[Mac Daddy]

Window's vs The World, hmmm....
Well here we go AGAIN

This is my sequel to the "infamous" Mr. Burn's Best OS's of all time
I think we all had fun with that one, and maybe learned a thing or two, know I did
Only difference this time, no conclusion OR golden EGG.
This subject was suggested by Kelsenellenelvian, and I expect him to reply !!!!

Here's the RULES:

This thread was created to once again voice my displeasure over Mr. Burns telling us just what software, we are inclined to run on our hardware

So that means "The World" includes all other alternative OS's (Linux, etc).

What I'm looking for is personal opinion, as well as personal experience.
Pros and Cons, problems and setbacks, incompatabilty issues, etc,etc.

Besides Kel, I would also like to hear from Louie6666, and UberLord. Louie knows a lot bout Linux, and Uber knows a great deal bout software in general.

All input is welcome, lets have some fun, and expand our minds

[mbeeston]

WINDOWS RULES!

[Kelsenellenelvian]

First off thank you for the recognition.

Personally I like Windows and will stick with them untill Palladium.

As for my reasons I have several.

#1 The sheer configurability of Windows I am always changing components and settings and the other systems like Mac can't handle that.

#2 Program compatability: I have over a thousand games and programs "most of which I still use" and only about 10% of them are compatable with the other OS'es and systems. So my only choice without Windows would be to toss my library and become a Mac user "shudder".

#3 Macs are just glorified web-browsers and word processors.

#4 Most of the other OS'es are nearly impossible to get ahold of without downloading them and even though I am now a cable net user I had dial up once and if I can't afford Windows how can I afford cable to download those huge files?

#5 Windows XP RULZ!!!!!!!!!!

[Mac Daddy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kelsenellenelvian
[B]First off thank you for the recognition.

Personally I like Windows and will stick with them untill Palladium.

As for my reasons I have several.

Well KEL, First off, thanks for the IDEA

I like where XP is headed, 98SE was solid as well
Palladium, please expand, this is why I created this thread.
Caught my eye
I disagree with the "Monopoly", that Mr. Burn's has at the moment

As far as Mac's, they were not meant to be a topic of this thread, strictly IBM's on this subject my friend, and all alternate OS's for that medium.

It seems you have touched a subject which most concerned me, In particular with Linux, lack of support, and comptability with programs I use.
I'm a gamer as well, and would not sacrifice support at this point!!
But more important, support of programs we use in The Studio:
Wavelab,and CoolEdit Pro, as well as some others

That's some good feedback from Kel, lets hear some more

[Vampyromaniac]

Macs are not part of "the world"? I think the MacOS is the only other OS that comes close to all the good points of Windows.

[UberLord]

Originally posted by Mac Daddy

What I'm looking for is personal opinion, as well as personal experience.
Pros and Cons, problems and setbacks, incompatabilty issues, etc,etc.

Opinion
Linux and *BSD are about choice.
I choose what kernel to run
I choose what programs to run
I choose what window manager or shell i run
I choose what browser I use
I choose what email paclage I use
I choose what office packages I use
I choose what databases I use
I choose - you get the idea

With Windows, I get 1 choice.
I must use Windows
I must use the Windows shell
I must use IE
I must use Outlook
I must use Ms Office
I must use MS SQL server or Access

Well, technically the above points are not true, but try submitting your document in any open standard (html, xml, xhtml, rtf or even pdf) to a recruitment agency and they'll say

"Please re-submit your CV in something that we can use. Any word processor as long as it's MS Word"
"Lady - If I could afford MS Word to submit my CV then I wouldn't be coming to you"
"Sir, if you don't have MS Word then you're not much of a computer guy are you - hahahahahahaha"

You see? Closed OS, Closed formats, closed protocols. MS just cream in the money.

With Linux and/or *BSD this can still happen - but it's much much harder. Everthing is open by default. Heck, even the new versions of OpenOffice or StarOffice can read/write 90% of MS word documents so it's not all bad.


XPerience
Linux and *BSD are pretty much at this time for the idealists (like me), techno geeks (also like me), people who want a choice (like me again) and people who believe in competition (spotting a trend?)

Linux is NOT for Joe SixPack computer user.

yet

Joe SixPack can now buy his Lindows PC from WalMart for $299 (i think - not sure). It does his email, word processing, spreadsheets and that new fangeled interweb thingy.

Now he wants to play a game. His PC has the hardware - but sadly not many games support Linux / *BSD. Infact in the UK I've never seen a single game for Linux. Nor any off-the-shelf software. Just Linux magazine with a cover cdrom with the "distro of the month". This is where it's failing now.

Also, aside from RedHat 8 - not any Linux distro is really that easy coming from a Windows background. It's the easiest I've used (Lindows may be easier - I've never used it so no comment) but it's nowhere near as user-friendly as a Mac or WindowsXP


Teh Future
Unlike other OS'es, Linux and *BSD are here to stay. Some companies have seen the light. Here's a few

nVidia
ATI
Matrox
PowerVR
All these IHV's have official Linux support and some *BSD support

iD
Epic/Digital Extremes
Two of the heavy weights that kick started the whole PC 3D gaming world

iD deserves special kudos for releasing Source code for their games after a sequel was made under the GPL licence. John Carmack doesn't believe in Patented Software and thinks if anyone can improve on his code then feel free to do so. Some people infact have, and have given Quake1 per-pixel lighting and bumpmapping and it looks damn damn good. Do a search for Tenebrae for more info.


It's also damn cheap.
Buy Windows XP home in a store brand new - it's around £80
Or buy a Linux distro in a book shop (only place I know that sells it in a store - lol) for around £20 including a damn big book telling you how to use it.



SUMMARY

I've been using Linux for over 5 years now. In that 5 years I've seen it turn from a user experience akin to Windows version 2 (yup - that bad at times) to a sleek and beautiful thing (RedHat 8).

Is it better than Windows for the home user/gamer? No
Will it be? Probably.

It's only going to get better if people use it, and provide a user base for it.

As a point, I play UT under Linux only. Why?
Because I'm another Linux game player.
I'm another number in a statistic
That makes game makers think do we support Linux?
I want games to support Linux

I want to run what I want - why should I have to pay MS to play a game? Why should I pay them so I can submit a CV?

Times are changing.

UT2003 supports Linux out of the box
NWN as a Linux client coming out any time now
DOOM3 will support Linux

I'm a gamer using Linux - why aren't you?

[Vampyromaniac]

Originally posted by UberLord
Times are changing.

Well that's one reason I wouldn't switch to Linux. Because times are still changing. Until they're done changing, I'm sticking with Windows.
I'll probably give Linux a try sometime, but if it's while times are still changing, I doubt I'll say "Wow."
I also like to "run what I want." And right now, I want to run Windows

[UberLord]

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
Well that's one reason I wouldn't switch to Linux. Because times are still changing. Until they're done changing, I'm sticking with Windows.

Linux and it's programs are always changing. Some people like x feature, some like y feature. The point is it's never static.

Windows changes as well - you just don't notice it as much because you get caught up in the upgrade flow.

I'll probably give Linux a try sometime, but if it's while times are still changing, I doubt I'll say "Wow."
I also like to "run what I want." And right now, I want to run Windows

I wont take that away - you want to run windows - then thats fine.
If you want to run things the same way you always have then thats also fine.

However, if you want to see if the grass really is greener, then you have to changing something. Take a risk, take a gamble.

[Vampyromaniac]

sounds like work

I think you misunderstood the first part. I was talking about how you were saying times are changing, like Linux is becoming more feature filled and more people are using it. I meant: I'll wait until that's all done, until it has enough features (or whatever.) Because right now, I'm sure I can't do everything on Linux as I can do on Windows.

And I didn't understand your reply to that part . . .
I've never upgraded anything

[UberLord]

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
sounds like work

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance

Or in computer terms - stop using closed proprietry systems
Which may mean some work - but it's worth it in the long run

[Vampyromaniac]

What's so bad about "closed?" When it comes down to it I don't care about the academic or ethical or whatever issues. I just want my computer to work. And Windows works pretty damn good for me. Freedom? I already have all the freedom I want

[UberLord]

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
Freedom? I already have all the freedom I want

Have you read the recent EULA's from MS? I'm refering to XP SP1, Win2K SP3 and Media Player 9 betas.

They HAVE THE RIGHT to install whatever software they choose
They HAVE THE RIGHT to scan whatevers on your PC
They HAVE THE RIGHT to your first-born.

Well, actually they don't have that last one, but they have pretty much everything else.

If you call that freedom, you're welcome to it.

[Vampyromaniac]

I don't use any of those

[Kelsenellenelvian]

Mac users blow Vampy.

Palladium is the new system Mr. Burns' wants to add to the new windows programs it basically gives MS the right to tell your system what can and can't run and is god of spyware.

[Mac Daddy]

Originally posted by UberLord
Opinion
Linux and *BSD are about choice.
With Windows, I get 1 choice.
I'm a gamer using Linux - why aren't you?

Well UBER, NICE POST, Glad you could join in
I'm about choice as well, HOW dare MR BURNS, determine exactly what software I can RUN, or tell me how

Linux, well I be thinkin you can add me to that Gaming forum soon, had no idea Linux was supported that much, HMM, still have a way to go

As for Joe Sixpack, I'm a hardware guy, All DOS and Assembler, Registers and allocation of conventional memory for me.

XP works well, but a bit to "Easy", MAC, well don't even mention it.

Thanks for your input, has helped

CHOICE #1, Monopoly's have no use on this Planet

Now theres some good input from UBER, lets hear some MORE

[Rayder]

The only OS's I have ever messed with are Win95, 98, 98se, ME(bleah), XP. Unless you count the old Commodore 64.....nah!

Personally I liked Win98se the best, but that's probably because I have the most experience with that one. It's time is coming to an end though, so now I'm finally in XP.

Sheer numbers of available software is why I like Windows. It's ease of use and versatility ROCKS!

[ToshiroOC]

If you don't mind, instead of ranting on and on in a forum where everyone is either going to already be using windows or linux and defending their choice rabidly, I'm going to go back to sourceforge and do my part to keep Linux going...

[Vampyromaniac]

Originally posted by Kelsenellenelvian
Mac users blow Vampy.

Palladium is the new system Mr. Burns' wants to add to the new windows programs it basically gives MS the right to tell your system what can and can't run and is god of spyware.

Heh, I know what you mean about mac users. The ones who buy a Mac as an ornament or status symbol, or think they are "really good at graphics." Hahahah they can shove an apple up their arse for all I care.
But as for Mac itself, I dunno . . . I've used past versions of the MacOS at school and such, and always hated it. Frequent crashes are what I remember, much worse than ANY of my experiences with Windows. But the newest version of the OS seems to be quite a leap in the right direction. I've never seen it up close, but it's supposed to be stable, as it's based on some type of Unix I think (bah can't remember exactly.)
In addition, I prefer its GUI to XP's new one, its list of software partners isn't shabby, and hardware compatability is good I've heard. As an OS, I think I'd prefer it to Linux.
But hey, I'm sure not condoning buying a Mac. There's still a few disadvantages. Like, poor selection of hardware, software, Apple having a "monopoly" on macs, no more CRT's, not enough true OSX software. But the main issues I have with Macs, which are not really the OS's fault, are: price and performance, 2 VERY BIG factors indeed. If Apple would only come to their senses with their prices, and get someone to actually make some decent CPU's and mobos for them, then I'd say the Mac would have a shot against Intel OS's. Who knows, there were once rumors of Apple switching MacOS over to Intel . . . I think that would be interesting.


As for Palladium, if that is true, it certainly sucks! I'll just be sticking with good old 98

[Madgoat1979]

Well,


Lets take a look at the Mac Platform:

Its a dual proc 1.8ghz 128bit machine...


Now look at a high scale PC:

Mainly one proc, 32 bit .. (Making to 64) and around 2.3ghz


now, do you really think the mac is for some person who wants to game? Or use it to cruch some major Graphics and or physics...


I am and have been a mac user... My dad works there and I love the machines. BUT! They have a place, and they dont stray to much from it.


A PC no doubt uses a more basic code... (windows was based off of c+) So its going to have more software. Macs on the other hand were not made to operate these tasks. They are ment for "work".... granted they are trying to keep up with the "Gamer".... But they cant do it...



Bottom line... Macs are not meant for PLay... they are used in high scale... major high work enviroments....


And yes, OSX and Jaguar are both based on Unix platform... So was the "Classic" Mac OS.... But vary dirty in its way...

take a look at the Apple site here: http://www.apple.com/powermac/architecture.html

This is a little input on the architecture used in macs... It doesnt vary far from PC's today....


MadGoat

[UberLord]

Originally posted by ToshiroOC
If you don't mind, instead of ranting on and on in a forum where everyone is either going to already be using windows or linux and defending their choice rabidly, I'm going to go back to sourceforge and do my part to keep Linux going...

Which project(s) do you work on?

[Mac Daddy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Madgoat1979
[B]Well,

I am and have been a mac user... My dad works there and I love the machines. BUT! They have a place, and they dont stray to much from it.

Bottom line... Macs are not meant for PLay... they are used in high scale... major high work enviroments....

Even though Mac's and MacOS' weren't really what I had in mind, when this thread was started, I like your point of view

I remember touring The Atomic Energy Nuclear Power Plant, in Chalk River, Ont, in the late 80's. Room's full of Mac's running artificial intelligence experiments and CAD programs, not many IBM's to be seen.
To be honest I haven't followed Mac's much since programming on the 68000's and 6800's, back in college.

All Hardware and software has it's specific uses, GOOD POINT MADGOAT

What my main application is at the moment is recording, were looking into some pretty sophisticated multitracking software, for IBM PC.
Allowing 16 or more tracks to be recorded individually at the same time, ie: An entire Drum Set recorded at one time, but still allowing each track to be edited seperately.

Now on that medium does XP have the scope to handle it, or would Linux or another alternative be better suited.
From my experence Windows OS's have always had a lot of overhead.

I started this thread to get opinions on what works best for you, and why For my own knowledge.

To:
ToshiroOC
I would also like to hear you expand on your views.
This thread was not meant as a Windows or Linux ranting and raving thread, it was meant as a medium to share information on OS's we have tryed!!

[Necrosis]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mac Daddy
[B]

Originally posted by Madgoat1979
Well,

I am and have been a mac user... My dad works there and I love the machines. BUT! They have a place, and they dont stray to much from it.

Bottom line... Macs are not meant for PLay... they are used in high scale... major high work enviroments....

Even though Mac's and MacOS' weren't really what I had in mind, when this thread was started, I like your point of view

I remember touring The Atomic Energy Nuclear Power Plant, in Chalk River, Ont, in the late 80's. Room's full of Mac's running artificial intelligence experiments and CAD programs, not many IBM's to be seen.
To be honest I haven't followed Mac's much since programming on the 68000's and 6800's, back in college.

All Hardware and software has it's specific uses, GOOD POINT MADGOAT

What my main application is at the moment is recording, were looking into some pretty sophisticated multitracking software, for IBM PC.
Allowing 16 or more tracks to be recorded individually at the same time, ie: An entire Drum Set recorded at one time, but still allowing each track to be edited seperately.

Now on that medium does XP have the scope to handle it, or would Linux or another alternative be better suited.
From my experence Windows OS's have always had a lot of overhead.

I started this thread to get opinions on what works best for you, and why For my own knowledge.

To:
ToshiroOC
I would also like to hear you expand on your views.
This thread was not meant as a Windows or Linux ranting and raving thread, it was meant as a medium to share information on OS's we have tryed!!

I think some of the best audio software for PC's is from Sonic Foundry. However, if you already have a nice dual G4 setup your answer is pretty obvious. Pro Tools is the way to go.

A. Apple is considering different processors besides Motorolla.

B. Apple does have a version of OSX that runs on x86 platforms.

I would like to try that Lycrosis distribution. So far I've tried Redhat, Mandrak, and Suse. The reason I cannot right now is all of my hardware isn't supported. Which is another problem with Linux. This has been said a million times before but I will say it again once Linux becomes as "easy" to use at Windows MS will be calling home to their mamma's for sure.

[Louie6666]

Yep Apple is considering a new cpu (big Grin) but IBM is holding said cpu to randsom, & motarola ain't intrested in helping them out ....maybe Mac will do the dirty & switch to x86 instead! lol! cold day in hell & all that
And thats all i have to say about macs


Don't think I've heard anyone mention wine which allows windows software to be run under linux (see Lindows) should solve most peoples argument on windows software front..

I haven't got to grips properly with linux on desktop...actually using .net adv server as desktop at moment, I wanted to use Redhat as my web server & desktop os, but got frustrated at the faq's dealing with samba (linux client/server for browsing windows shares). I think at the moment linux doesn't really have cosy easy out the packet install feel about that you get with xp/.net...I know a lot of my issues with linux are because I know what I'm doing with windows and feel like I should be able to compile a similar build os in the same about of time it takes to install xp/.net

...To be honest I find the the faq's & how to's I've seem assume you have a fair degree of knowledge on linux..If i didn't have any understanding of os's I would find this completely off putting...

Been sat here trying to think whats missing! I can only remember seeing a couple of wizards to set components up, including more setup wizards would make life so much easier! When peeps setup servers they don't mind editing scripts, but when it comes to desktop who wants to play with scripts

The easiest linux distro's I've come across to setup have been the firewall ones smoothwall & Ipcop...took less than 10 mins, and there secure out the packet..
This brings up another point, both Smoothie & ipcop are GPL, but smoothie sells a commercial version, so there support for the GPL version is a non starter, they don't want you customizing there software for your own use, they would rather you pay for addin modules, which are freely availible on the net. Ipcop on other hand thru there forums tell you how to modify there distro & provide downloads to do so! check out the sites if your intrested

http://ipcop.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/IPCop/WebHome
http://ipcop.hopto.org/

http://www.smoothwall.org/

Now to me smoothie seems more like a "Mr Burns" type org and Ipcop seems to be more in the spirit of linux...



final words(at last)
a)Linux needs to become more user friendly to make it.

b)Windows needs to become more open, otherwise its going to get steam rollered when point a) happens

c) Macs need to sort there power/pricing problems, or the niche market they have is going to stop caring about the pretty boxes & care more about how long it takes them to render a piccie/costs to buy! I don't think they can switch to x86 without becoming just another oem, unless they bring a shiny new os to x86 which could pee's on points a) & b)

[FuNsTeR]

Windows 98 se for nearly 4 years it is solid and dependable in saying that i may be tempted with a Mac os for the PC if it ever comes about

[Judas]

I can't argue anything... my opinion doesn't stand for anything since all i've ever used is, windows 0.something and windows 3.1/3.11/nt4.0/win95/95a/95b/95c/98/98se/ME/2000/XP/XPSP1

I think my arguement might be one sided....

I'd love to give linux a try...along with mac and crap....but finacially, i can't.... don't have all the machines to do it...not to mention the internet connection to do it.... (28.8 fastest ever)

[Mac Daddy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Louie6666
[B]Yep Apple is considering a new cpu (big Grin) but IBM is holding said cpu to randsom, & motarola ain't intrested in helping them out ....maybe Mac will do the dirty & switch to x86 instead! lol! cold day in hell & all that
And thats all i have to say about macs


Once again, nice opinion my freind.
For the second time, the other members understand why I asked you and Uber to reply to this thread.

Very Educational, hmmm

Cheers and Happy New Year. Louie Louie

To Judas:
I asked for personal experience, and preferences and hope to see you expand on your experiences.
I've been caught up in the DialUP gravy Train, as well

Your Opinion DOES MATTER, hope to see it posted soon,
Best of the New Year


WELL

And at this point I'm off, have some partying to do
To DH and all its members, Best of the New Year from Mac Daddy

[Zerthr]

Originally posted by UberLord
Opinion
Linux and *BSD are about choice.
I choose what kernel to run
I choose what programs to run
I choose what window manager or shell i run
I choose what browser I use
I choose what email paclage I use
I choose what office packages I use
I choose what databases I use
I choose - you get the idea

With Windows, I get 1 choice.
I must use Windows
I must use the Windows shell
I must use IE
I must use Outlook
I must use Ms Office
I must use MS SQL server or Access

Well, technically the above points are not true, but try submitting your document in any open standard (html, xml, xhtml, rtf or even pdf) to a recruitment agency and they'll say

"Please re-submit your CV in something that we can use. Any word processor as long as it's MS Word"
"Lady - If I could afford MS Word to submit my CV then I wouldn't be coming to you"
"Sir, if you don't have MS Word then you're not much of a computer guy are you - hahahahahahaha"

You see? Closed OS, Closed formats, closed protocols. MS just cream in the money.

With Linux and/or *BSD this can still happen - but it's much much harder. Everthing is open by default. Heck, even the new versions of OpenOffice or StarOffice can read/write 90% of MS word documents so it's not all bad.


XPerience
Linux and *BSD are pretty much at this time for the idealists (like me), techno geeks (also like me), people who want a choice (like me again) and people who believe in competition (spotting a trend?)

Linux is NOT for Joe SixPack computer user.

yet

Joe SixPack can now buy his Lindows PC from WalMart for $299 (i think - not sure). It does his email, word processing, spreadsheets and that new fangeled interweb thingy.

Now he wants to play a game. His PC has the hardware - but sadly not many games support Linux / *BSD. Infact in the UK I've never seen a single game for Linux. Nor any off-the-shelf software. Just Linux magazine with a cover cdrom with the "distro of the month". This is where it's failing now.

Also, aside from RedHat 8 - not any Linux distro is really that easy coming from a Windows background. It's the easiest I've used (Lindows may be easier - I've never used it so no comment) but it's nowhere near as user-friendly as a Mac or WindowsXP


Teh Future
Unlike other OS'es, Linux and *BSD are here to stay. Some companies have seen the light. Here's a few

nVidia
ATI
Matrox
PowerVR
All these IHV's have official Linux support and some *BSD support

iD
Epic/Digital Extremes
Two of the heavy weights that kick started the whole PC 3D gaming world

iD deserves special kudos for releasing Source code for their games after a sequel was made under the GPL licence. John Carmack doesn't believe in Patented Software and thinks if anyone can improve on his code then feel free to do so. Some people infact have, and have given Quake1 per-pixel lighting and bumpmapping and it looks damn damn good. Do a search for Tenebrae for more info.


It's also damn cheap.
Buy Windows XP home in a store brand new - it's around £80
Or buy a Linux distro in a book shop (only place I know that sells it in a store - lol) for around £20 including a damn big book telling you how to use it.



SUMMARY

I've been using Linux for over 5 years now. In that 5 years I've seen it turn from a user experience akin to Windows version 2 (yup - that bad at times) to a sleek and beautiful thing (RedHat 8).

Is it better than Windows for the home user/gamer? No
Will it be? Probably.

It's only going to get better if people use it, and provide a user base for it.

As a point, I play UT under Linux only. Why?
Because I'm another Linux game player.
I'm another number in a statistic
That makes game makers think do we support Linux?
I want games to support Linux

I want to run what I want - why should I have to pay MS to play a game? Why should I pay them so I can submit a CV?

Times are changing.

UT2003 supports Linux out of the box
NWN as a Linux client coming out any time now
DOOM3 will support Linux

I'm a gamer using Linux - why aren't you?

A long opinion... and it's all wrong...

98% of all users... USE windows. (maybe higher)
once they have users, basically they have more support.

Linux might support games but we all know it will be "unlikely" not "probably" that it would be better than windows for gamers.

and your few theories that rocked me off my chair..

With Linux
I choose what kernel to run <--- There's only the best kernel, or just most preferred
I choose what programs to run <--- What the hell? like windows would stop you from running what you want?
I choose what window manager or shell i run (same with windows plus can add and custo your own skin)
I choose what browser I use <--- same with windows
I choose what email paclage I use <--- same with windows
I choose what office packages I use <--same with windows
I choose what databases I use (I dont use it so I dunno)
I choose - you get the idea <--- No i don't...

because....

With Windows
I must use Windows <---(NO SHIT) (You must use linux when using linux also oooooh....)

I must use the Windows shell... (or add on skins)
I must use IE.... or opera, mozilla, bla bla bal bla there is choice
I must use Outlook.... or endora, the bat, and like 100 others..
I must use Ms Office <---- personnaly I use corels wordperfect
I must use MS SQL server or Access <--- Dunno... never used.


I never used ANY microsoft stuff besides the OS. wtf are you talking about.

Word perfect support MS Word's documents also..

[Louie6666]

Originally posted by Zerthr
.

Linux might support games but we all know it will be "unlikely" not "probably" that it would be better than windows for gamers.

Can you clarify this bit for me! Are you saying its unlikley that linux will support games or are you saying that windows is a better environment to run games in?

By the way windows games run better in linux using wine, configuring is bit of bitch.

U can run just about any windows prog using wine, (as stated in previous post)

Quite a few of the better quailty servers run linux for CS & UT(for example) as windows servers lagggggggggggggggg a lot more


You pull Uberlords post apart where he was actually pointing out linux's failings as well, l think point he was trying to make is that he can do everthing in linux, that you can do windows & have more choice over the matter, whilst also pointing out that its not as user friendly as windows!

Some of what you say is just plain wrong! Anyone can compile there own kernal in linux if they can be bothered to learn about it! Most windows uses MS packages, plain & simple, you are not Mr Average so you use what software you want, you are in the Minority! Joe Six pack goes to PC world or whatever piece of shite high street retailer & buy a complete package, which is hardly ever updated yet alone replaced... Jeez most of them don't even know to defrag there dam harddrive every once in a while!

Do you use word perfect! arrrh I'd rather go with Burnsy's offering of office lol....have long standing hate of WordPerfect I'm sure its fine now...just remeber using it when it had shitty interface (5.1) and ran over dos lol!

Something else I'd like ask how may servers on the internet do you think run Windows...I do but I'm in a minority, less than 5 percent actually do...There mostly running Nix variations eg BSD, freesco!

I would like to see how quick google would go if running Windows & how often it would crash lol

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by Louie6666
By the way windows games run better in linux using wine, configuring is bit of bitch.

Seriously? They work better with wine? ("Doesn't everything?" )

If this is true, then me big reason for not doing linux is officially moot and I'm behind the times!

[Louie6666]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Seriously? They work better with wine? ("Doesn't everything?" )

If this is true, then me big reason for not doing linux is officially moot and I'm behind the times!

So I'm Lead to belive but u know linux peeps, they keep these things quiet, & don't tell you how lol!

Perhaps Uber can help us out with this one, I wanna go fully linux for me desktop, just a coward at the moment!