[BlueMak]

I was in a local store recently. It has a large selection of dvds. There there was a kid with his father. The kid wanted to get some movie on dvd, not sure which one. The father kept telling him, "no, we are not going to give money to get movies when we can get them off the internet for free".

I am not saying I am a saint or something, but this made me sick. Just awful.

[Mousey]

LOL! Sounds like a wise man to me
Can't beat an original quality DVD though

[Vikingod]

Ha. He may have been talking about Netflix or the like. It's easier to say "free" to a kid when you are talking about something you already pay for.

[mkk]

DVD? Whack the boy on his ear.

[Trunks0]

Originally Posted by Mousey

LOL! Sounds like a wise man to me
Can't beat an original quality DVD though

Sure you can, Blu-Ray rips

It is pretty funny though. Really makes you wonder what the numbers are like for the movie industry compared to say the video-game and music industry.

[mbeeston]

i'd rather have dvd >.>

can watch'em while gaming

[GigaWatt]

Originally Posted by Mousey

LOL! Sounds like a wise man to me

i agree, why buy something when you can get it for free...

i don't mind the DivX/XviD/X264 conversion/degradation of quality... when you think about it, nobody seemed to mind the VHS degradation of quality back in the 90's (which btw had worse quality than XviD/DivX), but when things like DVD and BlueRay came out, everybody seems to think that ripped movies from DVD/Blueray sources have poor quality... think about it...

[BlueMak]

You disgust me.

[Al_Vampyre]

Although I don't condone it, it is becoming a very prevalent attitude, and I just wonder what the tipping point is? At what point does the action become so prevalent that the law is powerless to do anything about it, or in the case of music copyright, at what point does it become more convenient to ignore it than prosecute it.

I'm always amazed that so few people are aware that ripping a CD to your mp3 player is illegal in the UK. That's right folks, the UK has no 'Fair Use' policy like the one the US has, backup copies are illegal here as well. Now, because Apple et al through VAT are pushing millions of pounds into the goverments coffers no-one is doing anything about it...how long before films become the same?

[Mousey]

Originally Posted by Al_Vampyre

Although I don't condone it, it is becoming a very prevalent attitude, and I just wonder what the tipping point is? At what point does the action become so prevalent that the law is powerless to do anything about it, or in the case of music copyright, at what point does it become more convenient to ignore it than prosecute it.

I'm always amazed that so few people are aware that ripping a CD to your mp3 player is illegal in the UK. That's right folks, the UK has no 'Fair Use' policy like the one the US has, backup copies are illegal here as well. Now, because Apple et al through VAT are pushing millions of pounds into the goverments coffers no-one is doing anything about it...how long before films become the same?

I'm still not taking the 2GB of music off my phone
That's one seriously fucked up law right there though. Music that you've bought and paid (maybe that's the problem right there actually ) for is illegal to use on portable music devices? considering it's such a massive market that makes millions of us criminals

[GigaWatt]

i think that music shouldn't be free of charge (just like any other art style), but hey, you can't stop piracy... people have tried this in the past, had no luck with it ... it's just the way of the world. as long as there is copyrighted material in the stores, there will always be someone who would rip/crack it. as long as there is a jing, there will be a jang ...

almost all of my music comes either from wav/flac or mp3 sources... if i had the money i would definitely buy most of the music i have collected over the years... but this is a totaly different discussion, i wouldn't like to get my social status and the social status of most of the people in my country in this discussion... it's cheaper to get an internet connection via ISP then to buy even one copyrighted CD/DVD...

just for the record, me and a friend of mine do some music together, mostly electronic... i wasn't surprised or mad when i saw a rip of a compilation on which one of our tracks was released... just the oposite, we had more comments about our track when the rip came out compared to the time there was no rip of the CD... so i guess ripping has it's positive sides too...

[Judas]

i find nothing wrong with he said..

with the amount of garbage movies all over...... i'd rather download and watch it and if i like it.. i MAY buy it.....

considering that fact that alot of movies aren't widely available on dvd let alone BR.... also makes things far more interesting.

[MandyDance]

Sign me up!!!

[dj_stick]

did you even read the thread?



I always pay for movies/music/games these days, really don't see the point in piracy...

[Galactus]

BlueMak doesn't mind paying.
I really don't care...I do both.
I can get stuff from the net and sometimes I end up buying it if I really like it.

You can't get blueray of the net..not at the moment.

[Zardon]

Originally Posted by Galactus

You can't get blueray of the net..not at the moment.

Actually there are bluray rips online, they are rather large in file size and you need specific programs to play them.

That said, lets not post links or info in here, Id like DH to remain fully legal. I think this is always going to be a grey area, right? some people say its fine to download games, movies and music. I'll not start a huge debate here, but I will say that while it looks "invisible", its still data that has cost companies sometimes millions or tens of millions to produce, by not giving back you are not helping future development of the respective media.

I am certainly not lecturing anyone, but it really is sometimes worth thinking about. I can see that it is no worse than just walking into a store, lifting a product, taking it home, trying it out and then coming back later and paying (if you feel its good enough).

One of the main issues with the digital world we live in.

[Judas]

ey.


download anything.... if it's good.. buy it..... if not... you saved yourself the money and only waisted the bandwidth and time....

[Stop It]

Originally Posted by Judas

ey.


download anything.... if it's good.. buy it..... if not... you saved yourself the money and only waisted the bandwidth and time....

You can't go to the shops and take something without paying just to decide whether you like it or not, that was Zardons point.

While I cannot say that I have never downloaded a movie before, I haven't done so for a long time, and with HD DVDs dirt cheap here, and LoveFilm for DVD rental (I have a sub there) and netflix for HD Movie streaming to my 360 (I will sub there when I can be bothered doing the US CC exploit), I see no reason to pirate any longer.

[Judas]

that's true... yes.... you can't go into someones shop and STEAL a movie or product from them, and they will lose inventory on the product..... where as with the internet, and a duplicated copy, they aren't losing inventory on something. The only company that can fundementally be effected by this is the creators of the said program or video or whatever has been duplicated.

While some people are just going to go with it for free, people that like it, and are reasonable enough to realize that the creator needs support for it, they'll buy the product.

And in a number of places, you simply cannot get some of the products... i'm having one hell of a time getting my hands on Dragon Speak Premium.

[BlueMak]

So, Judas, I guess your job is not one where you make games or more to the topic, make movies, so, fuck those people, right? It's not like they have families to take care of, or that people enjoy the product of their labor. I mean, that's why people steal shit, because they don't like them so why pay for them..wait, what?

[Judas]

no your reading to far into one side of what i had said and generalizing it for all.

Maybe i make it a bit clearer.

I was saying that as an example: Movies... Downloading them, watching them for free, streaming them isn't all that horrible, It's already bad enough that the theaters are raping the hell out of everyone.

In the case of lets just say, Indiana Jones. I watched a day before it's official release streaming over the internet. I'll admit that, I watched it, the movie was excellent thoroughly enjoyed it, and the end result, I now own it on Blu-Ray DVD. Who lost? I had no intention nor could i have ever made it to the theater to pay for a ticket and watch it anyways. Therefore no one single person lost, and a few companies actually got the benefit due to thier services or adds being used for me to find the damn movie over the net anyways.

Now in the case of say Doomsday 2012. I watched it about 3 weeks after it came out in theaters in the comfort of my home yet again. I have a tendency to tolerate a horrible movie to the end to draw a full conclusion, the result, a frigen shitty movie IMO. I wouldn't have seen it in theaters anyways, I'm definitely not going to own it on DVD. They wouldn't have had anything to gain anyways. I waisted that much of my life watching it and a few sites once again, got advertising out of it.

We can't police everyone, to each thier own, they will either help or hinder the system in thier own way. BUT, i'm confident enough to know that i've supported what i consider good in the best way i can within reason, and i don't support what i consider to be crap simply without having to do anything anyways.

So to clarify, Fuck the people that make shitty products, shitty stories, shitty movies, do shitty work, shit for quality, and thier families. If i buy a peice of shit product from walmart, i can bloody well return it, what's the difference with any dvd or cd or movie or whatever, the only problem is that there is suspicion of copying it, I don't give them that chance. I HAVE control in that respect, they can't dictate anything to me. We all have very little resources to share, i'd prefer to share it with the people that actually do the work and do it well.

[GigaWatt]

i see you guys got in one hell of debate... but i'm with Judas on this one, as i stated earlier .

if i had the money i would surely buy the original movie/software/game if i liked it that much... where i live there aren't even that much CD/DVD /game shops... especially not ones where you could get the original ones, most of them are DVD/CD copies, the law against selling piracy doesn't really function around here... but hey, what can i do... i'm surrounded by people who don't really care if the movie/game/CD they just bought is an original or not... if they don't find it the store, they will just download it off the net... or have someone download it for them if they don't have an internet connection at their home.

let's take an example: there is a software company and this company makes one great piece of software, millions of people use it, it's easy to use, easy to install, easy to upgrade... suppose there is this cracker team that made a crack for this particular piece of software, and suddenly people who didn't have the money to buy the software, but wanted to use it, can have the privilege to use it. now isn't that a reason enough why piracy should exist and why it should be accessible to anyone who might like to use this piece of software...?

if the software company was so worried about their product being cracked, why don't they just make some kind of better protection system... or do what Steinberg did, they paid off H2O not to make a crack for Cubase Studio 4... and there still isn't a 100% working crack of Studio 4 .