[dipstick]

The new Matrix is out and all I can say is GO WATCH IT NOW! This movie is so good it's not even funny. It will definitely rattle your brain and leave you wanting more



PS. NEO RULEZ!!!

[JungleFreak]

I won't get to see it until this weekend

[SQUACHY]

theres alot of wierd confusing dialogue that makes u go WTF?
but other than that it kicks ass.

Neo vs Agent Smiths = TEH ROXOR.

[brc64]

The first one was better as a whole. Reloaded just had better fight scenes. I enjoyed the movie, but I was fairly disappointed with it.

- Me

[Aretè]

You must be one hard to please man then because that movie was just incredible. Whole lot of philo stuff that fries your brain and gets you lost if you are not paying attention.

[ToshiroOC]

I got all of the movie - none of it didn't make sense, including the ending where Neo does that "thing" to "those things" (I am not going to spoil anything, but y'all will get what I mean ). I might write up what I'm 99% sure is the "answer" to how all that stuff happens and why its significant.

[Vampyromaniac]

I just saw it, and wasn't confused, until I read Toshiro's post

[Dom]

Well, the movie has great action sequences and special effects but the story kinda sucked and I was rather disappointed with the movie. The first one was better.

[Vampyromaniac]

Originally posted by myself on 01-29-2003
Yep, I'm eager to see the next movies . . . but I'm worried, too.
I just hope they won't be mostly action and weak story. That's what I liked so much about the first, the story!
There's a lot of action shots in the trailer, which look real great . . . but I hope that's not all there is to the sequels.

[Dom]

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac

Did you not think the story was weak?

[Vampyromaniac]

yep just as I was afraid, 3.5 months ago

[Talon]

I honestly thought the story was as good as the action sequences, but that's just my opinion.

[URWORSTENEMY]

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
I just saw it, and wasn't confused, until I read Toshiro's post

lol havent seen the movie yet, but this REALLY made me lmao

Hope to see it this weekend though


nme

[shuki]

I too really enjoyed/am enjoying this GREAT movie!! I am not let down at all! And man I am really, really loving this ETM game now

[JavaFox]

Reloaded was definitely more of an action film than the first. I tried desperately to not like the first but, let's face it, it was awesome. Reloaded had many absolutely spectacular scenes (highway, Agent Smiths, etc.), but as a whole I liked the first better. This one was full of pseudo-intellectualisms that were just too over-the-top to be taken seriously. That said, I think that this movie cannot be taken as a whole. Its sequel is already done. The first Matrix stood alone as a movie, but I believe that Reloaded and Revolutions have to be considered as two halves to one movie.






SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

So who else thinks that "The Real World" of the first and second Matrix is really just a Matrix inside of The Matrix? Given that the Sentinels knew exactly what ship to attack, the fact that Neo can see the future even in the "Real World," and the final fact that Neo stops the Sentinels at the end?

[Falstaff]

Charlie Rose, and the gave their opinions as well. They didn't know what or how the movie would turn out until the producer, also there, revealed to them that this moive was like an alagory, with biblical references, and oh yes....a book about the religiouis and spiritual implications of this film will be forthcoming, lots Gnostics out there just looking for a vehicle...but then it is all hollywood...I will wait.....till they hype dies down...when I see matrix action figures at the toy store, then I will rent it...

[The_Neon_Cowboy]

Originally posted by SQUACHY
theres alot of wierd confusing dialogue that makes u go WTF?
but other than that it kicks ass.

Neo vs Agent Smiths = TEH ROXOR.

learn to pay attention !!

the movie rocks

[Vampyromaniac]

Originally posted by JavaFox
Reloaded was definitely more of an action film than the first. I tried desperately to not like the first but, let's face it, it was awesome. Reloaded had many absolutely spectacular scenes (highway, Agent Smiths, etc.), but as a whole I liked the first better. This one was full of pseudo-intellectualisms that were just too over-the-top to be taken seriously. That said, I think that this movie cannot be taken as a whole. Its sequel is already done. The first Matrix stood alone as a movie, but I believe that Reloaded and Revolutions have to be considered as two halves to one movie.[/SIZE]

I agree with what you've said, and much of it is also how I feel about Back to the Future.
Interesting

[Necrosis]

I just seen it tonight but I am a bit disappointed.

The story line was alright, and was a bit confusing at time but over all was easy to follow. You just had to pay attention, and honestly reading this thread before I went helped me to know to pay close attention to everything. However, after the special effects being hyped I prepared myself for something mind boggling. There were quite a fews scenes (especially the rendering of Neo) you could just it was just fake. I don't remember it being so noticeable in the first movie. The main problem with this movie was they tried to out do themselves which I think wasn't necessary. Yes, of course we except special effects but the biggest complaint is the story! If you are a Matrix fan I still recommend you go see it, I did enjoy it and think it was worth the money.

[digerati]

Story was a bit on the dry side for my tastes. And even some of the action was overdone. I did like the wholse smith fight for about the first few minutes and then neo became an obvious computer generated character and he just took off. At least they kept the one liners down eg "I know kung fu." Also they put in a lot of sappyness, it seems to me like they ran out of plot so they extended fight and love scenes. I just hope all of you waited til after all the credits rolled by to see the trailer to the next matrix movie hehe.

[Saint_K]

I agree with JavaFox very small text, i think the same!

[Spraggsy]

I missed the trailer for Revolutions!!!!!!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Saint_K]

Originally posted by Spraggsy
I missed the trailer for Revolutions!!!!!!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=16029

[blown503]

I saw the movie on Sat night and thought is was a waste of money. It wasnt as good as the first, to much hype about this over-rated movie. I get just as much special effects from gaming, maybe thats why I expect more. There was some cool special effects, but thats not why I went to see the movie my 3 cents

[Falstaff]

gonna rent it when it comes out..

[MIG-31]

won,t watch any coudn't stand the first one

[Alexander]

Overall I liked it. I consider it to be half a movie, the middle of the story so to speak.
I felt while it was a bit heavy on the action at times there was an enough diversity to make the movie worth while.
I will be patiently waiting for Revolutions.

[ToshiroOC]

A friend of mine prompted me to post up what I thought of the ending... SPOILERS AHOY:



From UBer bu:

Maybe I'm looking into this too much, but if the spoon was in the Matrix, how was the orphan able to give it to Neo in Zion? I guess it's just another means of showing that Zion is just another part of the Matrix from which nobody has escaped yet...

(props to Toshiro for pointing this out)



Foreword: Matrix(1) = 1990's sort of place, Matrix(2) = 2200's sort of place, real world (considering 6 iterations of 100 years) = 2800's sort of place.



Heh, I didn't mean it was the same spoon! But what I did mean, was that the directors intentionally gave the spoon to Neo OUTSIDE of the Matrix(1) this time 'round because, as you saw at the very end, he was still in _a_ Matrix(2). In the first movie, Agent Smith says that humans needs a constant struggle to survive, or they simply don't accept the program. There was no real constant struggle within the Matrix(1), and indeed, those content with this minor struggle are fine. Those 1% who reject the system, as I believe the Architect said, reject the system... and leave the Matrix(1). But! Neo managed to "sense" and destroy the sentinels at the end. How? This 1%, in my opinion, left the Matrix(1), and entered another simulation, this one of Zion and a larger struggle of Man versus Machine. This is also related to WHY they would let Zion be rebuilt. Why the hell would they let Zion be rebuilt, if not to continue the struggle that keeps that last 1% contained within the system?

Also harken back to the first movie again, and remember how Morpheus described the founding - someone mysterious with the same powers as Neo released the first of the resistance fighters, the first rejects of the Matrix(1). Oooh is right

Now, think about the Oracle, and all that predestination and choice and why stuff that was going on. The key to all that was the fact that the Matrix(1) programs telling that stuff were trying to keep Neo from thinking that he had a choice in the matter, if you ask me, and to try and force him to work with the Architect and restart Zion after this version's destruction. Instead, unlike his previous incarnations, he was in love with Trinity... and love triumphed over apparent predestination, "fate", and logic, and he did the unpredicable, which is how he managed to get back to the Matrix(2) and instead of being kept out of the battle as he was supposed to by going through the other door, he is now there to do things differently.

Of course, this interpretation is soley mine, and it would easily be wrong.

However, it does raise some interesting questions in the third one, such as, is there a Matrix(3)? (recursive, isn't it? ;-) ) Why does winning the battle in the Matrix(2) matter enough to make the machines go out of their way to keep the One (Neo) out of the battle?
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If you have ADD and can't be bothered to read my post above, here's a summary:

There are two Matrixes. There is one, with Zion and the machines versus the humans, that is there to catch those who escape from the main one from the first movie. This is a guess.




New: Perhaps Neo is the 1% of the 1% who reject the system?
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Ooh, new idea! What if Smith managed to take over Bane (or whoever that guy was) BECAUSE the outer world with Zion (Matrix(2)) was still just a program? I mean, realistically, how is Smith going to take over a real human mind? If you ask me, all he did was take over the guy's avatar in Matrix(2).
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And there you have it, my guess in all of it's mildly improbable splendor. Comments, critiques, etc.?


New: I've also heard speculation that might be true that Neo was intentionally created as a control, a messiah for the humans in the Matrix(2) to believe in, and is just a program who broke out of that whole predestination thing, and works because he can leave the Matrix(1) just as the humans expect him to. I don't believe that this is the right answer mainly because the key to the philosophy of the movie is that choice prevailed over predestination, human prevailed over machine, and Neo is the character who does that, and to make him into a machine for the purposes of explaining the end is going a bit too far.

[Saint_K]

Intresting ToshioOC