[River]

Mindless Oath and Neon Cowboy both commented about "Dell sucks", or tossing their groceries when they hear the word Dell, and I am just curious as to why they feel this way.

Have they owned a Dell in the past? Do they have a friend who owned and Dell and they have seen first hand, or are they simply taken back by the "Dell dude" commercials?

I'm all ears and have the time to listen to why you feel as strong as you do about Dell.

I've worked with many a computer over the years, owned three different makes of computers and my Dell is by far better than any computer I've ever worked with or owned previously.

River~

[craig588]

dell isnt that bad compared to alot of other companies. Compared to building your own they suck. You get stuck with stuff you dont need and you pay way to much.

[JavaFox]

Originally posted by River
Dell is by far better than any computer I've ever worked with or owned previously.

Quoted for truth. Seriously, if you aren't the kind of person that builds their own PCs, Dells are good.

[spark rain fire]

Originally posted by River
Mindless Oath and Neon Cowboy both commented about "Dell sucks", or tossing their groceries when they hear the word Dell, and I am just curious as to why they feel this way.

Have they owned a Dell in the past? Do they have a friend who owned and Dell and they have seen first hand, or are they simply taken back by the "Dell dude" commercials?

I'm all ears and have the time to listen to why you feel as strong as you do about Dell.

I've worked with many a computer over the years, owned three different makes of computers and my Dell is by far better than any computer I've ever worked with or owned previously.

River~

my roomate has a dell. my roomate is a moron. period.

[River]

Granted there are some things you will get that are bundled when you buy any computer, some of which you will not use (software mostly) and in my case a 56kmodem (I'm on cable) but that is the only thing that came with mine that I didn't need. And, I was only thinking along the lines of comparing computers that are manufactured, not the ones you build yourself. I know there are some kick butt computers out there; AlienWare and so on.

And if the guys here who are talking about Dell sucks, and are comparing them to their own computers that they built, then I can understand, but not a fair comparisson.

I wonder how these guys' computers compare to the top of the line "build it yourself" computers? Others who build their own, and have the very best of everything, dual processors, water cooled, 42" plasma monitors, ect. ect., might think "your" home built makes them chuck hunks.

[craig588]

I'm talking about price-performance. You will pay about 1000$ more for an identical system if you have it prebuilt.

[River]

Don't think I can agree with you on the $1,000 more. I bought my system in February of this year for $1,800, and that included a Lexmark X75, in black to match the digital flat panel, tower, keyboard and mouse.

If what you say is true, then a person could build a similar unit for $800, including a 17" flat panel monitor, and matching black Lexmark X75 printer. The printer, which I doubt these guys can build, cost about $100 at that time, the monitor cost just under $300, for a total of $400. That only leaves $400 for these guys to build a similar unit, and that I find hard to believe.

I am not arguing the point that build it yourself computers are better or not better, or that you end up with only what you want at a reduced cost to you, but I am arguing the point that I don't think it can be done for $400. If it can, I want them to build me as many of them as they can, ship em to me, I'll sell 'em for $500 over cost, pocket $200 for each unit, and send them $300 for each unit.

Hey, isn't that how Dell got started

supply and demand, and sell at volume to reduce costs

[Zardon]

Originally posted by JavaFox
Quoted for truth. Seriously, if you aren't the kind of person that builds their own PCs, Dells are good.

I agree, they also make great server systems.

[JavaFox]

Originally posted by craig588
I'm talking about price-performance. You will pay about 1000$ more for an identical system if you have it prebuilt.

No

[craig588]

I just tried to configure a system as close to mine as possible from www.ibuypower.com (I think they have the most customizeable systems, if you have a better idea tell me) and it cost about 900$ more than my system cost me.

So not quite 1000$, but its still quite alot.

[spark rain fire]

1000$ more?

i dont know what kind of systems you were comparing, but i belive i got a bang up good deal on my machine.
and yes, i did build it myself, from the ground up.

there is no greater feeling than building your own machine. knowing that every screw, every board, and every peripheral was hand picked, and hand placed in your box. every piece of pcb board placed with the utmost care and presision, and knowing that in the end, you will have one kick ass machine (if you did everything right that is) when its all said and done, when you have a tower that dosent have a dell, hp, or e logo on it but a 'amd xp sticker' and a 'newegg.com' case badge instead. let me tell you its just orgasmic.

[spark rain fire]

Originally posted by craig588
I just tried to configure a system as close to mine as possible from www.ibuypower.com (I think they have the most customizeable systems, if you have a better idea tell me) and it cost about 900$ more than my system cost me.

So not quite 1000$, but its still quite alot.

its not like ibuypower is going to give you the machine at cost. thats not a real comparison at all.

[River]

Orgasmic? you get off by looking at the egghead logo? and here I thought I was the only one who had orgasmic feelings when I looked at my all black unit with the silver Dell logo

but I do understand how you feel about building it yourself, and knowing what is inside, how it was installed and so on. very similar feelings that I have experienced in building race cars; i.e. engines, suspension and so on, it is very orgasmic if that is what you are in to.

but on the other hand there is something to be said about warranties and such, and even though I haven't experienced any problems with my Dell, my last computer, a Gateway, had the monitor starting to go out after about 9 months, and two days later I not only received a brand new monitor from Gateway, but it was the next model up, without any cost to me, and they shipped it to me while I still had the old monitor, and they paid for me to send to that one back. Let me tell you, it was orgasmic.

[craig588]

Originally posted by spark rain fire
its not like ibuypower is going to give you the machine at cost.

thats exactly my point

[spark rain fire]

Originally posted by River
Orgasmic? you get off by looking at the egghead logo? and here I thought I was the only one who had orgasmic feelings when I looked at my all black unit with the silver Dell logo

but I do understand how you feel about building it yourself, and knowing what is inside, how it was installed and so on. very similar feelings that I have experienced in building race cars; i.e. engines, suspension and so on, it is very orgasmic if that is what you are in to.

but on the other hand there is something to be said about warranties and such, and even though I haven't experienced any problems with my Dell, my last computer, a Gateway, had the monitor starting to go out after about 9 months, and two days later I not only received a brand new monitor from Gateway, but it was the next model up, without any cost to me, and they shipped it to me while I still had the old monitor, and they paid for me to send to that one back. Let me tell you, it was orgasmic.

i have warrantys.
1 from ati, one from amd, ect.

they are just all seperate

i'm not denying dells ability to make a good computer, for little money.

i'm denying dells ability to rock.

hah

[River]

ok, I'm listening, tell me why your system "rocks" and my Dell doesn't, other than the little bit of extra ram you have, I just don't see where you are out-rocking my Dell.

and then after I stick another 512 stick in, then what?

and I really am sorry to hear that you think your room mate is moron, but that is not Dell's fault.

[The_Neon_Cowboy]

Originally posted by River
Mindless Oath and Neon Cowboy both commented about "Dell sucks", or tossing their groceries when they hear the word Dell, and I am just curious as to why they feel this way.

Have they owned a Dell in the past? Do they have a friend who owned and Dell and they have seen first hand, or are they simply taken back by the "Dell dude" commercials?

I'm all ears and have the time to listen to why you feel as strong as you do about Dell.

I've worked with many a computer over the years, owned three different makes of computers and my Dell is by far better than any computer I've ever worked with or owned previously.

River~

#1 thier over priced compared to others, enven cutom built generics are head over heels better

#2 They have some terable support, i've hard many horror stories for thier customers!!!!

#3 Thier pre built / thier propirtary thier mainboards and powersupplys are custom made so you have to pay thier $90 for a $15 power supply and even more for the mobo!. use of seprate 5 volt lines thier own form factors. Verry verry bad

#4 OEM quilty parts/meaning they chose the absolute cheapest parts they can get thier hands on at the time of manufacture

#5 Thier all based on p4's no amd's that a real kick in the crotch right there amd's got top spot right now even beating out a 4.1 ghz with a 1.6ghz over clocked to 2500 mhz amd64 cpu

#6 I've worked on all brands of pc's hundereds! Dell just ins't a performer for the $$$ your forking out thier no better than comaq or hp or Emachines or Sony they just have more customers due to some comany giveing them a #1 rateing in support (i'd rate them say a 5 on a scale of 10). Also thier running on the theme that intel is allmighty.

Originally posted by craig588
I'm talking about price-performance. You will pay about 1000$ more for an identical system if you have it prebuilt.

#7 I've seen a $300 amd push more 2001se marks than a $2,300 dell !!!!!!!

#8 as for the dell dude thier mascot so to speak was busted in new your for weed possesion. thats why you've seeen les of dude your getting a dell.

Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy



Benjamin Curtis, better known as the "Dell Dude" from the computer company's television commercials, was released from jail after being arrested on Manhattan's Lower East Side on suspicion of trying to buy marijuana.

did everyone hear about this? to my supirze dell is still useing him.... even after all this ....

'Dell Dude' released after marijuana arrest

'Dell Dude' arrested for marijuana possession


Is 'Dell dude' Steven done for?



not to mention he gets off with but a slap on the rist...

I posted that a while back.......

Originally posted by River

I've worked with many a computer over the years, owned three different makes of computers and my Dell is by far better than any computer I've ever worked with or owned previously.
River~

#9 Pc's are my life I'm try not to bash you here but I've worked on many manys pc's as a lead technicain @ a local comanpany i've seen all sorts of pc's. If you can name it i probubly worked on it, i've personally built and repaired countles hunderds of pc's. Saying that my responce to that is you said thee is you really to get out more.

#10 go into you bios and tell me about the 95% of the menu that dell edits out so you have very limited options.

#11 any one who really knows about pc's builds thier own as they can see that the advantages are tremendus.....

#12 even thier sblive cards arent true sblive cards they use a diffrent branded chip on the card (to make it cheaper) and are custom bult by creative for dell. Thats why thier drivers are diffrent!!!

Originally posted by spark rain fire
my roomate has a dell. my roomate is a moron. period.

# 13 Agreed! but not in that way. there are many brands out ther that could lay a dell to waist perfomance / price wise but thier not as well known

Originally posted by Zardon
I agree, they also make great server systems.

#14 multi- p4's zeons systems are great number crunchers , but hardly anything you could use every day or game on.... thier quite espensive... as for thier every day pc's they aen't nearlly as good.

#15 I work on dells @ my work (aka. motorola) and the p3's 450mhz's we have (genreic but branded) flash the phones faster that of the p4's that we've we got on the lines! were talking 45 seconds to 1 1/2minutes faster!!! on about 6 minute flash. isn't that funny?


I'll think of more later that just the tip of the ice berg... the size of the north pole

[spark rain fire]

good stuff

[craig588]

Neon is great at coming up with what I want to say but don't have the energy to put down into words.

[spark rain fire]

Originally posted by craig588
Neon is great at coming up with what I want to say but don't have the energy to put down into words.

i'll second that. (even though i dont know neon, i'm a n00b in this msg board)

[Necrosis]

I totally agree Neon.

Two years ago I had to "rebuild" a bran-new Dell system a friend received for college. Constant lockups, unstable..and want to know what I found?

1. Passive Heatsink on a P3 866MHz PIII w/ a duct & a single 80MM fan.
2. 200 Watt Power Supply
3. 5400RPM HD - Mounted Vertically
4. IRQ Sharing/Conflicts
5. Orginally came w/ 256 Meg of PC133..Ram would not work with any other ram. Had to replace it with two sticks from Crucial to finally make it stable.

[River]

Neon Cowboy

overpriced: I compared before I bought, with a wide range of manufacturers; Micron, Gateway, Alienware, Dell, Compaq, IBM, Sony, ect. To get what "I" wanted, which was an all black unit, and most of everything else listed in my sig, Dell had the best price going, with free shipping and an additional free year on the warranty. you mentioned in #1 that even generics were head over heels better, but then I refer you to your statement in #4 where you say Dell uses the cheapest parts (not 100% true) yet you say generics are better. Generics don't use cheap parts?

support: horror stories about support, and I don't care who the manufacturer is, and I bet there are horror stories from your customers about your business, and maybe even your work? Horror stories, they are a dime a dozen and everyone has one. I've been to forums where guys build their own and heard their horror stories, I've read horror stories about just about every computer company or parts supplier there is.

I have only had to contact Dell once, I received a confirming email that day, which was followed up the following day with the solution to my problem. I've had my Dell since Februrary, 8 months, no problems, not even one single crash, not one single lock up, no bsod.

The only way a $300 system could beat a $2000 system is if the $2000 system was turned off! Come on now, be serious about the discussion.

I never said "Dell is the greatest" but I know that no $300 system will out perform my Dell, and I know that my Dell rocks, for what I want it to do (music, cdrw, games(moha,quake,half life) and speed surf. I have yet to have any problems with it, nor have any complaints about the support from the company. My system looks sharp, boots up in 25 seconds, shuts down in 10 seconds, and scores 1733/256 on cable speeds down & up. I'm pulling 231 mp/s on my radeon card with res set at 1024x768. I don't remember my 3D scores but they were as good as any other comparable system that posted scores, or better.

I've seen my friends' Compaqs, HP's, and Emachines, and you couldn't give me one of those, and you want to talk about proprietary, yet in the same breath you knock the Dell.

What else do I need this thing to do that it doesn't do already, and do it fast?

And when someone starts bashing I like to find out why they feel the way they do. You have listed some very good reasons, from your point of view, and some of this is based on fact I would assume. But you also cloud the picture with statements that are not true, or are opinions rather than fact.

[craig588]

You say dell doesn't use cheaper parts, but there you are with a crappy r9700TX. Crappy harmon kardon speakers. (harmon kardon makes good AMPS not speakers) Only an SB live and not an audigy.

[@/2ct!<]

Neon and others opened my eyes, Dell is good for the average person that doesnt even care about things other than email, and even then emachines are the cheapest computer out there premade. I have tried to compare similar systems, but it still seems that Dell comes pretty close to better deals than build yourself if you forget to factor out cheaper mobos, psus and the like, which is really the catch in dells. And where do you get prices craig, i tried similar systems from newegg and ibuypower and didnt see your huge gap, i probably miss something though. And Neon, come on... WTF can you get for $300, no way it beats any functional dell of $1000 or greater, let alone $2300. Dell warranty is ok, but most retail parts have similar/better ones. Also, you get the best deal on bundles with Dell, if you want them. They have many software things @ cheaper price, but only a value if you need half that junk. Also neon is right, my BIOS has next to nothing in it. Pretty much Dells arent the best, but definately arent horrible.

[craig588]

I have spent about 1900$ on my main computer. This includes the used deals, and trades I have done on it. Dell won't let you trade your old stuff, and they don't offer used. (To my knowledge anyways)

[River]

Craig 588,

I never said Dell doesn't use cheap parts, what I did say not all their parts are cheap. say what you want, the 9700TX is a good card (see the scores I posted with it) and the Kardon speakers with sub woofer does all I need it to do. if I seriously want to listen to music I use my stand alone Sony system, not my computer. and if I want to watch tv I use my big screen and dvd player, not my computer.

see, a guy tries to have a decent discussion, to see where people are at, and some one always wants to start slamming, saying you said this or that when you didn't.

some times it just doesn't seem worth the effort, but then again........I got a "DELL Dude!"

[spark rain fire]

To get what "I" wanted, which was an all black unit,

i'm glad we are basing our computer purchaces on color..

[@/2ct!<]

allright craig, that makes a lot of sense now, deals are good, and now its easy to see how you could win. ON another note, dell/ibuypower/younameit all try to make a profit, duh! but so do the places that sell you the parts to build yourself, so the increase is not as much as you would think, but labor is the killer.

[River]

not on color, but considered the color, as I would rather have a black unit if it cost $100 more than a generic beige unit, with all other components equal.

see what I mean about slamming

[Necrosis]

Originally posted by River
not on color, but considered the color, as I would rather have a black unit if it cost $100 more than a generic beige unit, with all other components equal.

see what I mean about slamming

Originally posted by River
Mindless Oath and Neon Cowboy both commented about "Dell sucks", or tossing their groceries when they hear the word Dell, and I am just curious as to why they feel this way.

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