groups, so I find it funny this one is always by itself.

I have to say though, I love the Bigfoot, Lock Ness Monster, and all the rest. Its good to exercise the imagination, I think. It's also healthy not to think we know everything. There are no doubt wonderous beasts yet undiscovered.

OmegaRED · Nov 1, 2007, 01:52 PM

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I have to say though, I love the Bigfoot, Lock Ness Monster, and all the rest. Its good to exercise the imagination, I think. It's also healthy not to think we know everything. There are no doubt wonderous beasts yet undiscovered.

You're telling me! Remember this thing?

If Bigfoot was spotted underwater I'd almost believe it...he wouldn't be the weirdest thing discovered that's for sure.

Tinkerhell · Nov 1, 2007, 03:03 PM

Bogus. As noted by Viking, the "unchartered" regions left in the US are tiny & boxed off by to much humanity. If it's any sort of primate it most likely would have a life span no longer than humans which mean it's got a breeding span of no more than about 50 years. Maybe 60 or 70 if it was really exceptional. Even if it was, for some odd reason, solitary except for a rare breeding season it would need a large enough population base to continue. We would have definitive proof of some form by now - photo's or skeletons or something. As for not seeing skeletons of deer - you don't get into the woods enough or don't have as many deer or way more carrion eaters (which I seriously doubt) than we do in the southern US. I see deer remains all the time in my ramblings through the woods.

If it was something suspected of existing in the ocean or in the heart of South American jungle I'd not doubt it too strongly.
You could tell me that R'lyeh existed somewhere on the bottom of the pacific and I'd be less likely to call BS than I would over bigfoot.

Judas · Nov 1, 2007, 03:59 PM

remember, "bigfoot" has just as many if not more sightings in canada... and that's a SHITLOAD more uncharted and unwatched parts, much larger then the amazon me thinks.

OmegaRED · Nov 1, 2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Judas

remember, "bigfoot" has just as many if not more sightings in canada... and that's a SHITLOAD more uncharted and unwatched parts, much larger then the amazon me thinks.

People lie, and in the case of woodland areas where Bigfoot is often spotted they happen to be crazy and liers.

Sightings aren't evidence of anything. All it takes is one guy with a lot of spare time on his hands to fake Bigfoot tracks or put together a monkey suit. Sure, they'll be lots of respectable witnesses but they all saw the same hoax

Judas · Nov 1, 2007, 07:10 PM

not saying there aren't liars.... simply being the case that there is truths/half truths/half lies/lies

the question is.

can you, yourself, be 100% certain that they don't excist... PERIOD? If so, How?

PangingJr · Nov 1, 2007, 07:36 PM

So, what do i think?!?
i think this is more a personal belief than anything else, and as yet this is a endless question to be answered.

OmegaRED · Nov 1, 2007, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

not saying there aren't liars.... simply being the case that there is truths/half truths/half lies/lies

the question is.

can you, yourself, be 100% certain that they don't excist... PERIOD? If so, How?

No, I can't be 100% certain that Bigfoot doesn't exist. However, there's no evidence he does exist and many of the previous cases have been debunked. I already posted my reasons for dismissing the myth of Bigfoot and others have added to them. Unless Bigfoot "experts" can counter those questions I won't be changing my mind anytime soon.

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i think this is more a personal belief than anything else, and as yet this is a endless question to be answered.

I don't think so. How is this any different than saying you believe in Vampires or Werewolves despite no evidence to the contrary? If someone told you they believed in those things you'd call them something along the lines of retarded.

Neshi · Nov 1, 2007, 09:54 PM

just the same as religion.. how many people believe in their god without any physical evidence..
You'll never be 100% certain if it exists, or not...

OmegaRED · Nov 1, 2007, 10:09 PM

God is a very personal thing to believe in...is Bigfoot really that important to anyone? Who can say they are emotionally invested in Bigfoots existence?

PangingJr · Nov 1, 2007, 10:14 PM

OmegaRED, nope i didn't mean this can be a belief without evidence or based on no fact.
but to some this can be a belief based on anything likes silly news, words, picture...
and that, there will be endless questions to be answered by both people who have already believed and who never believes in this at all.
and many yet there are who cannot decide what to believe, or will not decide what they will believe at this time.

Oct 31, 2007, 06:47 PM	#1
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	Bigfoot! Just saw this on the front of Yahoo!, I'm quite surprised its national news. This is about 10 mins from my work (I drove past the section of forest just yesterday), so its been around the rumor mill a few times here. So, what do you think?!? Here are a few more pics

Oct 31, 2007, 06:52 PM	#2
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,471 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Interesting. I don't know why some people are so much against even the possibility of "bigfoot" existing. I don't believe in it and the photo is just not clear enough for me to say otherwise, still, interesting photo. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Oct 31, 2007, 07:03 PM	#3
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	I am bigfoot, size 13 shoes and shaggy... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Oct 31, 2007, 07:41 PM	#5
LHC Stingy and Stubborn Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,325 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	If there is an entire organization devoted to finding bigfoot, I think there would be some very hard evidence by now if he did exist... __________________

Oct 31, 2007, 07:42 PM	#6
OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,688 Rep Power: 173 System Specs	Fake or it's a bear. Whenever you see a picture of an Alien, Bigfoot or the Lochness monster it will always be dark or blurry because a clear photo would show what it really was (not paranormal) and the fraud would be exposed. In this case, it's probably a genuine mistaken identity. You'll know Bigfoot exists when someone hits him with their car and drives the carcass into town. __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs

Oct 31, 2007, 08:42 PM	#7
jp306 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 309 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	There is no Bigfoot people. We would of found one by now, if there was one(Dead or Alive). I wanted to post a link from the P&T BS show about this, but they've been removed from youtube. __________________ "I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous - everyone hasn't met me yet." Rodney Dangerfield.

Oct 31, 2007, 09:46 PM	#9
OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,688 Rep Power: 173 System Specs	There's more proof of ghosts than Bigfoot and that ain't saying much. One film in like 40 years isn't proof of anything except an obvious fraud. __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs

Nov 1, 2007, 01:15 AM	#11
OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,688 Rep Power: 173 System Specs	Oh please I've seen the video a million times including a few shows which pointed out ways in which it could be fake. I have my own reasons for not caring/believing in Bigfoot: - 40 years later and there hasn't been another credible video? - 40 years later and no body found? - If there is one Bigfoot there has to be others. Are we supposed to believe Bigfoot managed to survive for thousands of years evading contact with humans but has reproduced so few times that there's only one of them? There would be hundreds of Bigfoots alive today. -An animal that big would have no natural predators (aside from bears and people) and would leave behind unique traces from kills. From an evolutionary standpoint, it would have developed hunting and survival skills to become the dominant predator and would probably have attacked humans if there was contact... not walked away like the videos & photos always show. __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs

Nov 1, 2007, 01:21 AM	#12
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Look, I have had the chance to talk to people in every single nation that I have visited and lived about ghosts, stories, tales etc. I find a kernal of truth in most of it, mostly urban legend, hyperbole, tradtion etc. I think there is a distinct possibility that an anthropoid creature does exist and is outside our understanding to comprehend, as we are destroying our planet, I am sure they will succumb as well to our efforts to conquer our world. Hubris? probably, but we are not the only life forms in this solar system or this galaxy either, mark my words. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Nov 1, 2007, 10:26 AM	#18
Mousey Synth's Long Lost Bro Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Web Design Hell Posts: 7,189 Rep Power: 245 System Specs	Looks more like a monkey to me :/ I don't think bigfoot even exists, there's hundreds of fake bigfoot vids on youtube and i'm sure that Zardon and other veteran photoshoppers would agree that practically anything can be faked by anyone talented enough with photoshop. __________________

Nov 1, 2007, 01:27 PM	Thread Starter #20
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	The big "pro" argument that I see is "they find new species in the rainforest all the time, why not in the US". While I see the point, its not valid. First of all, the Allegheny Forst is about 500,000 acres, not tiny, but not huge. To boot, people live all around it. The Amazon is 1.2 Billion acres (1,200,000,000 for comparisons sake), and is almost entirely unexplored by man. That's almost as large as the entire US. There is also a HUGE disparity of the biodiversity of the rainforest (estimated 3.0 million species, or about 30% of all species on the planet) and that of the Alleghenies (I guess 10,000+). The "dead body" argument is easily refutable (how often do you find dead deer in the forest?), but if there were a great ape in the US, there would certainly be some sign of it. Also, most great apes are social and live in groups, so I find it funny this one is always by itself. I have to say though, I love the Bigfoot, Lock Ness Monster, and all the rest. Its good to exercise the imagination, I think. It's also healthy not to think we know everything. There are no doubt wonderous beasts yet undiscovered.

Nov 1, 2007, 03:03 PM	#22
Tinkerhell Not all fairies are nice. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 989 Rep Power: 44	Bogus. As noted by Viking, the "unchartered" regions left in the US are tiny & boxed off by to much humanity. If it's any sort of primate it most likely would have a life span no longer than humans which mean it's got a breeding span of no more than about 50 years. Maybe 60 or 70 if it was really exceptional. Even if it was, for some odd reason, solitary except for a rare breeding season it would need a large enough population base to continue. We would have definitive proof of some form by now - photo's or skeletons or something. As for not seeing skeletons of deer - you don't get into the woods enough or don't have as many deer or way more carrion eaters (which I seriously doubt) than we do in the southern US. I see deer remains all the time in my ramblings through the woods. If it was something suspected of existing in the ocean or in the heart of South American jungle I'd not doubt it too strongly. You could tell me that R'lyeh existed somewhere on the bottom of the pacific and I'd be less likely to call BS than I would over bigfoot. __________________ Stupidity should be painful if not terminal. Darwin for Sainthood!!

Nov 1, 2007, 07:36 PM	#26
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	So, what do i think?!? i think this is more a personal belief than anything else, and as yet this is a endless question to be answered.

Nov 1, 2007, 09:54 PM	#28
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,382 Rep Power: 177 System Specs	just the same as religion.. how many people believe in their god without any physical evidence.. You'll never be 100% certain if it exists, or not... __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Nov 1, 2007, 10:09 PM	#29
OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,688 Rep Power: 173 System Specs	God is a very personal thing to believe in...is Bigfoot really that important to anyone? Who can say they are emotionally invested in Bigfoots existence? __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs

Nov 1, 2007, 10:14 PM	#30
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	OmegaRED, nope i didn't mean this can be a belief without evidence or based on no fact. but to some this can be a belief based on anything likes silly news, words, picture... and that, there will be endless questions to be answered by both people who have already believed and who never believes in this at all. and many yet there are who cannot decide what to believe, or will not decide what they will believe at this time.