Glowing Fishy's! First GM pet

Trunks0 · Nov 23, 2003, 05:36 PM

Thats GeneticlyModifed not GeneralMotors

Anyway you soon will be able to buy fish that glow red under ultraviolet light

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UberLord · Nov 23, 2003, 05:42 PM

Thats pure evil .....

**MIG-31** · Nov 23, 2003, 05:50 PM

i think we should stear clear from gm pets.

its

Judas · Nov 23, 2003, 06:16 PM

....why?

**MIG-31** · Nov 23, 2003, 06:31 PM

just don't agree with modifying natural life.

Vengeance · Nov 23, 2003, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by UberLord
Thats pure evil .....

Yeah, You gotta wonder if glowing hurts?

***Veridian3*** · Nov 23, 2003, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by Vengeance
Yeah, You gotta wonder if glowing hurts?

Good/interesting point.

DallasStar · Nov 23, 2003, 07:19 PM

I'm all for it. No, this doesn't hurt. Otherwise, jellyfish would not be able to live without pain.... but then again, jellyfish do have a microscopic brain

... but anyway, there are no pain hormones/chemicals/etc released as a result of ultraviolet radiation, so there's no way that it could hurt the fish. The glowing, you could say, has become their natural self.

Logla · Nov 23, 2003, 07:38 PM

If it hurt, the scientists would spot this and would then not produce the fish. In any case, the gene for glowing probably already exists in the fish they are to modify, its just a case of switching that particular gene 'on'

tastyweat · Nov 23, 2003, 07:39 PM

I think all this thing about tampering with god's work is pathetic - if we were not meant to do it - then why would he let us? (I'm atheist btw)

Vengeance · Nov 23, 2003, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by tastyweat
I think all this thing about tampering with god's work is pathetic - if we were not meant to do it - then why would he let us? (I'm atheist btw)

Well I'm not really an atheist, I'm stuck in that middle area where I'm not sure what to believe.
But I do agree with you about the tampering with gods work argument.
Just think one day they may find out what cause's cancer, or retardation or any number of things.
And they can get rid of it before the baby is born. I'm all for stuff like that.
But what I am against is making a fish glow to sell in pet shops

There not doing it to help any one but there self's.
There changing an creatures natural state for monetary cain, and to me that is wrong.

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Originally posted by Logla
If it hurt, the scientists would spot this and would then not produce the fish. In any case, the gene for glowing probably already exists in the fish they are to modify, its just a case of switching that particular gene 'on'

Since when has a scientist ever cared about the way one of there test subjects feel?
You may be right about how they did it, And it might not hurt them at all. I don't know.....
But that just it, how would anyone know if they hurt or not?
But I'd bet you my last dollar that the scientists could care less one way or the other.

Logla · Nov 23, 2003, 09:14 PM

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Since when has a scientist ever cared about the way one of there test subjects feel?
You may be right about how they did it, And it might not hurt them at all. I don't know.....
But that just it, how would anyone know if they hurt or not?
But I'd bet you my last dollar that the scientists could care less one way or the other. [/B]

I totally agree about what you say about the scientists actually caring, but most of the people who govern those scientists would say it was unethical and therefore make it illegal, although this would take a few years to happen after the glowing fish were actually released. I would imagine that my government would agree this would be unethical but I can't say that other governments would as well.

at the end of the day, if someone decides they can make money out of this then they will, regardless of their ethical stance.

ToshiroOC · Nov 23, 2003, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by Vengeance
Yeah, You gotta wonder if glowing hurts?

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Originally posted by Logla
If it hurt, the scientists would spot this and would then not produce the fish. In any case, the gene for glowing probably already exists in the fish they are to modify, its just a case of switching that particular gene 'on'

They took the gene out of jellyfish, and the way they put it into the fish is they splice it into a strand of fish DNA, then put the fish DNA into an empty egg and let it develop. What happens later in life is the new gene in the DNA gets interpreted as any other gene on the DNA, and gets read and converted into a protein, one that in this case glows under ultraviolet light. It would not hurt the fish, except perhaps if someone shone a very intense UV light on the fish, because then the fish would be absorbing more light and heat up a very little bit faster (being in a big tank of cooling water would keep it from being a drastic change).

Also, I disagree very strongly with every one of you who says that scientists don't care about the subject! Ethics is front and foremost on the minds of all legitimate scientists doing genetics work. What makes you guys think that scientists don't care?

~~craig588~~ · Nov 23, 2003, 10:30 PM

I think I'm gonna get one and figure out how to keep a (small) fishtank in my computer, I already have UV lights glowing in there.

krazy1 · Nov 24, 2003, 03:49 PM

Well if these are fresh water fish I may have to add a few to my tank at home.... hehehe

DallasStar · Nov 24, 2003, 05:20 PM

Zebra fish poop too much. I wouldn't want it. I used to have some. Those fish really know how to destroy a clean tank.

kinetic · Nov 24, 2003, 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by DallasStar
Zebra fish poop too much. I wouldn't want it. I used to have some. Those fish really know how to destroy a clean tank.

Maybe their shit will glow as well!

Logla · Nov 24, 2003, 09:43 PM

What I would really like to see are bio-luminesant fish - the ones that actually make their own light. The don't need a lightsource of any kind cos the light actually comes from them. Like the wierd creatures that live in the deep oceans where there is no light.

Now that would look cool in a tank.

kinetic · Nov 24, 2003, 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by Logla
What I would really like to see are bio-luminesant fish - the ones that actually make their own light. The don't need a lightsource of any kind cos the light actually comes from them. Like the wierd creatures that live in the deep oceans where there is no light.

Now that would look cool in a tank.

For a really cool light-show look no further than the Cuttlefish!

Logla · Nov 24, 2003, 10:52 PM

Exactly what I was thinking of. Couldn't remember what they were called but know what they look like.

I spent an entire summer about 5-6 years ago absolutley blown away by these creatures - the way the light and colours appear to ripple across them.

ToshiroOC · Nov 24, 2003, 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by Logla
What I would really like to see are bio-luminesant fish - the ones that actually make their own light. The don't need a lightsource of any kind cos the light actually comes from them. Like the wierd creatures that live in the deep oceans where there is no light.

Now that would look cool in a tank.

They would be really really dim. Trust me, I've seen it done (not fish, but grass gm-ed to glow without UV), and since it takes up energy to maintain the glow, it ends up constantly using up some of the plant's energy, and then not glowing much. I would assume the same would happen with fish. The ones from the deep ocean are where there is NO light, so they don't need to make much light, and in a lit tank you probably couldn't see the glow.

EDIT: Note, this is only from my experience with ONE kind of deep-sea fish and some grass

Markius · Nov 25, 2003, 12:45 AM

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Originally posted by Vengeance
Well I'm not really an atheist, I'm stuck in that middle area where I'm not sure what to believe.
But I do agree with you about the tampering with gods work argument.
Just think one day they may find out what cause's cancer, or retardation or any number of things.
And they can get rid of it before the baby is born. I'm all for stuff like that.
But what I am against is making a fish glow to sell in pet shops
There not doing it to help any one but there self's.
There changing an creatures natural state for monetary cain, and to me that is wrong.

they didnt make them to sell in pet shops they made them to locate toxins in water.....the "selling as pets concept" wasnt the original idea

@/2ct!< · Nov 25, 2003, 06:04 AM

All I can say is $5 is damn cheap for a glow in the dark fish, methinks of adding it into a watercooling resevoir and PC with UV CC, now THAT would be evil.

Nov 23, 2003, 05:36 PM	#1
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Nov 23, 2003, 05:42 PM	#2
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Nov 23, 2003, 07:19 PM	#8
DallasStar Junior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wave Existence Posts: 2,065 Rep Power: 0	I'm all for it. No, this doesn't hurt. Otherwise, jellyfish would not be able to live without pain.... but then again, jellyfish do have a microscopic brain ... but anyway, there are no pain hormones/chemicals/etc released as a result of ultraviolet radiation, so there's no way that it could hurt the fish. The glowing, you could say, has become their natural self. __________________ "A picture of my existence... would show a useless wooden stake covered in snow... stuck loosely at a slant in the ground in a ploughed field on the edge of a vast open plain on a dark winter night." --- Franz Kafka

Nov 23, 2003, 07:38 PM	#9
Logla HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311 Rep Power: 0	If it hurt, the scientists would spot this and would then not produce the fish. In any case, the gene for glowing probably already exists in the fish they are to modify, its just a case of switching that particular gene 'on'

Nov 23, 2003, 07:39 PM	#10
tastyweat Lurking Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The void Posts: 4,794 Rep Power: 75 System Specs	I think all this thing about tampering with god's work is pathetic - if we were not meant to do it - then why would he let us? (I'm atheist btw) __________________

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~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	I think I'm gonna get one and figure out how to keep a (small) fishtank in my computer, I already have UV lights glowing in there.

Nov 24, 2003, 03:49 PM	#15
krazy1 Live from the Dungeon Join Date: May 2003 Location: Between the SubWoofers Posts: 1,395 Rep Power: 0	Well if these are fresh water fish I may have to add a few to my tank at home.... hehehe __________________

Nov 24, 2003, 05:20 PM	#16
DallasStar Junior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wave Existence Posts: 2,065 Rep Power: 0	Zebra fish poop too much. I wouldn't want it. I used to have some. Those fish really know how to destroy a clean tank. __________________ "A picture of my existence... would show a useless wooden stake covered in snow... stuck loosely at a slant in the ground in a ploughed field on the edge of a vast open plain on a dark winter night." --- Franz Kafka

Nov 24, 2003, 09:43 PM	#18
Logla HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311 Rep Power: 0	What I would really like to see are bio-luminesant fish - the ones that actually make their own light. The don't need a lightsource of any kind cos the light actually comes from them. Like the wierd creatures that live in the deep oceans where there is no light. Now that would look cool in a tank.

Nov 24, 2003, 10:52 PM	#20
Logla HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311 Rep Power: 0	Exactly what I was thinking of. Couldn't remember what they were called but know what they look like. I spent an entire summer about 5-6 years ago absolutley blown away by these creatures - the way the light and colours appear to ripple across them.

Nov 25, 2003, 06:04 AM	#23
@/2ct!< HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Not Vegas, anymore :( Posts: 1,391 Rep Power: 0	All I can say is $5 is damn cheap for a glow in the dark fish, methinks of adding it into a watercooling resevoir and PC with UV CC, now THAT would be evil. __________________