[Vikingod]

Take a look at the title and voice them. I just got done watching some stuff on the tube about USOs (unidentified submerged objects) and seeing as there have been a plethora of strange threads around DH lately, I thought I might add another.

Are they from alien beings or man-made? Are our governments covering things up? Does it terrify or intrigue you?

Let it all out, we ain't gonna judge ya. Personal experiences are being accepted.

[OmegaRED]

I don't think there's any real mystery behind UFO's there are simply things which we've been unable to identify. In a perfect world with unlimited resources we'd probably discover UFO's to be anything from aircraft, balloons, birds all the way up to random crap sent up in the sky by some joker. When it's not of human origin then I suspect it's a natural weather phenomenon.

Unfortunately, some people will go to great lengths to create mass hoaxes and this will fool a lot of people who think they are seeing something out of this world. In other cases I don't doubt the objects are of secretive origin such as spy planes, experimental aircraft or other human technology that will be common knowledge years later (like various Stealth aircraft which resemble UFO shapes). In both instances there will be people trying to hide the source of the UFO which is why conspiracy theories become popular.

The bottom line is that UFO's are real but there's no evidence to suggest they are of extraterrestrial origin (unless you count comets and meteorites)

[Vikingod]

Personally, I have no doubt they exist. Given the size and age of the universe, I have no doubt there is inteligent life elsewhere. Assuming they are out there and applying curiosity to them (a sign of inteligence) and giving them the ability to discover and travel to distant planets, especially those which contain large amounts of water (a necessity of carbon based life as we know it), the idea they would come here doesn't seem far fetched to me. Basically, if I take humans and give us the ability to travel huge distances in incredibly short amounts of time (which is possible per physics theory), I think we would do the same thing.

There is an absolutely huge amount of evidence to their existance; pictures, video and witness accounts. I'm not saying all accounts, or even most of them, are true, but it's a stretch to discredit all of it except for out of sheer stuborness. The amount of sightings by military personel, pilots, and seemingly rational people with nothing to gain (and probably much to lose) from their admission to sightings is shocking to me. There are accounts dating back as far as humans can remember, and they are all eerily similar (dancing lights, disc shaped objects, etc.). We're talking long before sensational TV and Sci-Fi stuff too, hell Columbus and Alexander the Great evidenced seeing them. There is probably more physical evidence of UFO's then there is of "god".

I can't speak to government cover-ups and the like. But if the feds do know, it wouldn't surprise me that they would cover it up. Probably for good reason too, as I think it would probably cause some serious unrest to the masses.

Either way, it's incredibly interesting topic IMO. If there is something out there, and they are interested in us, it would be interesting to know what they see. And likewise, what we would see in them.

[Vehicon]

I hope there are little green guys out there somewhere. Just thinking that Earth is the only source of life out there, i just don't see that being possible at all.

[SeraphicSorcerer]

Well Let's hope the human race lives long enough to see some aliens.

[CDsDontBurn]

life is possible outside of earth.

think of this: you want lobster for dinner so you open your front door to your house and invite a lobster to dinner. After leaving the door open for several hours no lobster arrives.

Now, just because the lobster never arrived that doesn't mean that lobsters don't exist. afterall, they do.

you can use the same analogy for life, in any form, and apply it to the universe outside of our own planet.

We live in the Milky Way Galaxy which has over 200 million stars in our galaxy alone. It's difficult to believe that just our own galaxy is the only one to have a single planet to support life. Furthermore, you must remember that we are NOT the only galaxy in the universe. I wouldn't be surprised if there is any form of life out there at all.

[OmegaRED]

Originally Posted by Vikingod

There is an absolutely huge amount of evidence to their existance; pictures, video and witness accounts. I'm not saying all accounts, or even most of them, are true, but it's a stretch to discredit all of it except for out of sheer stuborness. The amount of sightings by military personel, pilots, and seemingly rational people with nothing to gain (and probably much to lose) from their admission to sightings is shocking to me. There are accounts dating back as far as humans can remember, and they are all eerily similar (dancing lights, disc shaped objects, etc.). We're talking long before sensational TV and Sci-Fi stuff too, hell Columbus and Alexander the Great evidenced seeing them. There is probably more physical evidence of UFO's then there is of "god".

The evidence of UFO's began with eyewitness accounts and that's always been the driving force behind the phenomena. There's not much physical evidence to speak of, what little credible evidence there is is vastly outnumbered by thousands of frauds and there is no accountability or procedures for verifying any of it. In short, the whole thing is a bloody mess.

For me the most intriguing aspect of UFO's has always been the eyewitness accounts yet this is also the major failing of UFO's (or any other paranormal phenomena that lacks physical evidence). It's so easy to see the human mind at play in these eyewitness accounts that you have to discount this as evidence. For example, UFO's used to be airships back before there were airplanes, then as the jet age neared the sightings were of saucers and all the photographic evidence matches these descriptions. Eyewitnesses interpret what they see within the framework of their time NOT what is actually there.

Let me put it this way, if people in the year 2010 were reporting the same UFO's the people in 1950 were seeing you might be able to make a case out of it; they don't. The same goes for descriptions of the aliens themselves. It kept changing with popular culture and this proves we can't trust eyewitness accounts worth a damn.

[Cow_160483]

Well this is an interesting topic, what i can say on the matter is that i dont believe that there are UFO's in the context of little green men flying around. Also why are these aliens flying around only in north America? you never hear about these things in other parts of the world e.g. Africa, Asia, Australia etc.

What i do believe is that there is some sort of life: maybe single celled organisms, or even plant and animal life somewhere in space and until we find it we will just have to be content with what we have here.

[Neshi]

Originally Posted by Cow_160483

you never hear about these things in other parts of the world e.g. Africa, Asia, Australia etc.

This is not true. In africa there have been sightings as far back as the egyptians of UFO's. They even draw pictures of it.
(just search google on 'egyptians' and 'ufo')

[BlueMak]

Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

life is possible outside of earth.

think of this: you want lobster for dinner so you open your front door to your house and invite a lobster to dinner. After leaving the door open for several hours no lobster arrives.

Now, just because the lobster never arrived that doesn't mean that lobsters don't exist. afterall, they do.

you can use the same analogy for life, in any form, and apply it to the universe outside of our own planet.

We live in the Milky Way Galaxy which has over 200 million stars in our galaxy alone. It's difficult to believe that just our own galaxy is the only one to have a single planet to support life. Furthermore, you must remember that we are NOT the only galaxy in the universe. I wouldn't be surprised if there is any form of life out there at all.

There are hundrends of BILLIONS of stars in our galaxy, not just millions.

Originally Posted by OmegaRED

The evidence of UFO's began with eyewitness accounts and that's always been the driving force behind the phenomena. There's not much physical evidence to speak of, what little credible evidence there is is vastly outnumbered by thousands of frauds and there is no accountability or procedures for verifying any of it. In short, the whole thing is a bloody mess.

For me the most intriguing aspect of UFO's has always been the eyewitness accounts yet this is also the major failing of UFO's (or any other paranormal phenomena that lacks physical evidence). It's so easy to see the human mind at play in these eyewitness accounts that you have to discount this as evidence. For example, UFO's used to be airships back before there were airplanes, then as the jet age neared the sightings were of saucers and all the photographic evidence matches these descriptions. Eyewitnesses interpret what they see within the framework of their time NOT what is actually there.

Let me put it this way, if people in the year 2010 were reporting the same UFO's the people in 1950 were seeing you might be able to make a case out of it; they don't. The same goes for descriptions of the aliens themselves. It kept changing with popular culture and this proves we can't trust eyewitness accounts worth a damn.

The whole thing is a mess because people don't usualy go outside with a couple of cameras with super auto focus ready to photograph record a UFO. Most of the time they are too blurry or just fake. Either of them doesn't make them all lies/fake/something else.

There are examples of UFO sightings going back thousands of years. It is easy to understand why (if/when) people say they see something that is relevant to their own technological level since it would be hard to describe it as something that is so far ahead from their knowledge. What about flying charriots with fire from their back? This is like asking from someone in the middle ages to see an LCD tv playing Friends and then dismiss whatever he says because he might have used the term "painting". Don't forget that for the most part only recently the great majority of people are able (knowledge wise) to understand that things like alien species in space ships are even possible with some basis on technological level of ours that is approaching to understand what might be happening.

If any aliens were using the same exact spaceship design, and only one, for the last 4000 years, then perhaps they are not that far advanced Still, using the same or similar for less than 100 years, might not be that far fetched. The B-52 flies with the same shape for how long now, 60 years?

Eye witness accounts might not be the best we could have, but it is the best we have. Even if 99.99% of them are not accurate, that doesn't make them all inaccurate.

Originally Posted by Cow_160483

Well this is an interesting topic, what i can say on the matter is that i dont believe that there are UFO's in the context of little green men flying around. Also why are these aliens flying around only in north America? you never hear about these things in other parts of the world e.g. Africa, Asia, Australia etc.
What i do believe is that there is some sort of life: maybe single celled organisms, or even plant and animal life somewhere in space and until we find it we will just have to be content with what we have here.

There are many sightings in other parts of the world, both present and in the past. You don't hear that many coming from other places because of even more conservative societies and "racism" against americans. "are you a stupid american that will tell the people of the UFO you just saw?" etc. Most people don't like americans and they think of them as at least stupid (among other things). If anyone starts claiming things that americans (relatively) easy, then they might face problems in their society.

[LHC]

Everyone knows it's just Dr. Wily...

[Cow_160483]

Originally Posted by Neshi

This is not true. In africa there have been sightings as far back as the egyptians of UFO's. They even draw pictures of it.
(just search google on 'egyptians' and 'ufo')

I will concede that there are some obscure references to UFO's in the 'egyptians' past but what about today now where are those aliens who taught the ancient Egyptians how to build the pyramids?? I mean if they are so advanced then why have they not made contact now???

Originally Posted by BlueMak

"racism" against americans. "are you a stupid american that will tell the people of the UFO you just saw?" etc. Most people don't like americans and they think of them as at least stupid (among other things). If anyone starts claiming things that americans (relatively) easy, then they might face problems in their society.

Dude no offense to any American, I just said north America coz that's where most of the sitings of UFO's are today or in recent history that is . I will also pose the same question to you that i posed to "Neshi" if they are always flying arround wouldnt they have stoped to say 'Hi' by now?
Or is it all a goverment coverup??

[temeteus82]

Last night I saw UFO

About 10 minutes after that I went there where it had landed and it was man hole cover. There was rather big crack in the water pipe network....

[BlueMak]

Originally Posted by Cow_160483

I will concede that there are some obscure references to UFO's in the 'egyptians' past but what about today now where are those aliens who taught the ancient Egyptians how to build the pyramids?? I mean if they are so advanced then why have they not made contact now???



Dude no offense to any American, I just said north America coz that's where most of the sitings of UFO's are today or in recent history that is . I will also pose the same question to you that i posed to "Neshi" if they are always flying arround wouldnt they have stoped to say 'Hi' by now?
Or is it all a goverment coverup??

As far as I know, I am not an alien, or a secret government agent, so, how can I answer that?

Just because there is no answer for something, it doesn't make any questions about it irrelevant.

Just for the fun though, just because you don't know on any "hi" by now, it doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

There aren't just ancient Egyptian contacts "available". The most famours are Summerian which go even futher back than any egyptian. Almost every continent has some legend or signs of such contact in the past. It doesn't mean they must be right, but just dismissing them because it is easier and more comforting, is not wise.


Just to make something clear. I am not one of those people that believe any intelligent alien species that arrive here must be friendly. Far from it.

[OmegaRED]

Originally Posted by BlueMak

Eye witness accounts might not be the best we could have, but it is the best we have. Even if 99.99% of them are not accurate, that doesn't make them all inaccurate.

Eye witness accounts are only useful in that it means people saw something, it doesn't lend any credence to the idea that it is extraterrestrial aircraft. There is too often a rush of people jumping to conclusions assuming what they saw had to be of alien origin because they can't explain it (I believe most ancient depictions of UFO's to be comets or meteorites). This isn't much different than people a few hundred years ago who credited God for things we now know have natural causes.

[craig5320]

I can't see any reason life didn't spark up on hundreds of other planets at the same time as the Earth.

What you've got to think about is evolution and what not. The dinosaurs were here before us etc, what if they stil reign supreme or that level of life. If humonoid's came into existance, and it's a fairly big if. Then we have things like electricity... and medicine, a lot of these discoveries were by chance. So the chances of them being repeated in any concievable form in relation to ours is slim.

There may be life, I don't think we'll ever meet it anyway, and if we did we'd probably die outright from their bacteria and vice versa.

It's an interesting thought, what would the world be like if it had started from scratch a second time, with no knowledge of this world. Helluva difference that's for sure.

[Neshi]

I wouldn't want to meet an alien that's for sure.
Some guy said it perfectly on this show I saw the other day on discovery. Earth investigated it was I think.

If you look to our own history what people did to eachother when they went out to explore the world. The lesser developed humans were enslaved/killed/massacred/extinced. I'm referring to Indians, Inca's, Negro's etc. etc. (and these people were of the same species even!)
I don't want to imagine what aliens would do to us. If they can get to earth, I am sure we are underdeveloped to them, and we're not even of the same species.. go figure.

[OmegaRED]

Originally Posted by Neshi

I wouldn't want to meet an alien that's for sure.
Some guy said it perfectly on this show I saw the other day on discovery. Earth investigated it was I think.

If you look to our own history what people did to eachother when they went out to explore the world. The lesser developed humans were enslaved/killed/massacred/extinced. I'm referring to Indians, Inca's, Negro's etc. etc. (and these people were of the same species even!)
I don't want to imagine what aliens would do to us. If they can get to earth, I am sure we are underdeveloped to them, and we're not even of the same species.. go figure.

If aliens are able to visit us yet haven't made their presence known (either peacefully or enslaving us) then they are certainly benevolent. If anything, they'd be afraid of our warlike nature.

It's a mistake to assume an alien species would be as violent as humans considering we're the only species on this planet that engages in war I'd say those are good odds for alien species being peaceful.

[ferret2004]

Ya never know. Maybe there are some hot alien girls out there somewhere

Seriously though, if an alien race has the knowlegde and technology to make it here, then they are smart enough to stay out of sight of the barbarian humanoids on this planet.

[dawgXdenta]

Aliens , e' lockness monster, big foot. People are truly interesting creatures. It might be of some interest to some of you that even here in africa we have similar tales that border on "scie fi". little hairy men (Thokoloshi) who kidnap little children, for God knows what purpose. The interesting thing about this myth(tell it as it is) is that it is similar to the chewbacabra tale. Both stay in the forest are short an both have an obsession with kids.

Anyway I realy dont see why any creature would be so dangerous and elusive. It should be that dangerous creatures ( e.g. lions, some snakes, even giant squids etc) because of their defenses tend to be flamboyant and advertise how deadly they are. Now taking the same logic why the heck would highly advanced aliens zip about the universe lurking in the shadows to steal some cows and imprint signs in tall grass. Doesn't sound very "Spock like" to me.

They would achieve far much more by communicating with us and trying to help us solve our devastating political problems, social and enviromental problem. But no ,lets make funky graffiti in the corn fields. We'll achive far much more that way

[BlueMak]

Originally Posted by dawgXdenta

Aliens , e' lockness monster, big foot. People are truly interesting creatures. It might be of some interest to some of you that even here in africa we have similar tales that border on "scie fi". little hairy men (Thokoloshi) who kidnap little children, for God knows what purpose. The interesting thing about this myth(tell it as it is) is that it is similar to the chewbacabra tale. Both stay in the forest are short an both have an obsession with kids.

Anyway I realy dont see why any creature would be so dangerous and elusive. It should be that dangerous creatures ( e.g. lions, some snakes, even giant squids etc) because of their defenses tend to be flamboyant and advertise how deadly they are. Now taking the same logic why the heck would highly advanced aliens zip about the universe lurking in the shadows to steal some cows and imprint signs in tall grass. Doesn't sound very "Spock like" to me.

They would achieve far much more by communicating with us and trying to help us solve our devastating political problems, social and enviromental problem. But no ,lets make funky graffiti in the corn fields. We'll achive far much more that way

Maybe aliens are assholes?

[Judas]

theres always at least one of them

[Mousey]

I'm open to the concept of another race of intelligent life forms out there, but people irritate me enough let alone aliens. lol

[Neshi]

Originally Posted by BlueMak

Maybe aliens are assholes?

maybe they like to f*ck with our minds and see how we will react
-> we copy them and make our own graffity in the fields..

But to react on OmegaRed.
You're probably right.. We are too barbaric for their taste and they just let us be... I wouldn't be surprised.
As for me, I think there is alien life somewhere in the universe, it would be stupid to think we're the only ones that managed to grow a brain..

[Judas]

It's impossible for life in some form or another to NOT excist outside our own earth.
It's just about as improbable that intelligent life to NOT excist other then ourselves outside our own earth.

[OmegaRED]

Try not to go off topic guys, the question isn't about the possibility of life on planets (that's a scientific matter) but whether UFO's exist and are being covered up by various governments.

[BlueMak]

Well UFOs exist and no one can claim otherwise. As long as we don't get confused about what UFO stands for. UFO doesn't mean alien spacecraft.

[Judas]

precisely..

the use of the word UFO has been deemed due to majority, as meaning alien in nature. Not of this world.

So asking if UFO's excist in that context is no different then asking if alien life excists beyond earth.

If you were asking in UFO's orginal context..... that wouldn't make much sense considering it's no different then asking if the sky is blue when it's clearly blue.....

[BlueMak]

Yahoo!

[Cow_160483]

Originally Posted by BlueMak

Yahoo!

Hahah i found that funny for some odd reason.