I want to punch him.

BlueMak · Jun 24, 2008, 07:48 PM

You don't still use a screen saver, do you? : Yahoo! Green

Why do these people make more money than I do?

IEMC · Jun 24, 2008, 08:47 PM

You want to punch him because it's obvious, or because he's naive to think everyone has a LCD?

IvanV · Jun 24, 2008, 08:58 PM

And for the next article, a new revelation: in order to cut the emission of CO2, when you're not at work, your computer should be off, off, off!

BlueMak · Jun 24, 2008, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IEMC

You want to punch him because it's obvious, or because he's naive to think everyone has a LCD?

Because he is wrong, wrong, wrong.

LCDs do suffer from a similar problem.

IEMC · Jun 24, 2008, 09:36 PM

That too.

**Mousey** · Jun 24, 2008, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueMak

Because he is wrong, wrong, wrong.

LCDs do suffer from a similar problem.

Basically these news writers get paid to write the most uninformed, biased crap you can possibly imagine.
That's why for people like us at DH with brains, it's an impossible job.

calidan · Jun 24, 2008, 09:44 PM

What if my computer equipment is all solar powered? Am I still emitting CO2?

IvanV · Jun 24, 2008, 09:49 PM

Really? I've heard and read what he wrote several times (from tech savy sources). So what happens? Crystals get stuck in some position?

Anyway, turning your stuff off when you're not using it is an ok idea, but writing articles and and running campaigns (solely) dedicated to making people put monitors to standby instead of using screensavers makes me think that someone has too much time on one's hands.

**Mousey** · Jun 24, 2008, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calidan

What if my computer equipment is all solar powered? Am I still emitting CO2?

Good luck playing Crysis

Judas · Jun 24, 2008, 10:31 PM

solar power is very powerful stuff

***craig5320*** · Jun 24, 2008, 11:43 PM

They don't suffer burn in, just image persistance... I'd love to know which Monkey coined that phrase when writing his marketing campaign for LCD's. No MORE BURN IN! yea right, I have a loverly black halo across the top of my monitor from my vista windows and a drop shadow at the bottom from the taskbar

Judas · Jun 24, 2008, 11:57 PM

exactly.. i've seen lcds that "burn in" they just don't appear as bad.. and typically don't happen often at all. Usually the ones i see do this are lower quality budget models...

BlueMak · Jun 25, 2008, 12:04 AM

Mine was a 750 euro model and it had it too.

And it spread, it was nasty lol.

IEMC · Jun 25, 2008, 12:32 AM

CRT's are hilarious with burn ins, though.

All of the monitors at my school have the login screen forever with them.

mkk · Jun 25, 2008, 12:47 AM

Anyone seen a screensaver that acts by putting the screen in powersaving mode, that works with Vista? I'm using the basic Blank that I typically activate through the keyboard. but remember there being some screensaver years ago that forced actual powersaving mode. I can't just set the power saving setting to a low number of minutes because then Vista turns off the monitor even while playing video.

Zelig · Jun 25, 2008, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkk

I can't just set the power saving setting to a low number of minutes because then Vista turns off the monitor even while playing video.

Shouldn't happen if you're using the right media player. WMP and new versions of MPC are both good for that.

Tipstaff · Jun 25, 2008, 11:16 AM

The technical term for the "burn in" effect on LCDs is "Pixel Persistence" (or Image Persistence as craig noted), and I have it with my (when I bought it) $600 Viewsonic VP191b. It started happening within the last year, but mind you this monitor is going on 5 years old now. You can clean it out by filling your screen with a completely white image, and turning down the contrast and brightness. Just leave it for a while, and the pixels should reset, or turn off the monitor for a few hours will help too. It will, of course, come back, and over time the pixels will do this persistence thing a little quicker.

4 things I have noticed: 1) it doesn't matter whether you use DVI or D-Sub/VGA, it will still happen, and the image will still be there whether you switch from one to the other, 2) do not use a high contrast, sharp wallpaper, 3) do not set your monitors contrast and brightness too high, and 4) screen savers DO NOT help to prevent this, so technically the author was right about something.. indirectly. However, rather than turning your monitor off all the time (kinda stupid to turn your monitor off, get up for 10 mins or so just to come back and have to turn your monitor on again) is to set the power option in Windows to turn off the monitor after a set time. This way no image is being sent to the monitor, and the pixels are off the entire time.

Anyways, in a couple days I'll be buying a new Samsung 2253BW, so it won't be bothering me much anymore, and I'll probably take this Viewsonic to the store to use at one of the work benches. Even though this has started happening over the last year it's been a damn good monitor. Definitly worth every penny I paid for it.

**dj_stick** · Jun 25, 2008, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tipstaff

kinda stupid to turn your monitor off, get up for 10 mins or so just to come back and have to turn your monitor on again)

i've actually gotten into a habit of doing this almsot every time i leave my studio - so i've got no issues there - does make sense on a power consumption/"green" point of view - but then my power hungry 8core machine probably negates that benefit...

BlueMak · Jun 25, 2008, 02:12 PM

Unfortunately I don't have any photos of image persistence left (deleted), but here is something equaly as nice on my monitor (before LG replaced it under warranty) And yes, it was LCD.

Customgamer1 · Jun 26, 2008, 04:43 AM

I just have my monitor turn off after like 10mins of non use!

Much better than a screen saver!!

Tipstaff · Jun 26, 2008, 06:41 AM

Oh man, if you guys want a picture of pixel persistence, I'll be more than glad to post a few. All I have to do is play a game of GTAIV for 30 mins on this monitor, and I'll be able to show you guys a nice big circle on the bottom left corner of my screen.

That is unless you guys want some pixel persisted porn instead.

Falstaff · Jun 26, 2008, 08:47 AM

I dont thing punching this fellow will solve anything at all, I am sure somebody reads this rubbish and complains about it everywhere..LOL

**Mousey** · Jun 26, 2008, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tipstaff

That is unless you guys want some pixel persisted porn instead.

That'll do

Jun 24, 2008, 07:48 PM	#1
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,471 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	I want to punch him. You don't still use a screen saver, do you? : Yahoo! Green Why do these people make more money than I do? __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

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IvanV HH Assassin Guild Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,917 Rep Power: 336 System Specs	Really? I've heard and read what he wrote several times (from tech savy sources). So what happens? Crystals get stuck in some position? Anyway, turning your stuff off when you're not using it is an ok idea, but writing articles and and running campaigns (solely) dedicated to making people put monitors to standby instead of using screensavers makes me think that someone has too much time on one's hands. __________________ If anyone has Portal 2 and hasn't played the co-op and wants to do me a favour, let me know (PM me or whatever).

Jun 24, 2008, 11:43 PM	#11
*craig5320* HH Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 8,572 Rep Power: 445 System Specs	They don't suffer burn in, just image persistance... I'd love to know which Monkey coined that phrase when writing his marketing campaign for LCD's. No MORE BURN IN! yea right, I have a loverly black halo across the top of my monitor from my vista windows and a drop shadow at the bottom from the taskbar __________________ HardwareHeaven on Facebook

Jun 25, 2008, 12:04 AM	Thread Starter #13
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,471 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Mine was a 750 euro model and it had it too. And it spread, it was nasty lol. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Jun 25, 2008, 12:32 AM	#14
IEMC Neighborhood screw up. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: MI, US Posts: 770 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	CRT's are hilarious with burn ins, though. All of the monitors at my school have the login screen forever with them. __________________

Jun 25, 2008, 12:47 AM	#15
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,495 Rep Power: 132 System Specs	Anyone seen a screensaver that acts by putting the screen in powersaving mode, that works with Vista? I'm using the basic Blank that I typically activate through the keyboard. but remember there being some screensaver years ago that forced actual powersaving mode. I can't just set the power saving setting to a low number of minutes because then Vista turns off the monitor even while playing video.

Jun 25, 2008, 11:16 AM	#17
Tipstaff HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Real capital of Canada: Torauna Posts: 6,773 Rep Power: 191 System Specs	The technical term for the "burn in" effect on LCDs is "Pixel Persistence" (or Image Persistence as craig noted), and I have it with my (when I bought it) $600 Viewsonic VP191b. It started happening within the last year, but mind you this monitor is going on 5 years old now. You can clean it out by filling your screen with a completely white image, and turning down the contrast and brightness. Just leave it for a while, and the pixels should reset, or turn off the monitor for a few hours will help too. It will, of course, come back, and over time the pixels will do this persistence thing a little quicker. 4 things I have noticed: 1) it doesn't matter whether you use DVI or D-Sub/VGA, it will still happen, and the image will still be there whether you switch from one to the other, 2) do not use a high contrast, sharp wallpaper, 3) do not set your monitors contrast and brightness too high, and 4) screen savers DO NOT help to prevent this, so technically the author was right about something.. indirectly. However, rather than turning your monitor off all the time (kinda stupid to turn your monitor off, get up for 10 mins or so just to come back and have to turn your monitor on again) is to set the power option in Windows to turn off the monitor after a set time. This way no image is being sent to the monitor, and the pixels are off the entire time. Anyways, in a couple days I'll be buying a new Samsung 2253BW, so it won't be bothering me much anymore, and I'll probably take this Viewsonic to the store to use at one of the work benches. Even though this has started happening over the last year it's been a damn good monitor. Definitly worth every penny I paid for it. __________________ Portal: The Flash Version _________________________________ Brain: So, you sacked the cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker? Mr. Sackett: The second cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker I've sacked since the sixth sitting sheet slitter got sick. Last edited by Tipstaff; Jun 25, 2008 at 11:27 AM.

Jun 25, 2008, 02:12 PM	Thread Starter #19
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,471 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Unfortunately I don't have any photos of image persistence left (deleted), but here is something equaly as nice on my monitor (before LG replaced it under warranty) And yes, it was LCD. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Jun 26, 2008, 04:43 AM	#20
Customgamer1 Fell off the tech wagon Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,273 Rep Power: 74 System Specs	I just have my monitor turn off after like 10mins of non use! Much better than a screen saver!! __________________ Asus Laptop: 2.5 Intel Core 2 Duo, 4gigs DDR 2, Windows 7 64bit! Windows 7 > OSX!

Jun 26, 2008, 06:41 AM	#21
Tipstaff HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Real capital of Canada: Torauna Posts: 6,773 Rep Power: 191 System Specs	Oh man, if you guys want a picture of pixel persistence, I'll be more than glad to post a few. All I have to do is play a game of GTAIV for 30 mins on this monitor, and I'll be able to show you guys a nice big circle on the bottom left corner of my screen. That is unless you guys want some pixel persisted porn instead. __________________ Portal: The Flash Version _________________________________ Brain: So, you sacked the cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker? Mr. Sackett: The second cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker I've sacked since the sixth sitting sheet slitter got sick.

Jun 26, 2008, 08:47 AM	#22
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	I dont thing punching this fellow will solve anything at all, I am sure somebody reads this rubbish and complains about it everywhere..LOL __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."