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Old May 26, 2006, 12:21 PM   #1
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Microsoft Will Not Release DirectX 10 for Windows XP – ATI.

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Microsoft Corp., the world’s largest maker of software, will not release next-generation graphics application programming interface (API) called DirectX 10 for the currently shipping Windows XP operating system (OS), instead, the company will keep the new API strictly for the forthcoming Windows Vista OS, despite earlier assumptions about DirectX 10 for the XP.

During a DirectX 10-related event in London, UK, Richard Huddy, ATI Technologies’ software developers relations chief, said that Microsoft’s Vista will integrate DirectX 10 and DirectX 9 APIs for different types of hardware, but the current Windows XP will not get DirectX 10 support, as suggested some rumours earlier. For end users this means that to get the most advantages of the new-generation graphics processing units (GPUs), the new OS will be required.
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Old May 26, 2006, 12:38 PM   #2
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Which actually means r600 is only running at "full speed" when using Vista, since it should be a dx10 card.

Interesting move, proberly gonna piss of alot of people Personally i dont care, since I'm gonna upgrade to Vista anyway, since i get it free through my work.
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Guess I'll be stuck on x9 for a year. Whoopee do, I'm not moving to a new OS just to get a little better graphics. I'll move when I'm ready, and when all the bugs have been worked out.
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sounds fair enough to me...XP creeping up on 5 years old now.


More reason for me to go to vista I guess
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More work for the game designers then, and more bugs for us no doubt.
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Never, ever go over to a new operation system! I've always waited atleast 6 months til they get their bugs fixed and most of applications are moved on to Vista. Imo, Vista is nothing new. There's absolutely nothing left of those good and great features M$ promised. It's like XP with new UI, but i'm sure they'll draw that UI too, because "they can't finish that in time". Vista will be mine with new PC, not sooner. M$ sucks!
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i agree! not touching vista until sp1 is released for it. that also gives everbody else time to get up to speed.
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I held out for XP at least a year after it was released. When I had found a legit copy for only $99. (OEM version from local Computer shop..bless those guys) It's going to take a long time for Vista to iron out the 'issues' that's for sure.
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They will not release DX10 for XP because Microsoft does not want you to know how much faster games would run under Xp than that bloated peice of crap they call Vista. The result: nobody will write DirectX 10 games.
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Yeah for me XP is gonna be it,for a long while,somebody will get DX 10 out for us Xpers soonner or later.We've supported Gates for long enough,time he "GAVE US " something,...
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They will not release DX10 for XP because Microsoft does not want you to know how much faster games would run under Xp than that bloated peice of crap they call Vista. The result: nobody will write DirectX 10 games.
while i dont think that is completely true it is a good point. ms is either going to have to 'support' dx10 game developers or come out with an option for xp.
i think it will take much longer for vista to become widely accepted than it did xp. for several reasons - 98se was ok, me was crap so the void for a good os was there. this is not trie for vista. - migrating from 98(whatever vers) to xp was not a problem as far as harware went. this is not true for vista. - xp works great imo, why fix what is not broken. - & cost, not counting the hardware factor, buying new ms os's is ridiculously expensive.
i dont think us xp users have anything to worry about on the game front for quite a while yet.
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Sooner or later...

I will need to upgrade my computer at some point, AGP->PCI-EX, DDR->DDR2, Single Core->Dual Core and so on, so when Vista matures (i, like Mike2h said, will wait for SP1)
and alot of current software, games and drivers are ported (or however that works), then i will jump to Vista. Or, wait for Vienna
Quad Core CPU, nVidia SLIX (6 GPUs ) or X3400XTX, DX10 and Vista , we're all gonna be there eventually.

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Yeah, because Vista is a whole year away and it'll get probably get delayed again and again. By the time Vista will be out, ppl have some uberpowered PCs with 3-4 GB of RAM and quad-core CPUs and whatever else... So hardware isn't going to stop ppl use Vista. What is going to stop ppl from using Vista is that Vista will suck bigtime...As all M$ OSes have sucked after release - because of bugs and unoptimisation. Bill just needs some leverage to FORCE ppl buying Vista and use it!

I, personally am not going to buy Vista. Hell, i haven't even bought XP (yeah, shame on me, it's legal though ). Vista will be piece of shit for about 6-8 months after it's releasem because there will be very many security holes...My XP is now safe and solid, why should i get expensive piece of shit that has more holes in it than swiss cheese!
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They just better release vista before I graduate college, so I can grab a free license through our MSDN academic alliance.
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i agree! not touching vista until sp1 is released for it. that also gives everbody else time to get up to speed.
wise man, vista beta 2 while decent is certainly not a patch on XP, after 1 week solid stress testing the thing is a total resources hog. They NEED to start optimising this before final release, but as mike said, id wait until im forced to use it before ditching XP.
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They just better release vista before I graduate college, so I can grab a free license through our MSDN academic alliance.
While I'm with everyone else about waiting until SP1 comes out before going to vista, I do hope I'll still be in school when that happens so I can grab it at a discounted rate
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Yeah, if they think they can shove their new buggy-ass OS and integrated DRM on me like that, they got another thing coming.
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Never, ever go over to a new operation system! I've always waited atleast 6 months til they get their bugs fixed and most of applications are moved on to Vista. Imo, Vista is nothing new. There's absolutely nothing left of those good and great features M$ promised. It's like XP with new UI, but i'm sure they'll draw that UI too, because "they can't finish that in time". Vista will be mine with new PC, not sooner. M$ sucks!
I see you've been reading entirely too much of the beta-version coverage... I went to XP in '01, before SP1, in fact, and never regretted it. It was stable and I had no shortage of drivers--but lack of driver support was why I skipped Win2k (and never regretted that, either.) Noticed immediate and worthwhile gains over Win9x--too many to count, actually. Going to Vista will allow me to skip Win64 (although I did use the trial version for awhile) and, as I think Win64 served as a Vista testbed of sorts, I'd be surprised if Vista wasn't at least as good as XP was when it was released--at least, as good in comparison with XP right now as XP was better than Win9x at release. Hope so, anyway...
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wise man, vista beta 2 while decent is certainly not a patch on XP, after 1 week solid stress testing the thing is a total resources hog. They NEED to start optimising this before final release, but as mike said, id wait until im forced to use it before ditching XP.
You are not the only one doing that
When I must get vista I get the pre-paid version heard that it's like pre-paid mobile subscription....
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From everything I have seen so far, the system requirements for Vista are so high because of all the extra layers of code added to the operating system. Everything must pass through several layers of new code (the framework) to work. Basically, everything you do will have a large section of extra code running in the background, sucking away precious resources (CPU and memory). The only thing good is the 3D user interface...but that is all being done by the graphics card, not Vista. XP should be able to run the same thing much faster or with much less memory/cpu requirements. The large requirements are not due to Vista doing lots of cool new things.
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after all this i might just switch to mac osx…
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Nice way to treat customers...

And the world wonders why there is piracy

I will switch to a new OS when I"M ready, not when Bill tells me to.
As mentionned above, I think its time to give MacOSX a shot.

And imagine the poor souls going out buying PCs right now..
How happy will they be when they learn their newly purchased machine is already on Bill's chopping block.
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From everything I have seen so far, the system requirements for Vista are so high because of all the extra layers of code added to the operating system. Everything must pass through several layers of new code (the framework) to work. Basically, everything you do will have a large section of extra code running in the background, sucking away precious resources (CPU and memory). The only thing good is the 3D user interface...but that is all being done by the graphics card, not Vista. XP should be able to run the same thing much faster or with much less memory/cpu requirements. The large requirements are not due to Vista doing lots of cool new things.
Yeah.. just like that damn .net crap we harp about now, this is only getting worse huh? One of the main reasons I choose to use Omega's drivers is that I don't need .net and that bloated CCC stuff. Sounds like Vista is going to be 10x worse.
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Unless they change it in the final release it already is. multitasking with 2 gig of ram with apps like photoshop/dreamweaver/flash is at least 2 times as slow as XP currently and ill certainly not be ditching XP. God knows how games are going to run.......
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I wonder what kind of Antipiracy activation will have these new POS

I had enough with the Legit XP Activation
After formatting my HD 3 times a message appeared that i had to buy a new licence from Microsoft Costumer service according Microsoft information

WTF !!
THESE IS UNACCEPTABLE
i can not format my OWN PC Hard disk more than 3 times !?!?
What M$ is thinking...System Restore is crap and does not solve serious problems

After that no more Legit Windows XP for me (f*ck Microsoft....Warez Rulezzz)

Lets see what the Vista Activation crap has now to say with all the new and wonderfull bugs that will surely have when it will be released

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I wonder what kind of Antipiracy activation will have these new POS

I had enough with the Legit XP Activation
After formatting my HD 3 times a message appeared that i had to buy a new licence from Microsoft Costumer service according Microsoft information

WTF !!
THESE IS UNACCEPTABLE
i can not format my OWN PC Hard disk more than 3 times !?!?
What M$ is thinking...System Restore is crap and does not solve serious problems

After that no more Legit Windows XP for me (f*ck Microsoft....Warez Rulezzz)

Lets see what the Vista Activation crap has now to say with all the new and wonderfull bugs that will surely have when it will be released
Well, when I made upgrade my OEM WinXp started to give mee trobule.
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From everything I have seen so far, the system requirements for Vista are so high because of all the extra layers of code added to the operating system. Everything must pass through several layers of new code (the framework) to work. Basically, everything you do will have a large section of extra code running in the background, sucking away precious resources (CPU and memory). The only thing good is the 3D user interface...but that is all being done by the graphics card, not Vista. XP should be able to run the same thing much faster or with much less memory/cpu requirements. The large requirements are not due to Vista doing lots of cool new things.
I wonder, why are they putting in those extra layers of code? Are they just fuckers who "encourage" ppl to buy better machines or they "need" those layers of code for protection and stability or smth...I'm 99.9% sure that it's the first option.
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