[Mac Daddy]

This is a bit off topic, but sure there are members of DH who have knowledge on this subject.
I'm into studio quality recording, and we have some tunes almost ready for airplay.

Were looking to obtain info on copyrighting, and protecting our music so it can be aired commercially. Were looking to protect it

I have a bud in Washington state who runs a couple of Instructional Guitar sites, but he wasn't sure how American policys relate to my situation in Canada.

Have friend works at a local radio station, she's sending me some info as well

Like I said this if off topic, but any input would be greatly welcomed

Thanks Mac D.

[Shaith]

Try the RIAA - that's their whole purpose for being

[UberLord]

Originally posted by shaith
Try the RIAA - that's their whole purpose for being

Really?

One band had an album that sold over a million copies - but somehow they still owed the RIAA $14,000.

RIAA screws everyone with their outdated business model.

MacDaddy, the question I would ask is how do you want to protect it? Sounds like you want to look into Digital Rights Management to me.

[Mac Daddy]

Originally posted by UberLord
Really?

One band had an album that sold over a million copies - but somehow they still owed the RIAA $14,000.

RIAA screws everyone with their outdated business model.

MacDaddy, the question I would ask is how do you want to protect it? Sounds like you want to look into Digital Rights Management to me.

Thanks to you an Shaith for your replies.
I have mixed feelings on RIAA as well, but I'll check it out

Digital Rights Management sounds interesting, since it it the digital master we wish to protect
If you have any ideas where I can follow up on that let me know

We quite simply want to be able to hand a Radio Station or Record Label a demo CD
and not hear a slightly different ver on the damn radio 6 months later


Thanks again

[UberLord]

Originally posted by Mac Daddy
We quite simply want to be able to hand a Radio Station or Record Label a demo CD
and not hear a slightly different ver on the damn radio 6 months later

You've got one option really - and thats sue the hell out of them for breach of copyright.

Basically, any sound that comes out of my computer or radio I can store. Sound I can store is sound I can play with, re-mix, etc. DRM basically attempts to stop all of that, but the technology isn't available yet.

But thats not going to stop me - I can use other means.

I think you need to research copyright laws and consult a lawyer on what action you can take when you find someone breaches your copyright.

[Mac Daddy]

Originally posted by UberLord
You've got one option really - and thats sue the hell out of them for breach of copyright.

I think you need to research copyright laws and consult a lawyer on what action you can take when you find someone breaches your copyright.

Wise words, and I am. Thanks
Started this thread to expand my knowledge of these issues, and look for more sources of information, And now I have some other ideas to check out.

And some which are independent of DH, as well.

Im leaving this thread open, didn,t expect any replies, or Junior Member thing.
I guess senior membership likes people who speak there mind

Anyone who has any experience or ideas concerning these organizations, don't hesitate to reply, this is an off topic thread, any input is very welcome

UberLord,
Thanks again bud, some food for thought

[JavaFox]

In America and the UK, your work is protected by copyright law when you convert it from a thought into a tangible medium. If I write a short story, it is copyrighted. If I make a song, it is copyrighted. If I write a program, it is copyrighted. This type of protection is automatic. All you have to be able to do is prove something originated from you (less serious types take their work, mail it to themselves, and keep the postmark as proof of the day it was created).

So, the cheap and easy way to protect your work is -- do nothing! The United States and the United Kingdom (I'm sure other countries are the same, but I know this is true for those two countries) provide automagic protection. You just need to be able to prove your ownership and litigate to enforce the law.

[Sourcer_2002]

yes java is guite correct i just mail a burned cd with the songs on it to your self and keep it as proof of that. If your in the UK or US

[Kelsenellenelvian]

As long as you have a sealed envelope with the date on it ie.. the post office stamp or better yet even send it certified mail it is considered a poor man's copyright!!!!

[Mac Daddy]

Originally posted by JavaFox
In America and the UK, your work is protected by copyright law when you convert it from a thought into a tangible medium. If I write a short story, it is copyrighted. If I make a song, it is copyrighted. If I write a program, it is copyrighted. This type of protection is automatic. All you have to be able to do is prove something originated from you (less serious types take their work, mail it to themselves, and keep the postmark as proof of the day it was created).

So, the cheap and easy way to protect your work is -- do nothing! The United States and the United Kingdom (I'm sure other countries are the same, but I know this is true for those two countries) provide automagic protection. You just need to be able to prove your ownership and litigate to enforce the law.

That's a great idea, wont be mailing myself
But my bud in Washington may have had a point, prove date of creation

and as UberLORD said fight that copyright, kewl

Thanks guys, Im sure some wont be as happy with my posts on SP1 activation changes

Greenday, or whatever his name is needs to get some action or a life ????

Oh well, I speak my mind
For those that cant handle it, BE HAPPY

Hey, keep these posts coming, all are welcome

Your helping out, very much
Thanks Mac D

[JavaFox]

Originally posted by Kelsenellenelvian
As long as you have a sealed envelope with the date on it ie.. the post office stamp or better yet even send it certified mail it is considered a poor man's copyright!!!!

Not entirely. Most people don't realize that copyrights don't cost money. You copyright your work simply by producing it. It's enforcing and proving ownership that costs money. And, yes, mailing the works to yourself is the poor man's way of proving ownership.

[Mac Daddy]

Originally posted by JavaFox
Not entirely. Most people don't realize that copyrights don't cost money. You copyright your work simply by producing it. It's enforcing and proving ownership that costs money. And, yes, mailing the works to yourself is the poor man's way of proving ownership.

I agree, thanks for second response on that.

I think you miss understood my last comment on this
If I was to use this scenario, I'd UPS it, with protection
to my bud in Washington State with protection, bout 40 bucks

It has to go through US Customs, and I'm sure they'll open and inspect it
Thanks guys another record, a manifest, or some record of that event,
Then have my bud send it back, resealed in a new package
Customs Agents should have a way of recognizing there sealing
if not, your doomed

If they do again another record somewhere
When I get my original home, it'll have a story to tell, as will customs

Just Brainstorming, HEH
if I have to follow Uberlords advise, SEW SEW SEW
Better have something to fall back on

Thanks, all posts are welcome

Mac D.

[reno]

Make a copy of your CD, place it in a package, send it to yourself by the US Postal service. Do not open it.

The date and time stamp on the package, and the un-opened status of the package are enough to hold up in court in any American state.

But in Canada...I dunno.

[Mac Daddy]

Originally posted by reno
Make a copy of your CD, place it in a package, send it to yourself by the US Postal service. Do not open it.

The date and time stamp on the package, and the un-opened status of the package are enough to hold up in court in any American state.

But in Canada...I dunno.

Thanks, and that is my concern.
American Laws have always had more rights for individuals than Canadian, always will.

That was the reason for my shipping stateside idea, but again if package is opened, this ruins the integraty I guess,hmm.

This project does reside at two address's, one of course is the studio
could send it there using a Studio/Business name as opposed to an individuals name.

Anyway still checking into legal info on my end,thanks again

[Mac Daddy]

Originally posted by reno
Make a copy of your CD, place it in a package, send it to yourself by the US Postal service. Do not open it.

The date and time stamp on the package, and the un-opened status of the package are enough to hold up in court in any American state.

But in Canada...I dunno.

Met a new friend at work on Friday, he is currently running a studio near Brantford Ont
He suggested the mail yourself idea, it has the same protection in Canada, He's gone to court with that as evidence. KEWL

SOCAN, which is the Canadian ver of RIAA has some nice, protection as well
But this would be a complete album type of deal

Working on singles right now, I'll mail myself, thanks

And I would like to personally thank everyone who replied to my thread
DH rocks!!!!!!!

I'm closing this thread now, feel its exhausted now

Thanks again for all your input, were all friends here, and we share

any other ideas PM me, I'm always kicking around somewhere

[Sourcer_2002]

Glad to help ya hope your album does well.

[Mac Daddy]

Originally posted by Sourcer_2002
Glad to help ya hope your album does well.

Thanks Bud, listen for a song called Rain
thats all I can say for now, you should hear it on the airwaves within the next 6 months
You and DH always help, on any topic
thanks much !!!!