Cadillac Sixteen

JavaFox · Jan 12, 2003, 09:30 PM

I recently read about this car in Newsweek. And all I can say is, if this kind of pushing-the-envelope is what we can come to expect in the coming years, Japan and Europe are going to have some stiff American competition as far as cars go.

Anyway, it's still only in the concept phase, but it is still jaw-dropping. Besides the amazing design, this car will be equipped with a mind-blowing 1000 horsepower V16 engine. It will features silk, fine wood, and crystal in its interior.

At $250,000, it's not cheap, but it BLOWS away similarly priced Rolls Royces, Bentleys, Mercedes in terms of horsepower.

JavaFox · Jan 12, 2003, 09:34 PM

Zardon · Jan 12, 2003, 09:41 PM

sexy looking car (just hope it doesnt have to go around corners if my experience with other amercian cars hold true).

edit: that was a joke btw, dont want all you USA guys getting annoyed

JavaFox · Jan 12, 2003, 09:50 PM

Z', we Americans can take plenty of abuse!

We get criticized by every country in the world constantly, but we are still among the proudest people in the world. I guess we have a still upper lip -- did we get it from you guys?

UberLord · Jan 13, 2003, 12:00 AM

Nice car. However, if the suspension is anything like the Lexus I drove for a few weeks it can stay in the states.

JavaFox · Jan 13, 2003, 12:24 AM

Lexii aren't American cars.

***craig5320*** · Jan 13, 2003, 01:41 AM

^ He didn't say they were, merely that if the suspension is comparable it can stay in the states

mbeeston · Jan 13, 2003, 02:00 AM

not bad but needs mor trunk space

JavaFox · Jan 13, 2003, 02:33 AM

Now that I think about it, we don't wanna sell you Europeans our Caddies anyway!

JavaFox · Jan 13, 2003, 02:34 AM

BTW, did I mention that the lights in this car are LED-based?

ToshiroOC · Jan 13, 2003, 04:17 AM

The true highlight of this car is the built-in champagne cooler in the back! Only Rolls has one of those, as far as I can tell, and Rolls doesn't have that brutal American V16 engine.... oh I so want one of these...

Vampyromaniac · Jan 13, 2003, 07:59 AM

OK, let's hear from the people who aren't excited about this car. For example: me.

UberLord · Jan 13, 2003, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ToshiroOC
The true highlight of this car is the built-in champagne cooler in the back! Only Rolls has one of those, as far as I can tell, and Rolls doesn't have that brutal American V16 engine.... oh I so want one of these...

Thats because we "tune" our engines. The art of refined engineering vs the art of making it bigger.

Ever wondered why most of the F1 cars are UK based and why your beloved Indy cars are made in the UK?

ToshiroOC · Jan 13, 2003, 10:57 AM

Excuse me. Americans = bigger. Y'all = refined. Bigger? Refined. Bigger? Refined. ... BIGGER

You just don't understand us Americans, do you?

btw, I really don't care that much about cars made anywhere in the western hemisphere :coughricecough:, so I'm just debating for my fellow Americans

UberLord · Jan 13, 2003, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ToshiroOC
Excuse me. Americans = bigger. Y'all = refined. Bigger? Refined. Bigger? Refined. ... BIGGER You just don't understand us Americans, do you? btw, I really don't care that much about cars made anywhere in the western hemisphere :coughricecough:, so I'm just debating for my fellow Americans

Sure I understand Americans. They always think that bigger = better. Kinda explains the average Americans obesity

ToshiroOC · Jan 13, 2003, 12:07 PM

If you don't mind, I'd like to point out that I am not a normal American - I speak more than one language, I intend to go to college, I refuse to use y'all unless it is really appropriate, and I don't have a shotgun

But still... bigger is better. Unless you have better, AND bigger, which is even better...

UberLord · Jan 13, 2003, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ToshiroOC
But still... bigger is better. Unless you have better, AND bigger, which is even better...

That old adage doesn't ring true anymore. Bigger != always better.

Otherwise our PC's would be the size of houses by now

ToshiroOC · Jan 13, 2003, 12:38 PM

But we have bigger transistor counts, bigger voltage drops, bigger process increases, bigger engineering ideas! Bigger cache! BIGGER IS BETTER DAMMIT!

UberLord · Jan 13, 2003, 12:50 PM

So bigger monetary loans are a good thing? Maybe bigger nuclear missiles so we can kill the world another 30 times?

JavaFox · Jan 13, 2003, 01:54 PM

Firstly, I reject the notion that Europeans are more refined than Americans, but I stress that this doesn't mean I think lowly of you.

Anyway, I don't really know anything about cars, but the new Cadillac Sixteen strikes me as being a piece of design genius. Not only is it stupidly extravagant (crystal, silk, fine wood, champagne cooler, seats that recline into beds, LED lights, etc.), it is also vastly more powerful than any other luxury car ever. It is, quite simply, a bold move. As far as cars go, we Americans have fallen behind both Europe and Japan, but if this kind of ballsy risk-taking design is what we can come to expect from the likes of GM, I think America has the potential to assert itself as the dominant player.

Show me a car that looks like the Sixteen, with its fusion of classic and ultramodern design. Show me a luxury car with a 1,000HP V16 engine! And, remember, this is a car from Cadillac. They don't have the kind of recognition or reputation worldwide that is afforded to Merc's or BMWs. The Sixteen represents an almost hubristic attitude of an American car manufacturer's refusal to be the underdog.

And I hope they deliver.

Quote:

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
OK, let's hear from the people who aren't excited about this car. For example: me.

Okay... let's! Oh, I guess you didn't have anything to say.

--

PS: Why the comparison between a Toyota and American cars, Uber?

ToshiroOC · Jan 13, 2003, 08:02 PM

Javafox, poll? Bigger is better?

I personally don't think that the sixteen will let GM claim ascendancy to the throne of "Maker of Best Car", but it looks damn good - my only reservation would be that this is a prototype, and stuff normally gets cut going from prototype to production, but so long as they keep it price competitive with the others in it's class and don't lose too much, I get the feeling that its a winner

Just to get an idea of how much 1000hp is, though, think of that new Enzo Ferrari - its called the closest thing to a street legal F1 race car... and it has 600hp

Of course, the Cadillac is much slower because of it's weight, but thats some serious power its pushing around...

Ryoko · Jan 13, 2003, 08:50 PM

i think it's worthwhile to mention that the sixteen is 1 of only 2 production cars that have more than 700 hp. furthermore, the other one has 987 hp after quad-turboing. this one has 1000 hp naturally aspirated. also, it costs $500,000 less than the 987 hp one.

oh, and judging by the room (or lack of) in the wheel wells, tire profile, and car height, the skidpad should be pushing 1g... other cars that get 1g are the corvette, viper, and porche 911.

DriveEuro · Jan 13, 2003, 08:53 PM

Uh, if you want an American then you can have this. But personally I'd rather have a performance car with 16 cylinders. Bugatti Veyron 16/4, 1001.1 hp. Or how about an 18 cylinder Bugatti Chiron. Or better yet. The Cizeta Maurauder V16T....mind you this car was made 8 years ago. forget that cadillac.

Vampyromaniac · Jan 13, 2003, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JavaFox
Okay... let's! Oh, I guess you didn't have anything to say.

Um, I said I'm not excited

~~David~~ · Jan 13, 2003, 09:45 PM

they say the damn thing gets over 22mpg gass milage. which is wild for a v16

Ryoko · Jan 13, 2003, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by David
they say the damn thing gets over 22mpg gass milage. which is wild for a v16

gm is known for efficient engines, especially the larger ones. the 6 litre v8 in the corvette z06 gets 27mpg.

DriveEuro · Jan 13, 2003, 10:53 PM

That's only because their sixth gear is made for saving gas. The gear has next to no performance torque. 6th gear is just used for gas saving. OH! and I forgot to mention....Bugatti Veyron...7 speed. Yup, 7 gears.

kinetic · Jan 13, 2003, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
sexy looking car (just hope it doesnt have to go around corners if my experience with other amercian cars hold true).

edit: that was a joke btw, dont want all you USA guys getting annoyed

It probably handles like this http://www.vlewis.net/viking.html

JavaFox · Jan 15, 2003, 12:57 AM

Kinetic, OMG, that is the funniest thing ever! LOL! Oh, and guys, this won't be a heavy car -- it uses a lot of lightweight aluminum. Toshiro, what I said was... if this car represents a shift in attitude, then it is more meaningful than this car that nobody normal can afford. This car alone means nothing for GM, but if this kind of risk-taking is what is to come, then GM will be a bigger player than it already is.

ToshiroOC · Jan 15, 2003, 01:17 AM

Well, it isn't going to be a weight-stripped fiberglass car either JF

And I see what you mean - and I really hope we can look forward to more daring and interesting cars from GM and other American manufacturers in the future... that part after the "bigger is better?" in my post wasn't specifically directed towards you and your comments though

they were statements in general...

Jan 12, 2003, 09:30 PM	#1
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Cadillac Sixteen I recently read about this car in Newsweek. And all I can say is, if this kind of pushing-the-envelope is what we can come to expect in the coming years, Japan and Europe are going to have some stiff American competition as far as cars go. Anyway, it's still only in the concept phase, but it is still jaw-dropping. Besides the amazing design, this car will be equipped with a mind-blowing 1000 horsepower V16 engine. It will features silk, fine wood, and crystal in its interior. At $250,000, it's not cheap, but it BLOWS away similarly priced Rolls Royces, Bentleys, Mercedes in terms of horsepower.

Jan 12, 2003, 09:34 PM	Thread Starter #2
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	And here's a butt-shot!

Jan 13, 2003, 12:00 AM	#5
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	Nice car. However, if the suspension is anything like the Lexus I drove for a few weeks it can stay in the states. __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

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mbeeston HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: alberta, canada (thats north of the usa people) Posts: 1,037 Rep Power: 68 System Specs	not bad but needs mor trunk space __________________ R.I.P Roadee - you will be missed T_T peace,love, and war... 3 things people look for... "if your going off the deep end, show off, do a cannon ball!" - me

Jan 12, 2003, 09:41 PM	#3
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	sexy looking car (just hope it doesnt have to go around corners if my experience with other amercian cars hold true). edit: that was a joke btw, dont want all you USA guys getting annoyed

Jan 12, 2003, 09:50 PM	Thread Starter #4
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Z', we Americans can take plenty of abuse! We get criticized by every country in the world constantly, but we are still among the proudest people in the world. I guess we have a still upper lip -- did we get it from you guys?

Jan 13, 2003, 12:24 AM	Thread Starter #6
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Lexii aren't American cars.

Jan 13, 2003, 02:33 AM	Thread Starter #9
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Now that I think about it, we don't wanna sell you Europeans our Caddies anyway!

Jan 13, 2003, 02:34 AM	Thread Starter #10
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	BTW, did I mention that the lights in this car are LED-based?

Jan 13, 2003, 04:17 AM	#11
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	The true highlight of this car is the built-in champagne cooler in the back! Only Rolls has one of those, as far as I can tell, and Rolls doesn't have that brutal American V16 engine.... oh I so want one of these... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 13, 2003, 07:59 AM	#12
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Jan 13, 2003, 10:57 AM	#14
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Excuse me. Americans = bigger. Y'all = refined. Bigger? Refined. Bigger? Refined. ... BIGGER You just don't understand us Americans, do you? btw, I really don't care that much about cars made anywhere in the western hemisphere :coughricecough:, so I'm just debating for my fellow Americans __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 13, 2003, 12:07 PM	#16
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	If you don't mind, I'd like to point out that I am not a normal American - I speak more than one language, I intend to go to college, I refuse to use y'all unless it is really appropriate, and I don't have a shotgun But still... bigger is better. Unless you have better, AND bigger, which is even better... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 13, 2003, 12:38 PM	#18
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	But we have bigger transistor counts, bigger voltage drops, bigger process increases, bigger engineering ideas! Bigger cache! BIGGER IS BETTER DAMMIT! __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 13, 2003, 12:50 PM	#19
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	So bigger monetary loans are a good thing? Maybe bigger nuclear missiles so we can kill the world another 30 times? __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Jan 13, 2003, 08:02 PM	#21
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Javafox, poll? Bigger is better? I personally don't think that the sixteen will let GM claim ascendancy to the throne of "Maker of Best Car", but it looks damn good - my only reservation would be that this is a prototype, and stuff normally gets cut going from prototype to production, but so long as they keep it price competitive with the others in it's class and don't lose too much, I get the feeling that its a winner Just to get an idea of how much 1000hp is, though, think of that new Enzo Ferrari - its called the closest thing to a street legal F1 race car... and it has 600hp Of course, the Cadillac is much slower because of it's weight, but thats some serious power its pushing around... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 13, 2003, 08:50 PM	#22
Ryoko American Soldier Join Date: May 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA Posts: 1,725 Rep Power: 0	i think it's worthwhile to mention that the sixteen is 1 of only 2 production cars that have more than 700 hp. furthermore, the other one has 987 hp after quad-turboing. this one has 1000 hp naturally aspirated. also, it costs $500,000 less than the 987 hp one. oh, and judging by the room (or lack of) in the wheel wells, tire profile, and car height, the skidpad should be pushing 1g... other cars that get 1g are the corvette, viper, and porche 911.

Jan 13, 2003, 08:53 PM	#23
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Uh, if you want an American then you can have this. But personally I'd rather have a performance car with 16 cylinders. Bugatti Veyron 16/4, 1001.1 hp. Or how about an 18 cylinder Bugatti Chiron. Or better yet. The Cizeta Maurauder V16T....mind you this car was made 8 years ago. forget that cadillac. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Jan 13, 2003, 09:45 PM	#25
~~David~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 959 Rep Power: 0	they say the damn thing gets over 22mpg gass milage. which is wild for a v16

Jan 13, 2003, 10:53 PM	#27
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	That's only because their sixth gear is made for saving gas. The gear has next to no performance torque. 6th gear is just used for gas saving. OH! and I forgot to mention....Bugatti Veyron...7 speed. Yup, 7 gears. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Jan 15, 2003, 12:57 AM	Thread Starter #29
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Kinetic, OMG, that is the funniest thing ever! LOL! Oh, and guys, this won't be a heavy car -- it uses a lot of lightweight aluminum. Toshiro, what I said was... if this car represents a shift in attitude, then it is more meaningful than this car that nobody normal can afford. This car alone means nothing for GM, but if this kind of risk-taking is what is to come, then GM will be a bigger player than it already is.

Jan 15, 2003, 01:17 AM	#30
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Well, it isn't going to be a weight-stripped fiberglass car either JF And I see what you mean - and I really hope we can look forward to more daring and interesting cars from GM and other American manufacturers in the future... that part after the "bigger is better?" in my post wasn't specifically directed towards you and your comments though they were statements in general... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)