ISTANBUL, Turkey — Five explosions rocked downtown Istanbul

BWX · Nov 20, 2003, 10:14 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103612,00.html

Pretty big attack-- Wow, what's up with Turkey getting nailed constantly now?
Looks like it was HSBC bank, London based.

Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the synagogue attacks but authorities were trying to authenticate that claim.

Those bastards just want to blow up the world.

**edit- now they are saying three explosions.

ToshiroOC · Nov 20, 2003, 10:38 AM

Turkey is being targeted I would guess because they are a Jew-friendly secular Muslim nation. Osama bin Laden himself expressed his hatred for Saudi Arabia and Turkey and other increasingly secularized and Westernized Muslim countries very early on during his campaign of terror.

Saint_K · Nov 20, 2003, 12:04 PM

I really have no good words for this kind of actions... Sometimes i just think its a metter of time before thos things will come here too... Every day we read in the news about growing hate between differant "races".. The white hate the black, the muslims hate the juw's and the black, the chinees hate on there turn the black, and the other way around... When is this madness going to stop? When do people finally going to respect eachothers lifestyle, and respect not everyone has the same dreams and idea's as they have?

Judas · Nov 20, 2003, 02:18 PM

because.... Religion makes them

BWX · Nov 20, 2003, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by Judas
because.... Religion makes them

Kind of a narrow minded view-

I mean Come on, Religion "Makes" them?

I guess I 'll go kill my boss and say "the devil made me do it"

Everyone has a conscience and their own free will. Religion in in general a good thing.

A bastardized version of a religion that says "go kill everyone that doesn't believe the way we do" is not an example of religion, it is however an example of a cult spiraling out of control.

Judas · Nov 20, 2003, 03:00 PM

i'm not narrow minded... i was just being very basic..... But it's a proven .... Religion is the #1 cause of war... doesn't matter what the sub reasons are.... i know that if a person was to follow the a religion trully, this wouldn't be... but no one can/seems to.... it's not humanly possible.... we strive for variations...differences... and religion can't seem to bend around that.... only the basics of it can..... that's why there are so many different religions within one general group..... in the end..... we get completely different religions based on one in the same..... It's not hard to beleive that one group of religions believe that we should destroy another because it's in direct offence to it....... think about it...... there are millions of people that would go crazy if they knew for a FACT that there IS living beings on other planets.... some religions absalutely will refuse to even listen to it, and some will even go as far as to destroy them..... THAT being just an example...

Saint_K · Nov 20, 2003, 05:12 PM

What i ment, is when do peopel who "believe" going to accept some one els may believe in something els then them....

Judas · Nov 21, 2003, 04:49 AM

i can't see that day ever coming.... it's not possible.....

ZzzombieBunny · Nov 21, 2003, 05:04 AM

Actually Buddhism makes sense, its the only religion in the world where its belivers actually accept and encourage others to keep to their own faith and encourage others to treat eachothers with compassion and respect. I mean you never see Dalai Lama being a prejudice prick and not like he doesnt have justified reasons to act like one... considering the chinese occupation of Tibet and Chinas attempts to wipe out religion and spiritualism.

Judas · Nov 21, 2003, 05:08 AM

nope....i think buddhism is the best thing out there..... if you WANT a religion...... to me.... i think it's useless.... or somewhat depressing to know that you must belieive or have religion to live correctly or to have morals...or whatever.....

ZzzombieBunny · Nov 21, 2003, 07:06 PM

I dont think you have to be a religous person to appreciate morals or values with religion or even have morals, values and live happily without ever heard of religion for that matter. The spiritual aspect of religion especially, is not something that is suited for everyone.

The faulty with most religions is that they all meddle to much with laws... its quite obvious, from a historical viewpoint, that religon has been a easy method to control the masses. Some religions have a hard time adopting to modern day democratic values due to some of the fundamentals of its belief system going against democratic values and human rights.

In that sense, its nice to have religons like Buddhism around, that doesnt judge people or try to convert them to its belief system and respect peoples free choice.

Saint_K · Nov 21, 2003, 07:49 PM

Buddhism, thos people are really the best ever! Make love, not war!

BWX · Nov 21, 2003, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Judas
i'm not narrow minded... i was just being very basic..... But it's a proven .... Religion is the #1 cause of war... doesn't matter what the sub reasons are.... i know that if a person was to follow the a religion trully, this wouldn't be... but no one can/seems to.... it's not humanly possible.... we strive for variations...differences... and religion can't seem to bend around that.... only the basics of it can..... that's why there are so many different religions within one general group..... in the end..... we get completely different religions based on one in the same..... It's not hard to beleive that one group of religions believe that we should destroy another because it's in direct offence to it....... think about it...... there are millions of people that would go crazy if they knew for a FACT that there IS living beings on other planets.... some religions absalutely will refuse to even listen to it, and some will even go as far as to destroy them..... THAT being just an example...

I don't think you are narrow minded, just the idea that religion makes those people kill people. If my religion told me to do that I would leave the religion, because I have my own free will. They must know it's wrong to kill a bunch of Innocent people, it's just common sense. War is different, because the army you are fighting against is armed and wants to kill you- so it's self defense, but bombing innocent civilians on purpose is just wrong.

Judas · Nov 22, 2003, 04:10 AM

........... but we are dealing with people that were taught from the day that they were born that WE are the ones in the wrong.... and they WE are imposing on there religious ways...... and that WE must be removed for them to servive....... I know alot of people that, even though common sence should be there.. they just can't seem to grasp it.... for instance.. the number of idiots out there that say "No man should ever hit a girl". Just a very vag and basic example.... but considering scale..... we talking on a similare playing field....

ToshiroOC · Nov 22, 2003, 07:10 AM

It's idiotic to not be violent to women? I won't get into religious debates like this, but I am curious about that particular statement.

Judas · Nov 23, 2003, 03:06 AM

at least i know for sure ToshiroOC agrees with me....

BWX · Nov 23, 2003, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Judas
....the number of idiots out there that say "No man should ever hit a girl".

I guess I'm an idiot.. I don't think men should hit women. I think (hope) you miss-typed something here?

mainman · Nov 23, 2003, 04:11 AM

WT.....

Judas · Nov 23, 2003, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BWX232
I guess I'm an idiot.. I don't think men should hit women. I think (hope) you miss-typed something here?

no offence.... but.... i think i might just consider you an idiot...

Now, i'll explain it a little more just to see if i know what you mean....

You will not hit a woman under any circumstance?

or would you if you were threatened (lifewise)

or would you playfully?

or would you if you got mad, the same as you would do if a man made you mad (hypethetically speaking)

Lets just say, would you hit a woman, the same as you would a man under the same circumstances...... What would it take to make you hit another guy? Would that same thing be enough to have you hit a woman.... or is it because "she is a woman" you wouldn't do it...

I'm not talking in cruelty, battery.... wife beater kind of thing....

Because really, if a woman... which has... kicked my in the

, i would.... AND HAVE... turned right around and kicked her in the same place she kicked me... which would be the

Is that wrong?.... to many people say it is...... i don't think so..... specially when i know it hurts her just as it does me... BUT she would have a better chance of depriving me of children... then i would have against her......

Some girl for some reason... thought it would be a good idea to punch me in the face..... now, why? i still haven't a clue... but i said to her "You do that again, i'll punch your lights out"

Her reply "But you can't hit people" And with that, hit me again..... lets just say, she had a good 10-15 minute bloody nose nap... and possibly a broken one at that.... along with some seriously badly bleedy lips..... (swollen)

Was that wrong?

mainman · Nov 23, 2003, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Judas
no offence.... but.... i think i might just consider you an idiot...

Now, i'll explain it a little more just to see if i know what you mean....

You will not hit a woman under any circumstance?

or would you if you were threatened (lifewise)

or would you playfully?

or would you if you got mad, the same as you would do if a man made you mad (hypethetically speaking)

Lets just say, would you hit a woman, the same as you would a man under the same circumstances...... What would it take to make you hit another guy? Would that same thing be enough to have you hit a woman.... or is it because "she is a woman" you wouldn't do it...

I'm not talking in cruelty, battery.... wife beater kind of thing....

Because really, if a woman... which has... kicked my in the , i would.... AND HAVE... turned right around and kicked her in the same place she kicked me... which would be the

Is that wrong?.... to many people say it is...... i don't think so..... specially when i know it hurts her just as it does me... BUT she would have a better chance of depriving me of children... then i would have against her......

Some girl for some reason... thought it would be a good idea to punch me in the face..... now, why? i still haven't a clue... but i said to her "You do that again, i'll punch your lights out"

Her reply "But you can't hit people" And with that, hit me again..... lets just say, she had a good 10-15 minute bloody nose nap... and possibly a broken one at that.... along with some seriously badly bleedy lips..... (swollen)

Was that wrong?

OMFG!!!!!

OMFG!!!!

digerati · Nov 23, 2003, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Judas
no offence.... but.... i think i might just consider you an idiot...

Now, i'll explain it a little more just to see if i know what you mean....

You will not hit a woman under any circumstance?

or would you if you were threatened (lifewise)

or would you playfully?

or would you if you got mad, the same as you would do if a man made you mad (hypethetically speaking)

Lets just say, would you hit a woman, the same as you would a man under the same circumstances...... What would it take to make you hit another guy? Would that same thing be enough to have you hit a woman.... or is it because "she is a woman" you wouldn't do it...

I'm not talking in cruelty, battery.... wife beater kind of thing....

Because really, if a woman... which has... kicked my in the , i would.... AND HAVE... turned right around and kicked her in the same place she kicked me... which would be the

Is that wrong?.... to many people say it is...... i don't think so..... specially when i know it hurts her just as it does me... BUT she would have a better chance of depriving me of children... then i would have against her......

Some girl for some reason... thought it would be a good idea to punch me in the face..... now, why? i still haven't a clue... but i said to her "You do that again, i'll punch your lights out"

Her reply "But you can't hit people" And with that, hit me again..... lets just say, she had a good 10-15 minute bloody nose nap... and possibly a broken one at that.... along with some seriously badly bleedy lips..... (swollen)

Was that wrong?

A woman has to deserve to be hit in my opinion. Since I see them as physically weaker (in most cases), they would have to do something really bad to warrant a punch from me. Like try and stab me or physically attack me in hopes of permanently harming me.

mainman · Nov 23, 2003, 07:22 AM

Well for years they are claiming = rights and threatment "spelling sorry" so when a man treats them in the same maner we threat anouther man they complain.

Judas · Nov 23, 2003, 02:50 PM

...... mainman... you hit the nail on that one..... i find it complete and utter equality..... i know alot of girls that are physically stronger then the majority of guys..... of course...not if they are "the ditzes" or some of the "eat rights", i won't say none are... i just know the majority that are like that..... arn't... and won't be physically strong becuase of the way they take care of themselves...

ToshiroOC · Nov 23, 2003, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Judas
at least i know for sure ToshiroOC agrees with me....

Not really. Call me old fashioned, but I don't believe a woman should ever be hit except in defense of others, maybe in defense of yourself if you cannot walk away from the situation. And was there really call to punch that girl out? I would have just walked away after the first punch, or at the very least blocked the second one.

Judas · Nov 24, 2003, 12:11 AM

... i'm one not to get into fights.... i'm usually the one that will take a beating and just walk away.... i can't bring myself to fight....... but..... there is the odd occations that something HAD to be done.... walking away didn't work..... trust me.... i'm not violent.. .but if i am.... i'm not to be even tested...... I've probably smoked about 3 girls in my life... and about the same for guys... (maybe 5)...... I just get annoyed seeing all these guys saying that they could never hit a girl... and what do i see? Girls taking advantage of this.....just drives me nutz....

BWX · Nov 24, 2003, 03:26 AM

I might restrain a girl if she went out of control, put her in a head lock or something, but no, I don't think men should be punching women, even if they are out of control or hit you first. You can always walk away, if you have to hit them for pride or something, that's just wrong.

If I were surrounded by a bunch of nasty gang bee- oches in some back alley of a big city, and they wanted to take me out, I would probably do whatever to defend myself, but I'm intelligent enough to avoid those kinds of situations.

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ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	It's idiotic to not be violent to women? I won't get into religious debates like this, but I am curious about that particular statement. __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

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BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	I might restrain a girl if she went out of control, put her in a head lock or something, but no, I don't think men should be punching women, even if they are out of control or hit you first. You can always walk away, if you have to hit them for pride or something, that's just wrong. If I were surrounded by a bunch of nasty gang bee- oches in some back alley of a big city, and they wanted to take me out, I would probably do whatever to defend myself, but I'm intelligent enough to avoid those kinds of situations. __________________

Nov 20, 2003, 10:14 AM	#1
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	ISTANBUL, Turkey — Five explosions rocked downtown Istanbul http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103612,00.html Pretty big attack-- Wow, what's up with Turkey getting nailed constantly now? Looks like it was HSBC bank, London based. Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the synagogue attacks but authorities were trying to authenticate that claim. Those bastards just want to blow up the world. **edit- now they are saying three explosions. __________________

Nov 20, 2003, 12:04 PM	#3
Saint_K InSaNe Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Den haag, netherlands Posts: 836 Rep Power: 0	I really have no good words for this kind of actions... Sometimes i just think its a metter of time before thos things will come here too... Every day we read in the news about growing hate between differant "races".. The white hate the black, the muslims hate the juw's and the black, the chinees hate on there turn the black, and the other way around... When is this madness going to stop? When do people finally going to respect eachothers lifestyle, and respect not everyone has the same dreams and idea's as they have?

Nov 20, 2003, 05:12 PM	#7
Saint_K InSaNe Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Den haag, netherlands Posts: 836 Rep Power: 0	What i ment, is when do peopel who "believe" going to accept some one els may believe in something els then them....

Nov 21, 2003, 05:04 AM	#9
ZzzombieBunny Cake or Death? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 259 Rep Power: 0	Actually Buddhism makes sense, its the only religion in the world where its belivers actually accept and encourage others to keep to their own faith and encourage others to treat eachothers with compassion and respect. I mean you never see Dalai Lama being a prejudice prick and not like he doesnt have justified reasons to act like one... considering the chinese occupation of Tibet and Chinas attempts to wipe out religion and spiritualism.

Nov 21, 2003, 07:06 PM	#11
ZzzombieBunny Cake or Death? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 259 Rep Power: 0	I dont think you have to be a religous person to appreciate morals or values with religion or even have morals, values and live happily without ever heard of religion for that matter. The spiritual aspect of religion especially, is not something that is suited for everyone. The faulty with most religions is that they all meddle to much with laws... its quite obvious, from a historical viewpoint, that religon has been a easy method to control the masses. Some religions have a hard time adopting to modern day democratic values due to some of the fundamentals of its belief system going against democratic values and human rights. In that sense, its nice to have religons like Buddhism around, that doesnt judge people or try to convert them to its belief system and respect peoples free choice.

Nov 21, 2003, 07:49 PM	#12
Saint_K InSaNe Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Den haag, netherlands Posts: 836 Rep Power: 0	Buddhism, thos people are really the best ever! Make love, not war!