GeforceFX 5800 Ultra Scrapped

Andrew275 · Feb 8, 2003, 03:32 AM

Taken from [H]ard|OCP's front page:

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As we noted here Thursday, the GeForceFX 5800 Ultra will never make it to retail. Those of you that PreBuy the cards will still get an Ultra model with the FX Flow cooling unit. Those who don't will have the opportunity to get the non-Ultra version (500/800) off the retail shelves for a price of US$300.00 although the price is not confirmed.

This is obviously a major blow to nVidia.

P-FUNK · Feb 8, 2003, 04:18 AM

HEHEHEHE!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
Looks like Nvidia is runnin scared and and scattering around quickly to find an answer to the new r350 chip ATI has for their ASS!!!! You GO ATI!!!!
Show them who's boss!!! I think its really funny how ati is able to get this type of performance with lower clock speeds and ddr1 memory!!! ..can't wait till they come out with higher clock speeds and ddr2 BABY!!!I also think with the performance/value ATI has been pushin out lately it is far superior to anything nvidia has to offer (present and future). And the drivers we all know have gotten tremendous since the catalyst suite was launched. So these reasons and this unfortunate news from nvidia will only help turn nvidia loyals away to ATI!!!

tazdevl · Feb 8, 2003, 04:20 AM

Unless things were running at a loss (R&D are sunk costs, don't make it into P&L)... I'm freaking amazed.

This would make a great case for Bschool.

Channelsurfer · Feb 8, 2003, 04:28 AM

While I would agree that the whole GFX experience is a major blow to Nvidia, I take my hat off to them for finally admitting defeat and admitting the card is no good by not releasing it.

There was an incredible amount of hype concerning this card, and yes, they sure did their best to hurt rival ATI. Although I am certain many did not purchase 9700's as they expected Nvidia to best them, I believe nvidiots and the company itself, will be more mature players now in the market after this hard earned lesson.

CherryPopper · Feb 8, 2003, 04:44 AM

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There was an incredible amount of hype concerning this card, and yes, they sure did their best to hurt rival ATI. Although I am certain many did not purchase 9700's as they expected Nvidia to best them, I believe nvidiots and the company itself, will be more mature players now in the market after this hard earned lesson.

Well said 8500 DV

Necrosis · Feb 8, 2003, 04:45 AM

You would figure they still would do a limited run with them to help make up for the cost of R/D. I wonder if anyone lost their job over this?

DriveEuro · Feb 8, 2003, 04:57 AM

I'm not sure if I believe it..........but damn. I wouldn't be surprised.

tazdevl · Feb 8, 2003, 06:28 AM

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Originally posted by Necrosis
You would figure they still would do a limited run with them to help make up for the cost of R/D. I wonder if anyone lost their job over this?

Remember, it was an investment into a core... the NV3X is more than the NV30. As I said before, R&D is a sunk cost.

I'd sell any nVIDIA stock you have at the moment because the market is going to pound the hell out of them or short it at a minimum. Big part of the semiconductor industry is not only having good financial performance, but also having the top performing product. nVIDIA has had a big hole in their lineup and will have for quite some time. I also doubt that we will see the NV35 before the R400, all companies say they are going to refocus, redirect their resources etc... after they got the spanking that nVIDIA has.

DriveEuro · Feb 8, 2003, 06:30 AM

Wanna know why it is a dud? So that it could bring the R350 out. So then nVidia can release it's card with the .09 micron structure.

X-Reaper · Feb 8, 2003, 06:31 AM

PNY has updated there webpage and removed the ULTRA name. They lowered the specs too.

http://www.pny.com/home/products/Vcard_fx.cfm

GeForce FX Specifications
CineFX Engine providing cinematic-quality special effects
400MHz core Clock
400MHz memory clock (800 MHz Effective memory Clock)

tazdevl · Feb 8, 2003, 06:37 AM

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Originally posted by DriveEuro
Wanna know why it is a dud? So that it could bring the R350 out. So then nVidia can release it's card with the .09 micron structure.

The only folks releasing a .09m semiconductor product this year will be Intel. The other fabs just don't have the resources to pull it off.

The NV35 is a .13m part as is the R400. Things haven't scaled to a point where .09m is required... especially considering that the parts haven't yet been manufactured with low-k.

DriveEuro · Feb 8, 2003, 06:44 AM

low-k? Low what? kelvin? I'm lost.

Zardon · Feb 8, 2003, 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by Necrosis
I wonder if anyone lost their job over this?

more than likely.

raid517 · Feb 8, 2003, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by Necrosis
You would figure they still would do a limited run with them to help make up for the cost of R/D. I wonder if anyone lost their job over this?

Yeah and maybe a lot more will, so don't gloat people. Without NVIDIA there would be no pressure for ATI to innovate so the pace of develpment would be greatly slowed. As much as peeps here love ATI (which is odd to love a private company) you have to admit NVIDIA are good for graphics card development. So ok they built a turkey with this one, but not being one who is incumbered with a false sense of loyalty, if NVIDIA did come up with a superior product next time round I would be more than happy to consider buying it. For me its about the best, no matter who the best might be.

Q

PS

Nice to see the thread where someone praises ATI customer support to the n'th degree has been locked. My own experience, not comming from Canada, or the USA is that ATI customer support (particularly in Europe) is non existant. But hey ho, I guess the thread was locked as you aren't meant to be 'critical' (or tell the truth) about ati here. I will still buy the fastest card I can get in March. I don't care if its based on the R350 or the NV35. All I care about is speed/price and decent customer care. There are still areas here that ATI can work on.

WarGun · Feb 8, 2003, 09:37 PM

What does this look like?

VIA currently plans on becoming much more competitive in the graphics sector with the release of their forthcoming Columbia GPU, a DX9 part due out late this year. We've heard claims as wild as NV30-like performance out of Columbia when it ships but seeing that NV30 is little more than numbers on paper right now, it's quite simple to make such claims; when push comes to shove, it will be interesting to see whether Columbia ends up being the C3 of graphics chips or something that exceeds all expectations.

i posted a tread here sometime ago about the AGP slot running its course.. well i think it has. here is what VIA is up to. and Nvidia is also well on thier way with thier NForce Boards. I think we all know what this means...GPUs will be slapped right on mobos in the future. Or Zif socketed so consumers can upgrade....upgradable GPU ram anyone?

this is just my 2 cents...i could be wroung but if im not... will ATI stand a chance against VIA and Nvidia??

Zardon · Feb 8, 2003, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by raid517
PS

Nice to see the thread where someone praises ATI customer support to the n'th degree has been locked. My own experience, not comming from Canada, or the USA is that ATI customer support (particularly in Europe) is non existant. But hey ho, I guess the thread was locked as you aren't meant to be 'critical' (or tell the truth) about ati here. I will still buy the fastest card I can get in March. I don't care if its based on the R350 or the NV35. All I care about is speed/price and decent customer care. There are still areas here that ATI can work on.

The thread is not locked http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=10708 its in the ATI general forum so if you disagree please post. The thread in the news forum is a mirror with a link in the first paragraph as its also front page "news".

I dont appreciate you saying we are biased to ATI, as im not (I just currently believe they sell the best products at the best prices), ive owned 3dfx/nvidia all my life and I dont close threads based on opinion differing to my own and I certainly wouldnt allow my moderation team to do so either. if you dont like ATI customer support go post it and your reasons why and experiences.

Your comment on telling the 'truth" is hardly fair comment either as the member on the board is posting his experiences. because his differ to your own should this be a lie?

Matth · Feb 8, 2003, 11:11 PM

The loss of 3dFX was certainly regrettable - they did more to drive the pace of 3d graphics than anyone! - lets just hope we don't lose another.

ATI could drop the ball as well!

One big question though....

Who or what is actually driving this along now?
And who buys the colosally priced flagship cards?

DirectX 9, for instance - is there ANYTHING that needs/uses it?
Do the makers of 3d games say "We want THESE features, and to hell with performance on 95% of what's out there"?
Did Microshaft decree what was to be in the next hardware, like they dumped on anyone who still wants to use ISA cards?
Did the graphics card designers say "We're adding these features, make software for them"?

I can understand - FASTER, since more detail, more resolution, demands a faster card, but I don't rebuild my system just to suit jerks that cant write efficient code, or playable games that aren't dependent on visual effects alone.

Maybe we should lose BOTH Nvidia AND ATI.....

Desert_Siege · Feb 9, 2003, 07:16 AM

you have never played your favorite game with 6X AA and 16X Anso enabled...hehe. Once you have you will never go back

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DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Wanna know why it is a dud? So that it could bring the R350 out. So then nVidia can release it's card with the .09 micron structure. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

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X-Reaper Postal2.com Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	PNY has updated there webpage and removed the ULTRA name. They lowered the specs too. http://www.pny.com/home/products/Vcard_fx.cfm GeForce FX Specifications CineFX Engine providing cinematic-quality special effects 400MHz core Clock 400MHz memory clock (800 MHz Effective memory Clock) __________________ Sof2 Multi name: {HAZARD}X-Reaper Snipers 4 Ever!

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Feb 8, 2003, 04:18 AM	#2
P-FUNK DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	HEHEHEHE!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! Looks like Nvidia is runnin scared and and scattering around quickly to find an answer to the new r350 chip ATI has for their ASS!!!! You GO ATI!!!! Show them who's boss!!! I think its really funny how ati is able to get this type of performance with lower clock speeds and ddr1 memory!!! ..can't wait till they come out with higher clock speeds and ddr2 BABY!!!I also think with the performance/value ATI has been pushin out lately it is far superior to anything nvidia has to offer (present and future). And the drivers we all know have gotten tremendous since the catalyst suite was launched. So these reasons and this unfortunate news from nvidia will only help turn nvidia loyals away to ATI!!!

Feb 8, 2003, 04:28 AM	#4
Channelsurfer DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 81 Rep Power: 0	While I would agree that the whole GFX experience is a major blow to Nvidia, I take my hat off to them for finally admitting defeat and admitting the card is no good by not releasing it. There was an incredible amount of hype concerning this card, and yes, they sure did their best to hurt rival ATI. Although I am certain many did not purchase 9700's as they expected Nvidia to best them, I believe nvidiots and the company itself, will be more mature players now in the market after this hard earned lesson.

Feb 8, 2003, 04:45 AM	#6
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	You would figure they still would do a limited run with them to help make up for the cost of R/D. I wonder if anyone lost their job over this?

Feb 8, 2003, 09:37 PM	#15
WarGun DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 249 Rep Power: 0	What does this look like? VIA currently plans on becoming much more competitive in the graphics sector with the release of their forthcoming Columbia GPU, a DX9 part due out late this year. We've heard claims as wild as NV30-like performance out of Columbia when it ships but seeing that NV30 is little more than numbers on paper right now, it's quite simple to make such claims; when push comes to shove, it will be interesting to see whether Columbia ends up being the C3 of graphics chips or something that exceeds all expectations. i posted a tread here sometime ago about the AGP slot running its course.. well i think it has. here is what VIA is up to. and Nvidia is also well on thier way with thier NForce Boards. I think we all know what this means...GPUs will be slapped right on mobos in the future. Or Zif socketed so consumers can upgrade....upgradable GPU ram anyone? this is just my 2 cents...i could be wroung but if im not... will ATI stand a chance against VIA and Nvidia??

Feb 8, 2003, 11:11 PM	#17
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	The loss of 3dFX was certainly regrettable - they did more to drive the pace of 3d graphics than anyone! - lets just hope we don't lose another. ATI could drop the ball as well! One big question though.... Who or what is actually driving this along now? And who buys the colosally priced flagship cards? DirectX 9, for instance - is there ANYTHING that needs/uses it? Do the makers of 3d games say "We want THESE features, and to hell with performance on 95% of what's out there"? Did Microshaft decree what was to be in the next hardware, like they dumped on anyone who still wants to use ISA cards? Did the graphics card designers say "We're adding these features, make software for them"? I can understand - FASTER, since more detail, more resolution, demands a faster card, but I don't rebuild my system just to suit jerks that cant write efficient code, or playable games that aren't dependent on visual effects alone. Maybe we should lose BOTH Nvidia AND ATI.....

Feb 9, 2003, 07:16 AM	#18
Desert_Siege Professional Slacker Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: KY Posts: 274 Rep Power: 0	Hmmmm....sounds to me like you have never played your favorite game with 6X AA and 16X Anso enabled...hehe. Once you have you will never go back