[Hellbinder]

I opened up a discussion on this at Rage3d.

Here is my opening statement.

It seems that most people still do not know the truth about the Quak issue.

yes Ati was using application detection, but the *optimization* had been in no less than 7 previeous driver prior to the release of the 8500. the problem was that the exsisting optimization caused an issue on the 8500 wich ATi did not apparently notice. However Nvidia Knew about it and provided the info to [H] for exposure as a *cheat*. Which everyone still repeats to this day. Is application Detection bad?? Only if it intentionally affects the game in an improper way, or intentionally changes the Dynamics of what the application is trying to do. Technically, this is a similar issue to the 3dmark Nvidia scandal. However the difference being. The application detection was present in the driver for a long time, and never affected the game adversly. The Issue was addressed inside of 3 weeks with no performance loss. Later the Quake scores have increased steadily over time.

What is even worse and Doomtrooper please help me out here with a link. When [H] posted their Radeon Vs GF2 article a year before it was apparent that Nvidia had reduced texture Quality in the ENTIRE GAME to boost performance. But No one called it a cheat. ATi's mistake only affected 5 textures in the entire game. But becuase Kyle is best friends with Brian Burke at Nvidia they have a history of Being Nvidia little dirty work boys while glossing over any inconsistancy with Nvidia.

They have gotten better recently i must admit. But every once in a while they still revert to Nvidias little Whore mode. No i dont mean that they have to favor ATi all the time.. Be fair. Its just that when they suddely revert to little Nvidiots it is sinkeningly obvious.

[the floor is now open to anyone with insider info, pertinent info or opinions on the matter]

Here is Doomtroopers kind linkage on the matter

BTW the author of this is not me, but someone here on Rage3D:

http://www.geocities.com/radtruth/p1.htm

Kyles Joy

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTEx

The Irony-The quake Reference is in this driver

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTEzLDM=

Quack looks good compared to this mess

http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/gffx5800u/gffx_5.htm

For those interested... here is the origional thread.. LINK

The Floor is now Open.

[digitalwanderer]

Isn't that just like so old news? What, don't tell me the nVidiots are trying to toss it up to justify nVidia's current card selling scam!

[mike2h]

what else can they say? or do they did not just get caught with their hand in the cookie jar, they got caurgt trying to rip of the entire delivery truck! has nvidia released any sort of press or are they doing the 'ignore it 'till it goes away thing'? can not wait to see how they spin it.