Logitech G25 Racing Wheel Delivers Ultimate PC Gaming Experience

BWX · May 11, 2006, 02:39 AM

Source: Logitech
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LOS ANGELES — May 9, 2006 — Today at the Electronic Entertainment Exposition (E3), Logitech (SWX: LOGN) (NASDAQ: LOGI) unveiled its most advanced gaming wheel ever, the Logitech® G25 Racing Wheel, enabling people to bring the most lifelike racing experience into the home. But amateurs beware: The limited-edition G25 wheel´s uncanny realism could lead to moments of extreme exhilaration and fear.

BWX · May 11, 2006, 02:46 AM

I personally think I see a couple small problems.. They took all the buttons off the wheel.. in virtual racing, they are a must.. The more the better- the DFP even has a HAT switch on the wheel and they manage to put all those buttons on there without getting in the way.

The Logitech Driving Force Pro has plenty of raw power.. too much really at times.. but not enough speed, and that is a problem at times.
[COLOR="Red"](EDIT- see post #7, I can say that is NOT a problem with this wheel- it's very fast!)[/COLOR]

Logitech always deliver quality for an amazing price. It would cost a person many times more money to try to come close to the features this wheel will have if the pieces were bought separately. It looks like a great day for sim racers around the world.

BWX · May 11, 2006, 08:36 AM

mainman · May 11, 2006, 08:58 AM

OMG!! That wheel looks awsome!!!

ermm just looked at the price...ouch...

BWX · May 12, 2006, 01:55 AM

Yeah but for a hardcore sim racer- that is cheap! LOL

BWX · May 12, 2006, 01:04 PM

BWX · Sep 10, 2006, 07:25 AM

Some more pics I found..

Also I have seen a short video of the thing turning at full speed.. it is like 3 times faster than the Logitech Driving Force Pro.. It looks like this wheel has it all.. those pedals are extremely high quality. The internals of the wheel look very well thought out. I can't wait to try this one out with rFactor, Live For Speed S2, Richard Burns Rally, and GTR 2 among other race sims coming out. This thing is the real deal.

One of the coolest features of the wheel below.

[COLOR="Red"]ANTI BACKLASH GEARS!!![/COLOR]
Genius!

Quote:

In certain applications (for example, a radio tuning dial where one may make precise tuning movements both forward and backwards) backlash is an undesirable characteristic and should be minimized. Specialized gear designs allow this. One of the more-common designs splits the gear into two gears, each half the thickness of the original. One half of the gear is fixed to its shaft while the other half of the gear is allowed to turn on the shaft, but pre-loaded in rotation by small coil springs that rotate the free gear relative to the fixed gear. In this way, the spring tension rotates the free gear until all of the backlash in the system has been taken out; the teeth of the fixed gear press against one side of the teeth of the pinion while the teeth of the free gear press against the other side of the teeth on the pinion.

Loads smaller than the force of the springs do not compress the springs and with no gaps between the teeth to be taken up, backlash is eliminated

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backlash_(gear)

Erroneus · Sep 10, 2006, 10:59 AM

Damn it's more worth and better looking than my real car!

pr0digal jenius · Sep 10, 2006, 06:53 PM

$300 ain't bad, really....you consider a top end mouse is $100, and this is 3 components....$100 each

Erroneus · Sep 10, 2006, 07:21 PM

Well that aint to bad actaully all though it means price here in Denmark is properly around 425$.

BWX · Sep 10, 2006, 09:36 PM

Yeah for what it is, it isn't expensive, it actually a good deal..

BUT.. it is expensive.. You better like race sims if you buy it.

Sandok · Sep 10, 2006, 09:54 PM

GTR2 and that... I'd be in heaven

BWX · Sep 10, 2006, 10:02 PM

or that--
http://www.race-game.org/

click on the
"Eurosport editorial: WTCC aces testing RACE" for a movie testing that game and that wheel.. That picture on the bottom left.

They also show one of these: http://www.force-dynamics.com/video.html

Yeah it will be nice with GTR2.. I Have a feeling that's going to be a fun race-sim type game.

BWX · Sep 25, 2006, 12:28 PM

http://www.hardware.info/en-US/artic...wheel__Review/

Erroneus · Sep 25, 2006, 06:18 PM

Nice, thanks for the link to the review.

Looks awesome!

BWX · Oct 9, 2006, 10:01 PM

Another video from a review....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRpsp0-O3aU&eurl=

Looks like a translation but understandable.
http://www.paperboots.net/?p=738#more-738

And some internal pics of the shifter from that review..

EDIT-

- LOL -
13,295 views for this thread.. (as of Oct 9th) and it comes up very high on the list when you type in Logitech G25 in google.
I wonder if it is just because of my personal search records it does that on google or does it do that for everyone when they type in "Logitech G25" in Google w/o quotes?

Sandok · Oct 9, 2006, 10:13 PM

Logitech is hasn't prereleased the wheel to many sites or magazines yet so information is scarce

You have been a gold mine for many, I'm sure

I hope I may soon be able to add to your information

BWX · Oct 9, 2006, 10:36 PM

Yeah it is kind of a slow release .. people all over the world getting it at different times.

I need to wait a while to buy it, just don't have the fundage right now, but hopefully soon! I also want to see if it comes down in price at all, I think it might get down to around 200 USD or so in a couple months. So even if I had extra 270 bucks or so to blow this second, I would still wait to see what happens with the price when more places have them available.

You can get one at Dell right now for instance..
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...9&sku=A0739532

and a lot of other places have had them in stock, then sold out, etc.. Pretty soon I think lots more places will have plenty of them.

BWX · Oct 11, 2006, 05:40 AM

Almost 14,000 views for this thread! woot.

Well, since people are coming here for info..

Another picture - this one is of the optical sensor in the wheel, and some info about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goo

The disc for the encoder is attached to the back side of the left motor shaft. You can see it in the attached image. As McMan says, when the wheel turns, it turns the motor at exactly the same time with no center slop, meaning the encoder disc is always moving when the wheel is, and doesn't when the wheel is stopped.

The reason why this is done instead of attaching it to the main shaft is that it gives you MANY more counts per wheel revolution with which to determine direction of turn and wheel orientation, which results in much finer resolution for input. The slotted disc only has about 30 slots in it, and if it were 1:1 disc/wheel turn you'd get very sloppy input. Attaching the disc to the motor, which spins many times per wheel revolution, results in significantly more accurate control.

Potentiometers are attached to the main shaft for, essentially, the opposite reason..

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcman

As Goo said, by driving the encoder off the motor the number of "counts" and therefore the accuracy, increases. G25's optical disk has 60 slots, which with a 16:1 reduction equates to a little over 1/3 degree of wheel rotation per count (0.375). Couple this with the anti-backlash drive and this system provides very high precision.

(Goo and mcman are Logitech employees I believe)

http://forum.rscnet.org/showpost.php...postcount=1368

Erroneus · Oct 11, 2006, 10:12 AM

Damn it's slick and at a 285$ price here in Denmark, it's extremly tempting, nobody has it on stock though

BWX · Oct 11, 2006, 06:55 PM

Yup- it is still pretty sparce.. but I just got this in an e-mail.

Quote:

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BWX · Oct 31, 2006, 08:24 PM

18,482 views!

Availability is very limited now.. hopefully in a couple weeks there will be more around.

Sandok · Oct 31, 2006, 08:44 PM

Tell me about it.... I can't even get my hands on one to review

BWX · Oct 31, 2006, 08:57 PM

Dell has them in stock here in the US.. And I heard Fry's does. But there was an initial release, then they dried up. Some people in Europe are having a real hard time getting one though, they never even got the first round of them.

BWX · Nov 2, 2006, 07:43 PM

I just got a bunch of e-mail notification updates from many e-retailers that they have some in stock.. and one from Logitech too.

http://logitech.links.channelintelli...-0403&nRGID=49

BG_Geno · Nov 5, 2006, 11:44 PM

Not to spam but you guys seem to be interested in the G25 and there is a review posted:

http://boxgods.com/dept/hardware/ind...Article&ID=223

Also, Dell has em in stock too.

G

BWX · Nov 6, 2006, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BG_Geno

Not to spam but you guys seem to be interested in the G25 and there is a review posted:

http://boxgods.com/dept/hardware/ind...Article&ID=223

Also, Dell has em in stock too.

G

Cool, thanks for the heads up- I hadn't seen that one yet.

BWX · Nov 14, 2006, 06:06 AM

Wow over 20,500 page views..

Nice.

These are widely available now, and the prices are starting to come down. I don't have one yet to report on, but hopefully soon.

Examples..
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...872998-7507353
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.as...07&dcaid=15975
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...9&sku=A0739532
http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductD...=07-15344526-2
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_g...g_us_e_s&skd=1

Turboready · Nov 16, 2006, 11:58 PM

Hi Guys,

I am a noobie. Amazing forum. Just one question for the G25 users, I have heard that the clutch has a switch instead of a pot, is this true?

Thanks.

BWX · Nov 17, 2006, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turboready

Hi Guys,

I am a noobie. Amazing forum. Just one question for the G25 users, I have heard that the clutch has a switch instead of a pot, is this true?

Thanks.

Nope that is not true.. it has a pot, just like the throttle and brake pedals.

Actually you can see it right in this post-
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showpost...93&postcount=7

May 11, 2006, 02:39 AM	#1
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Logitech G25 Racing Wheel Delivers Ultimate PC Gaming Experience Source: Logitech ___________ LOS ANGELES — May 9, 2006 — Today at the Electronic Entertainment Exposition (E3), Logitech (SWX: LOGN) (NASDAQ: LOGI) unveiled its most advanced gaming wheel ever, the Logitech® G25 Racing Wheel, enabling people to bring the most lifelike racing experience into the home. But amateurs beware: The limited-edition G25 wheel´s uncanny realism could lead to moments of extreme exhilaration and fear. __________________ Last edited by Iria; May 11, 2006 at 06:24 PM.

May 11, 2006, 02:46 AM	Thread Starter #2
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	I personally think I see a couple small problems.. They took all the buttons off the wheel.. in virtual racing, they are a must.. The more the better- the DFP even has a HAT switch on the wheel and they manage to put all those buttons on there without getting in the way. The Logitech Driving Force Pro has plenty of raw power.. too much really at times.. but not enough speed, and that is a problem at times. [COLOR="Red"](EDIT- see post #7, I can say that is NOT a problem with this wheel- it's very fast!)[/COLOR] Logitech always deliver quality for an amazing price. It would cost a person many times more money to try to come close to the features this wheel will have if the pieces were bought separately. It looks like a great day for sim racers around the world. Last edited by BWX; Jan 10, 2007 at 05:34 AM.

May 11, 2006, 08:36 AM	Thread Starter #3
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	__________________

May 11, 2006, 08:58 AM	#4
mainman Mr. Nobody Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: OmniPresent Nightwatcher Posts: 5,961 Rep Power: 69	OMG!! That wheel looks awsome!!! ermm just looked at the price...ouch... __________________

May 12, 2006, 01:55 AM	Thread Starter #5
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Yeah but for a hardcore sim racer- that is cheap! LOL __________________

May 12, 2006, 01:04 PM	Thread Starter #6
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	__________________

Sep 10, 2006, 10:59 AM	#8
Erroneus Get off my lawn! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 13,343 Rep Power: 114 System Specs	Damn it's more worth and better looking than my real car! __________________

Sep 10, 2006, 06:53 PM	#9
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	$300 ain't bad, really....you consider a top end mouse is $100, and this is 3 components....$100 each

Sep 10, 2006, 07:21 PM	#10
Erroneus Get off my lawn! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 13,343 Rep Power: 114 System Specs	Well that aint to bad actaully all though it means price here in Denmark is properly around 425$. __________________

Sep 10, 2006, 09:36 PM	Thread Starter #11
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Yeah for what it is, it isn't expensive, it actually a good deal.. BUT.. it is expensive.. You better like race sims if you buy it. __________________

Sep 10, 2006, 09:54 PM	#12
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 66	GTR2 and that... I'd be in heaven

Sep 10, 2006, 10:02 PM	Thread Starter #13
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	or that-- http://www.race-game.org/ click on the "Eurosport editorial: WTCC aces testing RACE" for a movie testing that game and that wheel.. That picture on the bottom left. They also show one of these: http://www.force-dynamics.com/video.html Yeah it will be nice with GTR2.. I Have a feeling that's going to be a fun race-sim type game. __________________

Sep 25, 2006, 12:28 PM	Thread Starter #14
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	An informative review with a 150 MB high res movie.. http://www.hardware.info/en-US/artic...wheel__Review/

Sep 25, 2006, 06:18 PM	#15
Erroneus Get off my lawn! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 13,343 Rep Power: 114 System Specs	Nice, thanks for the link to the review. Looks awesome! __________________

Oct 9, 2006, 10:01 PM	Thread Starter #16
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Another video from a review.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRpsp0-O3aU&eurl= Looks like a translation but understandable. http://www.paperboots.net/?p=738#more-738 And some internal pics of the shifter from that review.. EDIT- - LOL - 13,295 views for this thread.. (as of Oct 9th) and it comes up very high on the list when you type in Logitech G25 in google. I wonder if it is just because of my personal search records it does that on google or does it do that for everyone when they type in "Logitech G25" in Google w/o quotes? Last edited by BWX; Oct 9, 2006 at 10:10 PM.

Oct 9, 2006, 10:13 PM	#17
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 66	Logitech is hasn't prereleased the wheel to many sites or magazines yet so information is scarce You have been a gold mine for many, I'm sure I hope I may soon be able to add to your information

Oct 9, 2006, 10:36 PM	Thread Starter #18
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Yeah it is kind of a slow release .. people all over the world getting it at different times. I need to wait a while to buy it, just don't have the fundage right now, but hopefully soon! I also want to see if it comes down in price at all, I think it might get down to around 200 USD or so in a couple months. So even if I had extra 270 bucks or so to blow this second, I would still wait to see what happens with the price when more places have them available. You can get one at Dell right now for instance.. http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...9&sku=A0739532 and a lot of other places have had them in stock, then sold out, etc.. Pretty soon I think lots more places will have plenty of them.

Oct 11, 2006, 10:12 AM	#20
Erroneus Get off my lawn! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 13,343 Rep Power: 114 System Specs	Damn it's slick and at a 285$ price here in Denmark, it's extremly tempting, nobody has it on stock though __________________

Oct 31, 2006, 08:24 PM	Thread Starter #22
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	18,482 views! Availability is very limited now.. hopefully in a couple weeks there will be more around.

Oct 31, 2006, 08:44 PM	#23
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 66	Tell me about it.... I can't even get my hands on one to review

Oct 31, 2006, 08:57 PM	Thread Starter #24
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Dell has them in stock here in the US.. And I heard Fry's does. But there was an initial release, then they dried up. Some people in Europe are having a real hard time getting one though, they never even got the first round of them.

Nov 2, 2006, 07:43 PM	Thread Starter #25
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	I just got a bunch of e-mail notification updates from many e-retailers that they have some in stock.. and one from Logitech too. http://logitech.links.channelintelli...-0403&nRGID=49

Nov 5, 2006, 11:44 PM	#26
BG_Geno DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	G25 Review Not to spam but you guys seem to be interested in the G25 and there is a review posted: http://boxgods.com/dept/hardware/ind...Article&ID=223 Also, Dell has em in stock too. G Last edited by BG_Geno; Nov 5, 2006 at 11:46 PM. Reason: Added Dell

Nov 14, 2006, 06:06 AM	Thread Starter #28
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Woot Wow over 20,500 page views.. Nice. These are widely available now, and the prices are starting to come down. I don't have one yet to report on, but hopefully soon. Examples.. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...872998-7507353 http://www.buy.com/retail/product.as...07&dcaid=15975 http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...9&sku=A0739532 http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductD...=07-15344526-2 http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_g...g_us_e_s&skd=1

Nov 16, 2006, 11:58 PM	#29
Turboready DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Hi Guys, I am a noobie. Amazing forum. Just one question for the G25 users, I have heard that the clutch has a switch instead of a pot, is this true? Thanks.