ATI loses bus license from Intel

Iria · Jul 24, 2006, 08:35 PM

Source: TG Daily
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Following the rumors about a possible merger between AMD an ATI, Intel apparently pulled ATI's bus license. According to a brief article posted by the Inquirer just before the AMD/ATI news was announced, Intel may take taken this action already a few days ago.

In a conference call earlier today, AMD said that it would expect Intel to stop ordering ATI chipsets for its entry-level motherboards sometime in the future, but expressed hope that customers would continue to ask for ATI chipsets on Intel boards and force Intel into buying chips from its new rival.

Thanks to BWX for the head's up.

Retarp · Jul 24, 2006, 08:42 PM

That really stinks, I happen to like the ATI chipset for the Intel chips. I've used both generations with very good results.

IamLakota · Jul 24, 2006, 10:12 PM

Wow!! NV move on in!

SFOSOK · Jul 24, 2006, 10:16 PM

Intel is actually a horrible company with very shady business tactics. If they don't get what they want they try to hurt as much people as possible. Wehn my friends comp company refused to sign only with Intel, they started to spread rumors to his suppliers and tried to undermine his entire business...

So thats why I will never, ever buy Intel.

Zardon · Jul 24, 2006, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFOSOK

Intel is actually a horrible company with very shady business tactics.

Well I gotta say it, do you think any other company is "nicer?", they are all out to make money, and as much as possible. Are you referring to any one event in particular that intel were behind or just an overview of everything you have read?

Not being confrontational btw, just curious as to what made you think intel are worse than, for example AMD.

OmegaRED · Jul 24, 2006, 10:37 PM

Its a pretty dumb move if they were smart Intel could be taking profits from ATI's success (and therefore AMD) instead of cutting them off completely. Its definately done to slight AMD/ATI rather than put the consumers best interests in mind.

Hopefully a merger with AMD means ATI can end its crossfire BS and come up with a unique system.

Tipstaff · Jul 25, 2006, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaRED

Its a pretty dumb move if they were smart Intel could be taking profits from ATI's success (and therefore AMD) instead of cutting them off completely. Its definately done to slight AMD/ATI rather than put the consumers best interests in mind.

Hopefully a merger with AMD means ATI can end its crossfire BS and come up with a unique system.

Actually, Intel couldn't keep the license agreement with ATI. Simple reason: conflict of interest on ATIs part. Inorder for ATI to make Intel chipsets Intel would have to turn over information on current and future CPUs. Otherwise ATI wouldn't know how to properly produce the chipset to support the processor, never mind the fact talk to Intel to work the kinks out. Doing that now that AMD has purchased ATI would be like supplying your enemy with specs for all future weapons. No way in hell Intel was gonna do that.

What people don't know is that this started 6 months ago when the first rumors started floating around that AMD was interested in ATI. Back then Intel made the decision not to renew the agreement. And what Intel SHOULD have done months ago was aquire ATI themselves. Instead they went and made a deal with Nvidia for their chipsets, now you'll be seeing Intel made boards with nVidia chipsets coming out pretty soon.

CDsDontBurn · Jul 25, 2006, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tipstaff

And what Intel SHOULD have done months ago was aquire ATI themselves. Instead they went and made a deal with Nvidia for their chipsets, now you'll be seeing Intel made boards with nVidia chipsets coming out pretty soon.

that'll be a weird site to see. nVidia chipsets on Intel boards. i mean, i've seen them around, but to be used so commonly like how AMD uses the nForce chipset will be weird.

pr0digal jenius · Jul 25, 2006, 06:26 AM

no....what will be interesting is what the third party vendors will be doing....like Asus

CDsDontBurn · Jul 25, 2006, 06:28 AM

what is ASUS doing?

inform me please

pr0digal jenius · Jul 25, 2006, 06:39 AM

no clue.

what I mean though, is whatever Asus, Abit, and others buy in to is what will ultimately be the decisive factor.

Tipstaff · Jul 25, 2006, 08:06 AM

As long as there is a demand, and as long as they can be ashured of chipsets for whatever product they build for that demand, it'll be business a usual for them.

What Intel should do is sign the damn SLI licensing agreement with nVidia (if they haven't already). No matter how many times I talk to Intel they refuse to acknowledge or deny whether they have or haven't signed an SLI deal. Strange thing is that while they acknowledge the nVidia deal for chipsets they tapdance (another word for refuse) around what one. Wanna know something really interesting: when I asked Intel straight up if it was for the nForce590, all I got was, "Sorry, but we can't discuss that specifically."

An Intel made board (err.. um. Foxconn made), with an nForce590 SLI chipset. That would be an awesome sight to see.

SFOSOK · Jul 25, 2006, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

Well I gotta say it, do you think any other company is "nicer?", they are all out to make money, and as much as possible. Are you referring to any one event in particular that intel were behind or just an overview of everything you have read?

Not being confrontational btw, just curious as to what made you think intel are worse than, for example AMD.

Well Intel aproached my friend and offered him a deal but they would have to be his only supplier for CPUs. When he turned them down they started getting other compained to turn business away from his company. I find it quite unprofessional and childish on their part.

I can't say I find AMD better or worse because I have not really seen their business tactics with towards buyers.

But just by the way Intel handled the situation I lost any respect I had for them.

Tipstaff · Jul 25, 2006, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFOSOK

Well Intel aproached my friend and offered him a deal but they would have to be his only supplier for CPUs. When he turned them down they started getting other compained to turn business away from his company. I find it quite unprofessional and childish on their part.

I can't say I find AMD better or worse because I have not really seen their business tactics with towards buyers.

But just by the way Intel handled the situation I lost any respect I had for them.

Don't lose respect for Intel on that one. If you know the guys name call Intel up to complain. It's actually a very common sales practice by the worst kind of salesmen, and Intel frowns heavily on that kind of salesmanship. And if you think it's just Intel salespeople, you'd be wrong. Some AMD salesmen do the exact same thing. Hell, even nVidia did this... with a little more finese, I might add.

Believe me, if you report the guy Intel will take actions against that person.

mainman · Jul 25, 2006, 08:21 PM

This all situation is messed up.

OldBuzzard · Jul 25, 2006, 09:36 PM

Intel is the "Head Weasel" in the computer world.

They have a LONG history of shady and/or illegal business practices. I'd quit building/buying puters if Intel became the only CPU manufacturer.

Anyone here remember the 'Big Brother' number that Intel tried putting in the P1 or P2 series processors?

And, to tell the truth, Nvidia isn't a whole lot better. Remember the BLATENT (and maybe still ongoing) cheats that they used for benching purposes?

Call me an AMD/ATI fanboy if you want, but I look at MORE that just price/performance when I buy ANY merchandise, and one of the things I look at is the company's business practices. In that area, Intel is sorely lacking

Vampyromaniac · Jul 26, 2006, 04:27 AM

Hmmm....
Intel: ATI Bus License Still Go

SFOSOK · Jul 26, 2006, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tipstaff

Don't lose respect for Intel on that one. If you know the guys name call Intel up to complain. It's actually a very common sales practice by the worst kind of salesmen, and Intel frowns heavily on that kind of salesmanship. And if you think it's just Intel salespeople, you'd be wrong. Some AMD salesmen do the exact same thing. Hell, even nVidia did this... with a little more finese, I might add.

Believe me, if you report the guy Intel will take actions against that person.

I just may do that to see their stand point on it.

Erroneus · Jul 26, 2006, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vampyromaniac

Hmmm....
Intel: ATI Bus License Still Go

Well thats good news, they cant live without ATI

Personally I'm looking forward to RD600 alot

Tipstaff · Jul 26, 2006, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vampyromaniac

Hmmm....
Intel: ATI Bus License Still Go

That story doesn't really say much though. Intel would never revoke the license agreement, but they almost ashuredly will not renew it. Even if they don't renew it ATI can still release the RD600 since it was designed under the current license, they just won't be able to create future Intel chipsets without permission to do so.

And no, Intel is not dependant on them for their Xpress 200 chipset. Yes, they do sell 2 boards that uses that chipset, and even though at least one of them is one of Intels highest volume selling boards to date, they can again choose not to renew the contract for future purchases. Serioiusly, it's just 2 boards that use that chip. And since Intel is switching to DDR2, it would have been just one board by mid year. Just remember, Intel made the deal with ATI to buy the Xpress 200 chipset as a way to relieve the problem they were having coming up with suffcient chipsets of their own. Doing it this way allowed them to meet the demand for their boards, generating income from the sale of their own boards, all while still meeting the demand for their own chipsets. Since it worked out so well they went and signed the deal with nVidia for their chipset (at least according to their internal PR guys). Even if they lose ATI they will still have their own chipset AND nVidias. So no, they are not dependant on ATI... to some degree, quite the contrary, cuz ATI wouldn't be making $100 million a year from the sale of an Intel based chipset.

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Jul 24, 2006, 08:35 PM	#1
Iria DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,275 Rep Power: 89	ATI loses bus license from Intel Source: TG Daily ________ Following the rumors about a possible merger between AMD an ATI, Intel apparently pulled ATI's bus license. According to a brief article posted by the Inquirer just before the AMD/ATI news was announced, Intel may take taken this action already a few days ago. In a conference call earlier today, AMD said that it would expect Intel to stop ordering ATI chipsets for its entry-level motherboards sometime in the future, but expressed hope that customers would continue to ask for ATI chipsets on Intel boards and force Intel into buying chips from its new rival. Thanks to BWX for the head's up. Last edited by Iria; Jul 24, 2006 at 08:40 PM.

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