German cannibal confesses all

**MIG-31** · Dec 3, 2003, 08:51 PM

KASSEL, Germany (Reuters) - A German has confessed to killing and eating a willing victim in a case that could make legal history, telling a shocked courtroom the experience was "like taking communion" in a religious service.

At the start of his murder trial in Kassel, central Germany on Wednesday, Armin Meiwes, 42, offered a full account of the killing that has gained him worldwide notoriety as "The Cannibal of Rotenburg" after the town where he lived.

Meiwes said there were "hundreds, thousands" of people seeking to fulfil their desires to eat humans or be eaten via Internet advertisements in forums called "Cannibal Cafe", "Guy Cannibals" and "Torturenet".

In testimony so frank it drew gasps from the public gallery, Meiwes said he had kept his victim's skull and plastic bags of flesh in his freezer. He ate about 20 kg (44 lb) of the flesh, defrosting it bit by bit.

"With every piece of flesh I ate I remembered him," Meiwes, a self-assured and well-spoken computer repair man, told the judge. "It was like taking communion."

The killing took place in March 2001. Meiwes was arrested in December 2002 after police received a tip-off from someone who had seen one of his Internet adverts seeking a slaughter victim.

The trial is expected to last until the end of January and some 40 witnesses will be called, including some of Meiwes's Internet contacts.

The gaunt, bespectacled defendant said that during his upbringing alone with a dominant mother he had longed for a little brother he could make "part of me".

He told how he made contact online with a 43-year-old Berlin computer specialist identified only as Bernd-Juergen B.

He invited him to his elegant half-timbered home near Kassel and killed him with a kitchen knife in a "slaughtering room" he had built containing meat hooks, a cage and a butcher's table.

"He told me he had had the desire since he was a child to be slaughtered and eaten," Meiwes said. "He was very intelligent and I didn't see any sign that he was disturbed." Meiwes filmed the killing and the video tape may be shown to the court.

Defence lawyers have said the film shows Meiwes cutting off the victim's penis at the latter's request.

"It was important to him that his member be cut off and that he witness it," Meiwes said.

"He screamed terribly and jumped around the table but after a while he said he was surprised it didn't hurt and was very pleased that the wound bled so strongly," he added.

"It gave him pleasure."

MURDER OR EUTHANASIA?

Eventually the victim lost consciousness and Meiwes killed him with a knife. He hung up the corpse and cut it up, filming the process.

Prosecutors, who charged Meiwes with murder after a psychiatrist declared him fit to stand trial, are seeking a life sentence.

They concede the victim wanted to be killed but argue he was incapable of rational thought.

Meiwes's lawyer has pleaded for him to be convicted of "killing on request", a form of illegal euthanasia which carries a maximum five years sentence.

Legal experts say the charge of full murder may not stick given that the video film shows the victim to be willing. The case could reach the Federal Constitutional Court, Arthur Kreuzer of Giessen University's Institute for Criminology said this week.

Meiwes said he became obsessed with wanting a younger brother -- "someone to be part of me".

Using the pseudonym "Franky", he posted Internet ads saying: "If you are 18-25 you are my boy" or "Come to me I'll eat your delicious flesh".

Some 430 people responded to his e-mails within a year.

actual news article

kinetic · Dec 3, 2003, 08:54 PM

I feel quite ill!

Dec 3, 2003, 11:11 PM

i do too... that guy ISNT a sane person... i don't care what anyone says... thats just disgusting...

shortstuff · Dec 3, 2003, 11:27 PM

I didn't even finish reading the whole story. That is really sick.

Judas · Dec 4, 2003, 12:05 AM

....hard to say.. it's amazing someone will give themselves up..... but really, i think i could eat human meat..... i wouldn't know... haven't had any....

ToshiroOC · Dec 4, 2003, 12:52 AM

I can't say I really mind this sort of thing. If these sickos want to kill each other, let them, I say. So long as no-one is killed unwillingly or killed while cognitively incapable of giving permission, why not?

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 4, 2003, 01:35 AM

thats gross and dusturbing

Judas · Dec 4, 2003, 01:51 AM

i'm totally with toshiro..... i just don't know what human meat would taste like.... "they say the hearts good"

mainman · Dec 4, 2003, 02:13 AM

WTF???? Is everyone gone Mad??? What the Hell....

Maiky · Dec 4, 2003, 03:00 AM

I watched it in a very famous tv program here in Spain. They also say, both ate the member before to be cocked. Its disgusting.

Markius · Dec 4, 2003, 03:11 AM

storys like that just remind you of all the sick freaks on this planet....

JavaFox · Dec 4, 2003, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ToshiroOC
I can't say I really mind this sort of thing. If these sickos want to kill each other, let them, I say. So long as no-one is killed unwillingly or killed while cognitively incapable of giving permission, why not?

I agree on some level, but it's very debatable whether or not someone who wants to be "slaughtered and eating" is in any sort of mental state in which they could legally give permission.

**MIG-31** · Dec 4, 2003, 07:19 AM

have now read this article twice.nope!!!! is one very sick and disturbed person. can not bring myself to think of what it is like to even contemplate trying.

ToshiroOC · Dec 4, 2003, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JavaFox
I agree on some level, but it's very debatable whether or not someone who wants to be "slaughtered and eating" is in any sort of mental state in which they could legally give permission.

Quite subjective, isn't it? Of course, I don't presume to be able to make that judgement, I only put forward a nice broad statement

***craig5320*** · Dec 4, 2003, 12:18 PM

I burnt my finger on a fire and it smelt of bacon for days. I think we're porky. On a more serious note I saw this article on the news, and was shocked, and even more shocked when they said the victim was pleading to be killed. He took advantage of someone in a state where they couldn't as the judge said 'give permission'. This world can be really disturbing. I'm sure it said on the news that Cannibalism isn't illegal in Germany? WTF is that about.

ToshiroOC · Dec 4, 2003, 03:12 PM

Perhaps they never saw it necessary to explicitly ban it?

ExitiosuS · Dec 4, 2003, 03:58 PM

I think it's better that they go around killing/eating themselves then coming after those in the right mental condition and killing the wrong people. :P
Hell, if you're in a mental state where you want to be killed/eaten, it's either an institute or you'll end up hanging yourself. I guess this seems to be a more glorified/respected way to die in their eyes. And ya... as long as he doesn't come after me with his butcher knife, he can keep eating people that are willing... whatever works, I guess. :P
Darwin's Theory applies here.

Lol

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 4, 2003, 05:03 PM

i show this to the_penguin and she had a hard time sleeping last night after reading that

Dec 3, 2003, 08:51 PM	#1
MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,850 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	German cannibal confesses all KASSEL, Germany (Reuters) - A German has confessed to killing and eating a willing victim in a case that could make legal history, telling a shocked courtroom the experience was "like taking communion" in a religious service. At the start of his murder trial in Kassel, central Germany on Wednesday, Armin Meiwes, 42, offered a full account of the killing that has gained him worldwide notoriety as "The Cannibal of Rotenburg" after the town where he lived. Meiwes said there were "hundreds, thousands" of people seeking to fulfil their desires to eat humans or be eaten via Internet advertisements in forums called "Cannibal Cafe", "Guy Cannibals" and "Torturenet". In testimony so frank it drew gasps from the public gallery, Meiwes said he had kept his victim's skull and plastic bags of flesh in his freezer. He ate about 20 kg (44 lb) of the flesh, defrosting it bit by bit. "With every piece of flesh I ate I remembered him," Meiwes, a self-assured and well-spoken computer repair man, told the judge. "It was like taking communion." The killing took place in March 2001. Meiwes was arrested in December 2002 after police received a tip-off from someone who had seen one of his Internet adverts seeking a slaughter victim. The trial is expected to last until the end of January and some 40 witnesses will be called, including some of Meiwes's Internet contacts. The gaunt, bespectacled defendant said that during his upbringing alone with a dominant mother he had longed for a little brother he could make "part of me". He told how he made contact online with a 43-year-old Berlin computer specialist identified only as Bernd-Juergen B. He invited him to his elegant half-timbered home near Kassel and killed him with a kitchen knife in a "slaughtering room" he had built containing meat hooks, a cage and a butcher's table. "He told me he had had the desire since he was a child to be slaughtered and eaten," Meiwes said. "He was very intelligent and I didn't see any sign that he was disturbed." Meiwes filmed the killing and the video tape may be shown to the court. Defence lawyers have said the film shows Meiwes cutting off the victim's penis at the latter's request. "It was important to him that his member be cut off and that he witness it," Meiwes said. "He screamed terribly and jumped around the table but after a while he said he was surprised it didn't hurt and was very pleased that the wound bled so strongly," he added. "It gave him pleasure." MURDER OR EUTHANASIA? Eventually the victim lost consciousness and Meiwes killed him with a knife. He hung up the corpse and cut it up, filming the process. Prosecutors, who charged Meiwes with murder after a psychiatrist declared him fit to stand trial, are seeking a life sentence. They concede the victim wanted to be killed but argue he was incapable of rational thought. Meiwes's lawyer has pleaded for him to be convicted of "killing on request", a form of illegal euthanasia which carries a maximum five years sentence. Legal experts say the charge of full murder may not stick given that the video film shows the victim to be willing. The case could reach the Federal Constitutional Court, Arthur Kreuzer of Giessen University's Institute for Criminology said this week. Meiwes said he became obsessed with wanting a younger brother -- "someone to be part of me". Using the pseudonym "Franky", he posted Internet ads saying: "If you are 18-25 you are my boy" or "Come to me I'll eat your delicious flesh". Some 430 people responded to his e-mails within a year. actual news article __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

Dec 4, 2003, 12:52 AM	#6
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	I can't say I really mind this sort of thing. If these sickos want to kill each other, let them, I say. So long as no-one is killed unwillingly or killed while cognitively incapable of giving permission, why not? __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

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The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	thats gross and dusturbing __________________

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Maiky REDRUM "237" Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alicante (Spain) Posts: 550 Rep Power: 0	I watched it in a very famous tv program here in Spain. They also say, both ate the member before to be cocked. Its disgusting. __________________ All Work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. JACK TORRANCE

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kinetic DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester England Posts: 2,559 Rep Power: 0	I feel quite ill!

Dec 3, 2003, 11:11 PM	#3
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	i do too... that guy ISNT a sane person... i don't care what anyone says... thats just disgusting...

Dec 3, 2003, 11:27 PM	#4
shortstuff Sweetness Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,835 Rep Power: 0	I didn't even finish reading the whole story. That is really sick.

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Markius DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,350 Rep Power: 0	storys like that just remind you of all the sick freaks on this planet.... __________________ DriverHeavens Aussie... "Lifes tragedy is that we get old too soon and wise too late"

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MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,850 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	have now read this article twice.nope!!!! is one very sick and disturbed person. can not bring myself to think of what it is like to even contemplate trying. __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

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*craig5320* HH Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 8,573 Rep Power: 445 System Specs	I burnt my finger on a fire and it smelt of bacon for days. I think we're porky. On a more serious note I saw this article on the news, and was shocked, and even more shocked when they said the victim was pleading to be killed. He took advantage of someone in a state where they couldn't as the judge said 'give permission'. This world can be really disturbing. I'm sure it said on the news that Cannibalism isn't illegal in Germany? WTF is that about. __________________ HardwareHeaven on Facebook

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Dec 4, 2003, 03:58 PM	#17
ExitiosuS Simian Masterpiece! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, Ont. Canada Posts: 358 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I think it's better that they go around killing/eating themselves then coming after those in the right mental condition and killing the wrong people. :P Hell, if you're in a mental state where you want to be killed/eaten, it's either an institute or you'll end up hanging yourself. I guess this seems to be a more glorified/respected way to die in their eyes. And ya... as long as he doesn't come after me with his butcher knife, he can keep eating people that are willing... whatever works, I guess. :P Darwin's Theory applies here. Lol

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