[BlueMak]

There will be two planes incoming. The first one flies REALLY low, can you guess how much?

BTW, I don't like titles like it, but I didn't upload the file.

YouTube - F4 HAF HELLENIC AIR FORCE THE BEST PILOTS IN THE WORLD

[Tyrsonswood]

looked like he dipped his wing as he passed.... I'd say about 6 inches above the water.....

[Falstaff]

2 meters. from surface to wingtip, at 400 plus knots it wont leave a wake and because of the angle of the wing tip the vortice is communicated past the extended trailing edge until you exceed 600 knots where air friction might produce a pulse like disruption of airflow over the top but not the bottom of the wing. Great for weapons and ordinance and for low speed acrobatics, even for a heavy airplane. The ship is a Garcia or OHP class warship with SM2 missles on midships and it was taken from the 01 level navigation bridge or port bridgewing.

[Tyrsonswood]

You cheat Falstaff......

[BlueMak]

The ship is not a Garcia or OHP class warship. It looks like a greek ship and Greece doesn't have any of those two classes.

Hellenic Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It looks like a Meko 200HN class to me.

I don't know if you are accurate about the distance, but I like what you said.

[Falstaff]

Originally Posted by BlueMak

The ship is not a Garcia or OHP class warship. It looks like a greek ship and Greece doesn't have any of those two classes.

Hellenic Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It looks like a Meko 200HN class to me.

I don't know if you are accurate about the distance, but I like what you said.

Just looks like an OHP to me, based on the design and the hull types the greek government bought. I started out as a Ready Marine, then a surface sailor and then submarines after a brief but fun stint with the aviation community.
Airplanes, I can fathom that, but ships, I would have to peek over the port bridgewing or see the sturn of the Surface to Air radar and microwave package to guess if she was using our tactical suite.

[BlueMak]

It just isn't an OHP. First of all, it doesn't like like one, second of all, Greece doesn't have any of its class.

There are a couple more reasons, but these two are enough.

[Falstaff]

so the Oliver Hazard Perry Class ships were decom'd

maybe I am thinking of an Adams class ship or a Garcia perhaps, unless I am looking at an old Dutch frigate.

[BlueMak]

Why don't you just accept what I am saying?
Don't be so stubborn.
The OHP weren't dec'ed from the Hellenic Navy since we never had them. We almost bought some in the mid 90s, but didn't. Turkey did though.
We had Adams class destroyers, 3 I think, but the last saw service in the 90s as did the last Knox (I was on one of them).


I was right, almost. It isn't a MEKO class, it is an Elli / Standard class. (which is a dutch design)

[Mousey]

Lol it's amazing how Falstaff can turn the simplest of threads into a debate
In white man's terms i'd say literally feet above the water

[BlueMak]

Originally Posted by Mousey

Lol it's amazing how Falstaff can turn the simplest of threads into a debate
In white man's terms i'd say literally feet above the water

Yeah, but that's ok, I still like him.



BTW, in "white man's terms"? lol

[Mousey]

Originally Posted by BlueMak

Yeah, but that's ok, I still like him.



BTW, in "white man's terms"? lol

It's the way we say "Simply" in my town, i don't quite get why it has to be "White Man's Terms" either

[Falstaff]

Originally Posted by BlueMak

Why don't you just accept what I am saying?
Don't be so stubborn.
The OHP weren't dec'ed from the Hellenic Navy since we never had them. We almost bought some in the mid 90s, but didn't. Turkey did though.
We had Adams class destroyers, 3 I think, but the last saw service in the 90s as did the last Knox (I was on one of them).

I was right, almost. It isn't a MEKO class, it is an Elli / Standard class. (which is a dutch design)

makes sense that the ship is a dutch design, it reminds me of a similiar Canadian and UK designs, with Gas Turbines, etc.

I was just curious actually, no bloody debate, I really dont have any interest in quibbling over what hulls the Greek Navy purchased. I am was just asking that is all.
During two of our med cruises we joined up with surface vessels from many countries and i recall in my mind seeing either Adams class or OHP class ships in our group.
no hard feeings man, but I have a keen interest in ships because I was a sailor in the USN for a little while, but I served on a real ship, not some tiny escort,

Some old timers here may remember that I served on the USS MISSOURI.


I am a member of the 600 pound steam navy of the old days, and recieved my Surface Warfare Qualifications on three ships, including the USS MISSOURI.

If you have pics of your old ships it would be awesome if you could post them.
I have 7 years on my sea clock and have seen many things.

[BlueMak]

Very cool photos. I envy you you have such photos left. I had 2 film rolls from my time (had a lousy cheap camera and nothing else), but when I sent them they told me they were burned or something. The films (negatives) were all black (if I remember correctly). From my time there I have only 3 surviving photos, one from my military ID, which I no longer have, one from the day we gave the oath and one I was on the deck. The last two are "safe" according to my mother that has them "somewhere"

I choose not to reply to your way of talking about smaller ships. Because I am the better man . :-p

Still, I would love to see how, even USS Missouri, would handle a sea like the Aegean in a war. Things can be too big.

[Falstaff]

Well the Missouri's mission was to launch missles and shore bombardment during the last Gulf War before she was decommsioned. She had a special hull design for keeping up with faster ships and still accurately lay fire on targets at over 20 knots because she became more stable then. We had several Tomahawk launches and we exhausted our full compliment of missles on IRAQ with two exceptions. One missle burned up in the ABL and the other was not programed correctly so the booster did not light off.
We had two silkwarm missles fire at us and the USS FIFE and NICHOLS and HMS CLOUCHESTER engaged them and shot them down. I spent three days at General Quarters in MOP4 gear and had to break into flash gear when one of the boosters ignited prematurely and melted a hold in the deck and cooked off the missle in the ABL.
At war - Silkworm attack

The United Nations gave Iraq a deadline to withdraw by the 16 January 1991. Saddam Hussein did not comply with the UN deadline and hostilities began in Iraq early on the morning of the 17 January. Wayland takes us through his experiences that night. (excerpt from: Sea Your History - Wayland Austin )

'Went to bed, I was asleep by half past midnight or so, then I remember about I suppose half past two maybe, maybe quarter past two, I remember the Captain came over the main broadcast, although I was still in bed and said "the tomahawks are now firing from the Wisconsin and the Missouri who were sort of one and three miles to the east of us, if you want to go up and have a look then do. You know, we are now, hostilities have now commenced" and he read out a signal that our boss out there, who was on the London had sent, a sort of very gung ho, steely type of signal, the exact contents of which I can't remember. And he said, "We can expect to go to action stations in the next hour" and I sort of said, "Okay, fine" and rolled over and went back to sleep again. Next thing I know, the old action alarm went off.'
Wayland Austin went to his station where he helped coordinate air missions
On 25 February HMS Gloucester was escorting the USS Missouri close to the Kuwaiti coast as it bombarded the shore with its 16-inch guns.
In the early hours of that morning the Iraqis fired a Silkworm missile against the Missouri. In less than 90 seconds Gloucester had destroyed the Silkworm with two Sea Darts, in what proved to be the first validated, successful engagement of a missile, by a missile, in combat at sea.

[Neshi]

I would say 1 to 2 meters..

[BlueMak]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

Well the Missouri's mission was to launch missles and shore bombardment during the last Gulf War before she was decommsioned. She had a special hull design for keeping up with faster ships and still accurately lay fire on targets at over 20 knots because she became more stable then. We had several Tomahawk launches and we exhausted our full compliment of missles on IRAQ with two exceptions. One missle burned up in the ABL and the other was not programed correctly so the booster did not light off.
We had two silkwarm missles fire at us and the USS FIFE and NICHOLS and HMS CLOUCHESTER engaged them and shot them down. I spent three days at General Quarters in MOP4 gear and had to break into flash gear when one of the boosters ignited prematurely and melted a hold in the deck and cooked off the missle in the ABL.
At war - Silkworm attack

The United Nations gave Iraq a deadline to withdraw by the 16 January 1991. Saddam Hussein did not comply with the UN deadline and hostilities began in Iraq early on the morning of the 17 January. Wayland takes us through his experiences that night. (excerpt from: Sea Your History - Wayland Austin )

'Went to bed, I was asleep by half past midnight or so, then I remember about I suppose half past two maybe, maybe quarter past two, I remember the Captain came over the main broadcast, although I was still in bed and said "the tomahawks are now firing from the Wisconsin and the Missouri who were sort of one and three miles to the east of us, if you want to go up and have a look then do. You know, we are now, hostilities have now commenced" and he read out a signal that our boss out there, who was on the London had sent, a sort of very gung ho, steely type of signal, the exact contents of which I can't remember. And he said, "We can expect to go to action stations in the next hour" and I sort of said, "Okay, fine" and rolled over and went back to sleep again. Next thing I know, the old action alarm went off.'
Wayland Austin went to his station where he helped coordinate air missions
On 25 February HMS Gloucester was escorting the USS Missouri close to the Kuwaiti coast as it bombarded the shore with its 16-inch guns.
In the early hours of that morning the Iraqis fired a Silkworm missile against the Missouri. In less than 90 seconds Gloucester had destroyed the Silkworm with two Sea Darts, in what proved to be the first validated, successful engagement of a missile, by a missile, in combat at sea.

I wasn't talking about against a naval superpower as Iraq was in the 1990s.


The ship was great and in many ways it would still be great today, just depends on the war and the playing field.

[Falstaff]

LOL
I understand, just talking about the good old days underway.
1991 was the bright moment for my ship before she was decommisioned later on.
I remember fondly what it was to be part of something that was almost alive.
what is a ship without her captain and her crew.
I remember her so well, now resting comfortably in Hawaii next to the Arizona.
Perhaps you have similiar memories of your ship.

[BlueMak]

I have some good memories, some not so good, some exciting and some very boring.
Although we never officially saw action, there were a few times when things could have gone in a very different way than they did, with out friends, neighbours and allies Turkey.

My ship is no longer, but I know what you mean about feeling it was alive. She was.

But, nothing to do with this thread. lol

I would say between 1 and 3 meters. Either way, I wouldn't do it.

[BlueMak]

One more, very cool views.
Just ignore 1:44-2:04 Irrelevant clip in there.
YouTube - H.A.F. F-4E Phantom ''Low Level Flying 338 Sqn"

There are a couple of photos of low flying greek F4s, like a 1-2m over the ground, I know I have them but no idea where. If I find them I will post them.

[Falstaff]

Whoa....
that looks like they are flying over Chania and Iraklion!!!!
I saw what looked like the Lassithi plains in the middle of Crete.
When I was a kid I saw a Greek plane crash after the Cyprus conflict.
We thought it hit Mount Iedri.

oh yeah...where was I...
here are some vids about French Pilots, I really enjoy them.

and here they are again in CHAD...LOL

[Falstaff]

Originally Posted by BlueMak

I have some good memories, some not so good, some exciting and some very boring.
Although we never officially saw action, there were a few times when things could have gone in a very different way than they did, with out friends, neighbours and allies Turkey.

My ship is no longer, but I know what you mean about feeling it was alive. She was.

But, nothing to do with this thread. lol

I would say between 1 and 3 meters. Either way, I wouldn't do it.

I know what you mean, I learned as much as I could about my ship and I want to return to Hawaii just to see her again and go back to H division and see where I lived for three years. A truly magnificent ship. Here are some Missouri Vids you might like.




Forgive me but I want you to see the USS MISSOURI and USS NEW JERSEY in a gun duel.
we put more ordinance on the target than the Jersey because of a mechanical fault in the forward aux.

[BlueMak]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

Whoa....
that looks like they are flying over Chania and Iraklion!!!!
I saw what looked like the Lassithi plains in the middle of Crete.
When I was a kid I saw a Greek plane crash after the Cyprus conflict.
We thought it hit Mount Iedri.

I will check the videos tomorrow, it is 0240 here.
No fighter planes reached Cyprus during the turkish invasion. The traitors in command of Greece at the time received orders or "orders" from the USA to not intervene in any way. The only greek military help were about 20 transport planes carrying infantry that was already landing when the orders came. (they fought).

There were IIRC one or two transport planes shot down by Cypriot defences when they thought they were turkish planes, but the were no other greek planes lost there.