Matrix 2. the architect, anyone love to kick his ass?

Zardon · May 22, 2003, 06:17 PM

Well I saw Matrix 2 and while I thoroughly enjoyed the film overall, with some great effects I have to make a call on the script. im hoping it will make more sense after I see the third one.

watching the movie and looking around in the cinema at the architects 10 minute waffle near the end, everyone was just looking at each other laughing and saying WTF is he talking about ! at least the drugs stores sold alot of headache tablets after it was over.

maybe id need to see it again, but I would also say that a great deal of it is style over content. interesting, and ill be watching the 3rd film with great interest, but im praying the architect wont be making a reappearance.

Renegade[CSR] · May 22, 2003, 06:20 PM

I agree, I felt like I was about to laugh at the whole deal with the architect as well. His ramblings were so quick that they could barely be comprehended.

I hope if we do see him again it will be only for a brief second while neo destroys him.

I didn't like the organization of the script myself. I believe it would have been better if they had developed the plot more over the entire movie instead of cramming it towards the end.

Just my take.

Zardon · May 22, 2003, 06:23 PM

as long as he dies slowly and we all get to see it, after putting us all through that 10 minute waffle. ill be happy.

Dom · May 22, 2003, 06:23 PM

The Matrix Reloaded, like the first Matrix, requiers you to see it more than once to fully understand it.

As for the Architect, I can tell you with a great deal of certainity that he will make a reappearance. Remeber what Neo said to him? "If I were you, I'd hope we don't meet again". That line in it's self says he will be back in The Matrix Revolutions, and Neo will probably kick his ass.

Zardon · May 22, 2003, 06:25 PM

does Neo kick his ass before he opens his mouth? cause if you say no. im giving the 3rd one a miss.

Dom · May 22, 2003, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by Zardon
does Neo kick his ass before he opens his mouth? cause if you say no. im giving the 3rd one a miss.

I'm sure he'll get a chance to speak first. As sure as I am you will see The Matrix Revolutions regardless.

Zardon · May 22, 2003, 06:27 PM

ill make sure I have the mute button handy then. or a pair of ear muffs. im still trying to stop them bleeding. I actually saw keano reeves tilting to the side during the speech. in fact if you can raise the brightness you can see his eyes behind the shades are shut in one scene.

Dom · May 22, 2003, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by Zardon
ill make sure I have the mute button handy then. or a pair of ear muffs. im still trying to stop them bleeding.

**yawns**

Zardon · May 22, 2003, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by Dom
**yawns**

you seen the film as well? its ok, a few weeks watching porn will wake you up again.

Dom · May 22, 2003, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by Zardon
you seen the film as well? its ok, a few weeks watching porn will wake you up again.

How would you know?

imagine · May 22, 2003, 08:32 PM

I liked the movie overall, but I too felt that it was rather overdone in the end. The "architect" very much reminded me of that guy in Edward Scissorhands. Very boring, quick, and ... um, pointless. / (Btw, first post.

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scobywhru · May 22, 2003, 08:52 PM

OMG NOOOO!!!! THe Architect was my favorite part <--- Flame Bate I know

But seriously I liked what he brought to the movie, brought to the point that Neo isn't someone who accepts his fate, and gives an out that all our life is scripted and planned, but yet we can make a choice, but then is it a choice.

That and when there talking about the Evils of the Human Race and George W Bush flashes on the monitors is quiet amusing

I need to see that movie again

imagine · May 22, 2003, 08:55 PM

I admit that he played a semi-integral part in the movie, but I think the way that he was represented was rather bad / clashy. I mean, wtf? Some guy living in a plain white room? I know that the Matrix isn't supposed to reflect reality (lol, so ironic, that statement) but come on ... it's, just, ugh, dumb.

Zardon · May 22, 2003, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by Dom
How would you know?

your mum told me.

**edits out gold medal, oversized avatar and newsposting**

eyeguy616 · May 22, 2003, 09:17 PM

If anything, try getting the Animatrix. It's basically a handful of nine and half minute shorts involving certain aspects of the Matrix world, even a two part that explains how the Matrix came about! There are some real cool moments, even one that's really awe inspiring (World Record), in these shorts, so get it already!

~eyeguy616

Zardon · May 22, 2003, 09:36 PM

yeah I quite liked that, the first 2 were brilliant !

eyeguy616 · May 22, 2003, 09:48 PM

I meant that it's on DVD. You could probably get it through other means like I did.

~eyeguy616
Edit: You can download The Second Renaissance Parts 1 and 2 from http://www.intothematrix.com/ , but the DVD versions are much cleaner, and there's more than just those four on that website.

Zardon · May 22, 2003, 10:17 PM

I thought for a second you posted a warez site ! nice link though. good to get stuff for free !

Hanners · May 23, 2003, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by imagine
I admit that he played a semi-integral part in the movie, but I think the way that he was represented was rather bad / clashy. I mean, wtf? Some guy living in a plain white room? I know that the Matrix isn't supposed to reflect reality (lol, so ironic, that statement) but come on ... it's, just, ugh, dumb.

I think you are forgetting one minor point here - Unless I'm missing something he isn't a guy, he's a program.

To be honest, compared to some of the slooow, slooow scenes and drawn out pointless dialogue in the movie, I thought the part with the Architect was just fine.

Zardon · May 23, 2003, 12:41 PM

Yeah hanners, I guess you are right. Seriously though, and with all my tongue in cheek joking in this thread yesterday. I really do think the film was very style over content. Great effects and camerawork, visuals. but the film left me lacking.

Hanners · May 23, 2003, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Zardon
Yeah hanners, I guess you are right. Seriously though, and with all my tongue in cheek joking in this thread yesterday. I really do think the film was very style over content. Great effects and camerawork, visuals. but the film left me lacking.

Yeah, although I'm still looking forward to the final film, I totally agree with you.

I think the big problem is that the whole 'Matrix-style' has been done to death since the original movie was released, to the point where the sequel felt more like a parody of the original than anything at times.

It also seemed to me like some of the least important scenes (i.e. the rave scene) went on for what seemed like forever, whereas some of the major moments (Neo's final decision as to what door to take after the yawn-inducing-for-Zardon Architect dialogue) were over in a flash.

Speaking of which, what was the point of that rave scene? Great wet t-shirt contest though it was, by my calculations it went on for at least 17 hours.

Al_Vampyre · May 23, 2003, 05:00 PM

I would have to agree with Zardon on the syle over content issues (admittedly great style!!). The delivery of the Architect dialogue was very quick and in one or two places was hard to follow the logic but I suspect that may have been deliberate...

The one thing I have a real problem with is the vaguely unsatisfactory feeling I was left with at the end, The first movie had a definitive start and end but the 2nd one has been left hanging in preparation for the third movie, which lets face it we're all going to go and see anyway so what was the point of that?

My only other quibble is with Keanu Reeves, as my girlfriend said after she came out of the movie "God love him, he's nice to look at but he can't act!". At one or two points in the movie his dialogue delivery was completly soulless, it sounded like he was reading his lines off an idiot card...

Zardon · May 23, 2003, 05:13 PM

very well said Al.

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · May 23, 2003, 05:43 PM

Ok well i feel that the Architect sence was much needed in the movie if you understood what he was taking about. You have to understand what he was talking about in order to get the whole point. Apart from the whold movie being CGI i thought it was ok and i cant wait till the 3rd one comes out.

scobywhru · May 23, 2003, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by Al_Vampyre

My only other quibble is with Keanu Reeves, as my girlfriend said after she came out of the movie "God love him, he's nice to look at but he can't act!". At one or two points in the movie his dialogue delivery was completly soulless, it sounded like he was reading his lines off an idiot card...

Keanu's acting is basically described as "wooooh" anything beyond astonishment he just can't portray... but man I want his sunglasses from Matrix Reloaded those were cool

Al_Vampyre · May 23, 2003, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by scobywhru
Keanu's acting is basically described as "wooooh" anything beyond astonishment he just can't portray... but man I want his sunglasses from Matrix Reloaded those were cool

LOL...you can have the glasses as long as I get The Ducati!!

Zardon · May 23, 2003, 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by Al_Vampyre
LOL...you can have the glasses as long as I get The Ducati!!

good man, we need more bikers here. but I wouldnt mind the one Trinity was riding the ducati 998....... sex on wheels.

Al_Vampyre · May 26, 2003, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by Zardon
good man, we need more bikers here. but I wouldnt mind the one Trinity was riding the ducati 998....... sex on wheels.

I take it that you are referring to both Trinity and the 998 in that post Zardon!!!

I know I would...

Zardon · May 26, 2003, 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by Sourcer_2002
Ok well i feel that the Architect sence was much needed in the movie if you understood what he was taking about. You have to understand what he was talking about in order to get the whole point. Apart from the whold movie being CGI i thought it was ok and i cant wait till the 3rd one comes out.

then please explain in detail what he was talking about.

Renegade[CSR] · May 26, 2003, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by Zardon
then please explain in detail what he was talking about.

I think hes seeing the movie again with a notepad and a pen handy, because that is the only way you can possibly grasp everything he said.

May 22, 2003, 06:17 PM	#1
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Matrix 2. the architect, anyone love to kick his ass? Well I saw Matrix 2 and while I thoroughly enjoyed the film overall, with some great effects I have to make a call on the script. im hoping it will make more sense after I see the third one. watching the movie and looking around in the cinema at the architects 10 minute waffle near the end, everyone was just looking at each other laughing and saying WTF is he talking about ! at least the drugs stores sold alot of headache tablets after it was over. maybe id need to see it again, but I would also say that a great deal of it is style over content. interesting, and ill be watching the 3rd film with great interest, but im praying the architect wont be making a reappearance.

May 22, 2003, 08:52 PM	#12
scobywhru DriverHeaven Senile Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Penthouse Basement Posts: 619 Rep Power: 0	OMG NOOOO!!!! THe Architect was my favorite part <--- Flame Bate I know But seriously I liked what he brought to the movie, brought to the point that Neo isn't someone who accepts his fate, and gives an out that all our life is scripted and planned, but yet we can make a choice, but then is it a choice. That and when there talking about the Evils of the Human Race and George W Bush flashes on the monitors is quiet amusing I need to see that movie again __________________

May 22, 2003, 09:48 PM	#17
eyeguy616 ZZzzzzzzzzzz........... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 324 Rep Power: 0	I meant that it's on DVD. You could probably get it through other means like I did. ~eyeguy616 Edit: You can download The Second Renaissance Parts 1 and 2 from http://www.intothematrix.com/ , but the DVD versions are much cleaner, and there's more than just those four on that website. Last edited by eyeguy616; May 22, 2003 at 09:54 PM.

May 23, 2003, 05:00 PM	#22
Al_Vampyre HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,532 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	I would have to agree with Zardon on the syle over content issues (admittedly great style!!). The delivery of the Architect dialogue was very quick and in one or two places was hard to follow the logic but I suspect that may have been deliberate... The one thing I have a real problem with is the vaguely unsatisfactory feeling I was left with at the end, The first movie had a definitive start and end but the 2nd one has been left hanging in preparation for the third movie, which lets face it we're all going to go and see anyway so what was the point of that? My only other quibble is with Keanu Reeves, as my girlfriend said after she came out of the movie "God love him, he's nice to look at but he can't act!". At one or two points in the movie his dialogue delivery was completly soulless, it sounded like he was reading his lines off an idiot card... __________________ "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad" - Brian O'Driscoll - Ireland Rugby Team 2009 Grand Slam winning Captain.

May 22, 2003, 06:20 PM	#2
Renegade[CSR] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Undisclosed Renegade Location Posts: 396 Rep Power: 0	I agree, I felt like I was about to laugh at the whole deal with the architect as well. His ramblings were so quick that they could barely be comprehended. I hope if we do see him again it will be only for a brief second while neo destroys him. I didn't like the organization of the script myself. I believe it would have been better if they had developed the plot more over the entire movie instead of cramming it towards the end. Just my take.

May 22, 2003, 06:23 PM	Thread Starter #3
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	as long as he dies slowly and we all get to see it, after putting us all through that 10 minute waffle. ill be happy.

May 22, 2003, 06:23 PM	#4
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	The Matrix Reloaded, like the first Matrix, requiers you to see it more than once to fully understand it. As for the Architect, I can tell you with a great deal of certainity that he will make a reappearance. Remeber what Neo said to him? "If I were you, I'd hope we don't meet again". That line in it's self says he will be back in The Matrix Revolutions, and Neo will probably kick his ass.

May 22, 2003, 06:25 PM	Thread Starter #5
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	does Neo kick his ass before he opens his mouth? cause if you say no. im giving the 3rd one a miss.

May 22, 2003, 06:27 PM	Thread Starter #7
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	ill make sure I have the mute button handy then. or a pair of ear muffs. im still trying to stop them bleeding. I actually saw keano reeves tilting to the side during the speech. in fact if you can raise the brightness you can see his eyes behind the shades are shut in one scene.

May 22, 2003, 08:32 PM	#11
imagine DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	I liked the movie overall, but I too felt that it was rather overdone in the end. The "architect" very much reminded me of that guy in Edward Scissorhands. Very boring, quick, and ... um, pointless. / (Btw, first post. )

May 22, 2003, 08:55 PM	#13
imagine DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	I admit that he played a semi-integral part in the movie, but I think the way that he was represented was rather bad / clashy. I mean, wtf? Some guy living in a plain white room? I know that the Matrix isn't supposed to reflect reality (lol, so ironic, that statement) but come on ... it's, just, ugh, dumb.

May 22, 2003, 09:17 PM	#15
eyeguy616 ZZzzzzzzzzzz........... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 324 Rep Power: 0	If anything, try getting the Animatrix. It's basically a handful of nine and half minute shorts involving certain aspects of the Matrix world, even a two part that explains how the Matrix came about! There are some real cool moments, even one that's really awe inspiring (World Record), in these shorts, so get it already! ~eyeguy616

May 22, 2003, 09:36 PM	Thread Starter #16
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	yeah I quite liked that, the first 2 were brilliant !

May 22, 2003, 10:17 PM	Thread Starter #18
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	I thought for a second you posted a warez site ! nice link though. good to get stuff for free !

May 23, 2003, 12:41 PM	Thread Starter #20
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Yeah hanners, I guess you are right. Seriously though, and with all my tongue in cheek joking in this thread yesterday. I really do think the film was very style over content. Great effects and camerawork, visuals. but the film left me lacking.

May 23, 2003, 05:13 PM	Thread Starter #23
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	very well said Al.

May 23, 2003, 05:43 PM	#24
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	Ok well i feel that the Architect sence was much needed in the movie if you understood what he was taking about. You have to understand what he was talking about in order to get the whole point. Apart from the whold movie being CGI i thought it was ok and i cant wait till the 3rd one comes out.