AMD vs INTEL

Sharkims · Oct 15, 2003, 07:50 AM

The time has come, I'm going to go back to my P4 3.0HT chip and hang this FX-51 on the wall. It's done nothing but cause me problems since the day I got it.

Back to INTEL For my gaming rig, however this Athlon 64 3200+ is very stable and will remain in my server box untill XP 64bit comes out officialy.

mbeeston · Oct 15, 2003, 07:58 AM

ALL HAIL THE P4... THE KING UNTILL WE NEED MORE THEN 4 GB OF MEMORY!

Sharkims · Oct 15, 2003, 08:03 AM

Hah, the ironic part is my Avatar.

kinetic · Oct 15, 2003, 08:06 AM

Did we get out of the wrong side this morning? http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=28574

Sharkims · Oct 15, 2003, 08:22 AM

Actualy the big problem is:
I have homework to do, I can't do it on 800x600 and I need it done tonight, so I haven't slept yet.

Markius · Oct 15, 2003, 08:55 AM

P4 HT!!! hell yeah...
ive had pentiums for every pc ive had EXCEPT my last rig wich was a 1800+..was good for gaming but i could barely use more than one program at a time..wid the cpu i have now i can do everything i want + shit i prolly dont even know about

Al_Vampyre · Oct 15, 2003, 09:41 AM

Waiting for Prescott!!

Sharkims · Oct 15, 2003, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by Al_Vampyre
Waiting for Prescott!!

I will be getting a Prescott, just have had this 3.0HT chip sitting and staring at me.

MSX · Oct 15, 2003, 07:10 PM

Hmm, you wanna sell it to me?

Sharkims · Oct 15, 2003, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by MSX
Hmm, you wanna sell it to me?

Are you saying you want the FX-51, seriously?

mike2h · Oct 15, 2003, 08:26 PM

probably a good choice for other reasons too.- we will see a LOT more software/games taking advantage of ht in the next couple of years than we will 64 bit.
imo, we will see very little 64 bit software/ games for at least a year. & what does 64 bit windows get you? winxp is ht enabled & everything happens so fast now that any improvement is going to be miniscule at best.

nForcer · Oct 15, 2003, 09:23 PM

For me, its all about Intel. I specificly chose the Xeon class for my new server reguardless of the price.
Dual 3.06 HT enabled Pentium 4 Xeon CPU's will make a very nice file/web server and general encoding rig!

Necrosis · Oct 16, 2003, 04:04 AM

Ugh Intel...

I don't really see any reason to hold onto the FX since you could probably get enough money from selling it to buy yourself a P4E next month.

reno · Oct 16, 2003, 04:14 AM

I need to upgrade...badly...after two years my machine is slowing down...I have to turn features off in Halo to get it to run 30 fps! ARGH!

At least when I play AvP2 or Max Payne 2 I get perfectly fluid play with everything as far as she'll go...but she needs a 2.6 Ghz P4 HThreader overclocked to 3.2! Oh, and a Radeon 9800 XT...maybe...unless Nvidia gets much faster.

Maybe if prices go down for the 9800 Pro I'll start with that...the XT is basically just an overclock...and a pro could be found for much cheaper....

I dunno. Back to the point, I wish Intel would squirt out the Prescott, the 700 dollar FX-51 is kicking their 600 dollar 3.2 EE's ass...kinda.

dipstick · Oct 16, 2003, 04:16 AM

I'm very impressed with the A64 and its not even an FX!!! Try a VIA mobo man, I think you'll love your FX again

Necrosis · Oct 16, 2003, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by reno
I need to upgrade...badly...after two years my machine is slowing down...I have to turn features off in Halo to get it to run 30 fps! ARGH!

At least when I play AvP2 or Max Payne 2 I get perfectly fluid play with everything as far as she'll go...but she needs a 2.6 Ghz P4 HThreader overclocked to 3.2! Oh, and a Radeon 9800 XT...maybe...unless Nvidia gets much faster.

Maybe if prices go down for the 9800 Pro I'll start with that...the XT is basically just an overclock...and a pro could be found for much cheaper....

I dunno. Back to the point, I wish Intel would squirt out the Prescott, the 700 dollar FX-51 is kicking their 600 dollar 3.2 EE's ass...kinda.

Um, no dude it's not your computer.. Halo just sucks monkey balls for FPS. Yeah nice being able to play games with that can intinalize newer shaders and not in FFE...Frames per Eon.

The FX-51 isn't really kicking the EE's ass really, and for the money it's pretty steep..might as well get a true Opteron.

Necrosis · Oct 16, 2003, 04:18 AM

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Originally posted by kakarot
I'm very impressed with the A64 and its not even an FX!!! Try a VIA mobo man, I think you'll love your FX again

Okay..so there is 940 Pin Via chipsets???

dipstick · Oct 16, 2003, 04:33 AM

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Originally posted by Necrosis
Okay..so there is 940 Pin Via chipsets???

oops, keep forgeting about that

Necrosis · Oct 16, 2003, 05:05 AM

Damn..go and get me all excited..whoo hoo here I come FX!!!

Sharkims · Oct 16, 2003, 06:41 AM

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Originally posted by kakarot
I'm very impressed with the A64 and its not even an FX!!! Try a VIA mobo man, I think you'll love your FX again

Not likely, since the FX socket 940 boards are few and far between. The Asus-SK8N is currently the ONLY single socket 940 board out.
The SK8V'ia' board is not available anywhere yet.

Point of fact, FX-51, oc'ed with water cooling. Unstable at 210x10fsb Verus 200x11(stock) with vultage increase.

Sharkims · Oct 16, 2003, 06:44 AM

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Originally posted by Necrosis
Um, no dude it's not your computer.. Halo just sucks monkey balls for FPS. Yeah nice being able to play games with that can intinalize newer shaders and not in FFE...Frames per Eon.

The FX-51 isn't really kicking the EE's ass really, and for the money it's pretty steep..might as well get a true Opteron.

The FX-51 so far, isn't impressing me so much. It's not so overclockability and insane price, ick. To ebay it goes. I am just going to get a P4EE. Since that thing is a friggen beast in games.

Hyperthreading is also becomming almost a nessessary feature. AMD really needs to get in gear and make a HyperThreading of their own. Not force us all to 64bit instead. HT > 64bit in the long run.

MSX · Oct 16, 2003, 07:15 AM

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Originally posted by Sharkims
Are you saying you want the FX-51, seriously?

Well, yeah. For the right price of course. I suppose its up on E-bay already?

Sharkims · Oct 16, 2003, 07:20 AM

It will be very soon, unless you PM me a fair price, than we can talk.

dipstick · Oct 16, 2003, 01:31 PM

Sharkims you seem to be the only one to think so much of HT. I've never really used a P4, but the countless articles I've read on it can't be wrong, can they? I mean Windows itself is even slower with it enabled according to most of them

Don't get me wrong I think its a great thing to have, but I also think its useless today until the OS and some apps out there start taking advantage.

Zardon · Oct 16, 2003, 02:04 PM

I think it works well in some video editing and rendering apps, but generally at this moment in time its not doing a lot in everyday use.

Judas · Oct 16, 2003, 02:34 PM

neither is SSE2 is it?

Sharkims · Oct 16, 2003, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by kakarot
Sharkims you seem to be the only one to think so much of HT. I've never really used a P4, but the countless articles I've read on it can't be wrong, can they? I mean Windows itself is even slower with it enabled according to most of them Don't get me wrong I think its a great thing to have, but I also think its useless today until the OS and some apps out there start taking advantage.

You mean like, HL2 or Doom3? Aquamark or Photoshop? I will admit it's not fully into the 'loop' yet, but recently there have been a lot of companies working to include it into their every day applications. I could post a little article about how HT is usfull for me, I like to encode while playing games. I actualy can with HT. In every day real life activities, it does recude CPU load by about 50%

Oct 16, 2003, 09:59 PM

(drive by flame) INTEL SUCKS AMD RULES LONG LIVE THE A64!!! THE DAY AMD DIES I DIE!!!

mike2h · Oct 16, 2003, 10:13 PM

well hopefully amd never dies. the funny thing about the whole amd/intel hate thing is if amd somehow(never happen) replaced intel as the big gorilla on the block most people would be switching to "amd sucks, amd sucks.." within 2-3 years. we(people) are funny about the underdog. that is a good thing though.

@/2ct!< · Oct 16, 2003, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by Sharkims

Hyperthreading is also becomming almost a nessessary feature. AMD really needs to get in gear and make a HyperThreading of their own. Not force us all to 64bit instead. HT > 64bit in the long run.

Err, wrong, 32 HT will be long dead 64 is definately more future-ready. However, and theres ALWAYS a however, 64 bit HT is the true way to go. Gotta get em both together, they're both important!!!

Oct 15, 2003, 07:50 AM	#1
Sharkims Seen my brain? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA,USA Posts: 760 Rep Power: 0	AMD vs INTEL The time has come, I'm going to go back to my P4 3.0HT chip and hang this FX-51 on the wall. It's done nothing but cause me problems since the day I got it. Back to INTEL For my gaming rig, however this Athlon 64 3200+ is very stable and will remain in my server box untill XP 64bit comes out officialy. __________________ System-1: MSI K8N Neo Platinum \|\| A64 3200+(200x11) - Zalman 7000A-AlCu \|\| 1x1gb OCZ PC3200@400(3-3-3-7) \|\| 9800XT \|\| WD Raptors 2x36 RAID0 System-2: MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R \|\| P4 2.4c(FSB:200) - Intel Cooler \|\| 2x256 GEIL PC3200@400(2-3-3-6) \|\| AIW9000 \|\| WD SE 120x2 RAID0 System-3: DELL Inspiron 9100 \|\| P4 3.0c(mobile) \|\| 2x256mb PC3200(3-3-3-8) \|\| Mobility Radeon 9700 - 128mb \|\| WSXGA+ 15.4" \|\| 60gb 5400RPM 8mb

Oct 15, 2003, 07:58 AM	#2
mbeeston HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: alberta, canada (thats north of the usa people) Posts: 1,037 Rep Power: 68 System Specs	ALL HAIL THE P4... THE KING UNTILL WE NEED MORE THEN 4 GB OF MEMORY! __________________ R.I.P Roadee - you will be missed T_T peace,love, and war... 3 things people look for... "if your going off the deep end, show off, do a cannon ball!" - me

Oct 15, 2003, 08:03 AM	Thread Starter #3
Sharkims Seen my brain? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA,USA Posts: 760 Rep Power: 0	Hah, the ironic part is my Avatar. __________________ System-1: MSI K8N Neo Platinum \|\| A64 3200+(200x11) - Zalman 7000A-AlCu \|\| 1x1gb OCZ PC3200@400(3-3-3-7) \|\| 9800XT \|\| WD Raptors 2x36 RAID0 System-2: MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R \|\| P4 2.4c(FSB:200) - Intel Cooler \|\| 2x256 GEIL PC3200@400(2-3-3-6) \|\| AIW9000 \|\| WD SE 120x2 RAID0 System-3: DELL Inspiron 9100 \|\| P4 3.0c(mobile) \|\| 2x256mb PC3200(3-3-3-8) \|\| Mobility Radeon 9700 - 128mb \|\| WSXGA+ 15.4" \|\| 60gb 5400RPM 8mb

Oct 15, 2003, 08:22 AM	Thread Starter #5
Sharkims Seen my brain? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA,USA Posts: 760 Rep Power: 0	Actualy the big problem is: I have homework to do, I can't do it on 800x600 and I need it done tonight, so I haven't slept yet. __________________ System-1: MSI K8N Neo Platinum \|\| A64 3200+(200x11) - Zalman 7000A-AlCu \|\| 1x1gb OCZ PC3200@400(3-3-3-7) \|\| 9800XT \|\| WD Raptors 2x36 RAID0 System-2: MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R \|\| P4 2.4c(FSB:200) - Intel Cooler \|\| 2x256 GEIL PC3200@400(2-3-3-6) \|\| AIW9000 \|\| WD SE 120x2 RAID0 System-3: DELL Inspiron 9100 \|\| P4 3.0c(mobile) \|\| 2x256mb PC3200(3-3-3-8) \|\| Mobility Radeon 9700 - 128mb \|\| WSXGA+ 15.4" \|\| 60gb 5400RPM 8mb

Oct 15, 2003, 08:55 AM	#6
Markius DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,350 Rep Power: 0	P4 HT!!! hell yeah... ive had pentiums for every pc ive had EXCEPT my last rig wich was a 1800+..was good for gaming but i could barely use more than one program at a time..wid the cpu i have now i can do everything i want + shit i prolly dont even know about __________________ DriverHeavens Aussie... "Lifes tragedy is that we get old too soon and wise too late"

Oct 15, 2003, 08:06 AM	#4
kinetic DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester England Posts: 2,559 Rep Power: 0	Did we get out of the wrong side this morning? http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=28574

Oct 15, 2003, 09:41 AM	#7
Al_Vampyre HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,532 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	Waiting for Prescott!! __________________ "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad" - Brian O'Driscoll - Ireland Rugby Team 2009 Grand Slam winning Captain.

Oct 15, 2003, 07:10 PM	#9
MSX Burning the frozen... Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,201 Rep Power: 0	Hmm, you wanna sell it to me?

Oct 15, 2003, 08:26 PM	#11
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	probably a good choice for other reasons too.- we will see a LOT more software/games taking advantage of ht in the next couple of years than we will 64 bit. imo, we will see very little 64 bit software/ games for at least a year. & what does 64 bit windows get you? winxp is ht enabled & everything happens so fast now that any improvement is going to be miniscule at best. __________________

Oct 15, 2003, 09:23 PM	#12
nForcer Twice the fun! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,404 Rep Power: 0	For me, its all about Intel. I specificly chose the Xeon class for my new server reguardless of the price. Dual 3.06 HT enabled Pentium 4 Xeon CPU's will make a very nice file/web server and general encoding rig!

Oct 16, 2003, 04:04 AM	#13
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Ugh Intel... I don't really see any reason to hold onto the FX since you could probably get enough money from selling it to buy yourself a P4E next month.

Oct 16, 2003, 04:14 AM	#14
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	erterw I need to upgrade...badly...after two years my machine is slowing down...I have to turn features off in Halo to get it to run 30 fps! ARGH! At least when I play AvP2 or Max Payne 2 I get perfectly fluid play with everything as far as she'll go...but she needs a 2.6 Ghz P4 HThreader overclocked to 3.2! Oh, and a Radeon 9800 XT...maybe...unless Nvidia gets much faster. Maybe if prices go down for the 9800 Pro I'll start with that...the XT is basically just an overclock...and a pro could be found for much cheaper.... I dunno. Back to the point, I wish Intel would squirt out the Prescott, the 700 dollar FX-51 is kicking their 600 dollar 3.2 EE's ass...kinda.

Oct 16, 2003, 04:16 AM	#15
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	I'm very impressed with the A64 and its not even an FX!!! Try a VIA mobo man, I think you'll love your FX again

Oct 16, 2003, 05:05 AM	#19
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Damn..go and get me all excited..whoo hoo here I come FX!!!

Oct 16, 2003, 07:20 AM	Thread Starter #23
Sharkims Seen my brain? Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA,USA Posts: 760 Rep Power: 0	It will be very soon, unless you PM me a fair price, than we can talk. __________________ System-1: MSI K8N Neo Platinum \|\| A64 3200+(200x11) - Zalman 7000A-AlCu \|\| 1x1gb OCZ PC3200@400(3-3-3-7) \|\| 9800XT \|\| WD Raptors 2x36 RAID0 System-2: MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R \|\| P4 2.4c(FSB:200) - Intel Cooler \|\| 2x256 GEIL PC3200@400(2-3-3-6) \|\| AIW9000 \|\| WD SE 120x2 RAID0 System-3: DELL Inspiron 9100 \|\| P4 3.0c(mobile) \|\| 2x256mb PC3200(3-3-3-8) \|\| Mobility Radeon 9700 - 128mb \|\| WSXGA+ 15.4" \|\| 60gb 5400RPM 8mb

Oct 16, 2003, 01:31 PM	#24
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Sharkims you seem to be the only one to think so much of HT. I've never really used a P4, but the countless articles I've read on it can't be wrong, can they? I mean Windows itself is even slower with it enabled according to most of them Don't get me wrong I think its a great thing to have, but I also think its useless today until the OS and some apps out there start taking advantage.

Oct 16, 2003, 02:04 PM	#25
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	I think it works well in some video editing and rendering apps, but generally at this moment in time its not doing a lot in everyday use.

Oct 16, 2003, 09:59 PM	#28
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	(drive by flame) INTEL SUCKS AMD RULES LONG LIVE THE A64!!! THE DAY AMD DIES I DIE!!!

Oct 16, 2003, 10:13 PM	#29
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	well hopefully amd never dies. the funny thing about the whole amd/intel hate thing is if amd somehow(never happen) replaced intel as the big gorilla on the block most people would be switching to "amd sucks, amd sucks.." within 2-3 years. we(people) are funny about the underdog. that is a good thing though. __________________