Nvidia Hit With New Class Action Threat Over Windows Vista Glitches

Vikingod · Apr 25, 2007, 02:46 PM

Source: Yahoo!
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A new Web site seeking support for a class action suit against video card manufacturer Nvidia has appeared on the Internet.

A message on the site -- NvidiaClassAction.info -- asks consumers who purchased the high-end Nvidia 8800 card with the intention of installing it on Windows Vista-equipped PCs to join the proposed lawsuit.

"Nvidia said the 8800 was built for Windows Vista ... it is anything but," said Dan Goldman, the site's founder, in an interview Tuesday.

blown503 · Apr 25, 2007, 03:48 PM

Its not that Nvidia sent out cards that wont work right, [COLOR="Red"]ONCE AGAIN MICROSOFT HAS MADE A BROKEN PRODUCT AND MAKES US SUFFER.[/COLOR] The cards work great with winxp so that means Microsoft is at fault, again.

Zardon · Apr 25, 2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blown503

The cards work great with winxp so that means Microsoft is at fault, again.

So Microsoft are to blame for every company who can't get great drivers out? What about AMD/ATI? all the other companies who have good drivers out? Should Microsoft get kudos for that?

The new nvidia drivers seem pretty damn good to me anyway. Society is at the stage were people sue over anything, ridiculous.

GutterPunk · Apr 25, 2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blown503

Its not that Nvidia sent out cards that wont work right, [COLOR=red]ONCE AGAIN MICROSOFT HAS MADE A BROKEN PRODUCT AND MAKES US SUFFER.[/COLOR] The cards work great with winxp so that means Microsoft is at fault, again.

Well, they say it works on vista, so who's fault is it? Nvidia Marketing or what?

dipstick · Apr 25, 2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

So Microsoft are to blame for every company who can't get great drivers out? What about AMD/ATI? all the other companies who have good drivers out? Should Microsoft get kudos for that?

The new nvidia drivers seem pretty damn good to me anyway. Society is at the stage were people sue over anything, ridiculous.

Totally agree. It was a rough start for nVidia but things are looking pretty good now. Personally, I think all this effort would be much better spent pointed towards Creative.

Fantastic Avatar btw

mike2h · Apr 25, 2007, 04:27 PM

i think ms released a godd product in vista. i think nv screwed the pooch. i have also been underwhelmed with ati/vista drivers...
some of you guys should remember that xp had similar issues, as did 98 & 95 before it. anybody that adopts a new os upon its release(& 1st couple of months) is just asking for problems. especialy gamers.
im with dipstick, creative blows.

Zeph · Apr 25, 2007, 07:21 PM

nVidia is indeed having terrible driver support right now, but the card works. I dont see how a class action lawsuit can come out of this. Yeah, I'm ticked that nVidia cant get me a good 7900 GS mobility driver for my notebook running Vista, but I wouldn't dare consider taking part in a class-action lawsuit against them.

calidan · Apr 25, 2007, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dipstick

Totally agree. It was a rough start for nVidia but things are looking pretty good now. Personally, I think all this effort would be much better spent pointed towards Creative.

Fantastic Avatar btw

I don't know about anyone else but I am NEVER going to buy a Creative product again. Their WinXP drivers are still crap. I get popping every once in a while playing music, games, or whatever.

Back on topic, I'm not surprised nVidia had trouble with Vista drivers. What do people expect from a product that hasn't been out not even 6 months? I'm referring to Vista by the way.

Judas · Apr 25, 2007, 09:36 PM

vista probably had the most time to get fully clothed (driver support from mutliple vendors)... I mean, look how long it was in the beta stages and RC for that matter.

IF ATI was able to produce a working set of Pre RC and RC drivers (well except for quite a few having issues with one of the sets, but hey, RC

)

I swear, ATI's 7.1 launch was very much solid, and each one is getting better, tye 7.3 BSOD was a bit of a trip and stumble, but ati worked that through fairly quickly.

Nvidia, out of the gates, as far as i've seen, has had numerous issues across all platforms.

dipstick · Apr 25, 2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by calidan

I don't know about anyone else but I am NEVER going to buy a Creative product again. Their WinXP drivers are still crap. I get popping every once in a while playing music, games, or whatever.

Wish we had a choice tbh. Unfortunately, for all of us that want the best in-game sound and performance, Creative is the only way to go

I would love to see some competition in the gamers sound department. Anything decent to make Creative shiver even a little would be nice

Sorry for going OT guys

Tipstaff · Apr 25, 2007, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Judas

vista probably had the most time to get fully clothed (driver support from mutliple vendors)... I mean, look how long it was in the beta stages and RC for that matter.

IF ATI was able to produce a working set of Pre RC and RC drivers (well except for quite a few having issues with one of the sets, but hey, RC

)

I swear, ATI's 7.1 launch was very much solid, and each one is getting better, tye 7.3 BSOD was a bit of a trip and stumble, but ati worked that through fairly quickly.

Nvidia, out of the gates, as far as i've seen, has had numerous issues across all platforms.

Well said, Judas.

I'm quite sure Nvidia literally waited until Vista was out before they started to seriously work on their Vista drivers. It's one thing to possibly have issues with a card that was released just before Vistas launch (but if you've spent millions of dollars devloping a card that is "Built for Vista" then you'd think this card would have problems in XP, not Vista), but what about all their other lines of cards? Seriously, look how long it's taken them to get SLI working. One driver release adds support for this card in SLI, but none of the others, and so on. These cards have been out way longer, and you don't have Vista SLI support for them at launch? Pah-lease.

Speaking of SLI, have Nvidia even got DX10 SLI support for the 8xxx series cards yet? Probably not, right?

This is one instance where you can't fault Microsoft for this. Nvidia was being lazy. Plain and simple. And now they're paying for it.

Judas · Apr 25, 2007, 11:18 PM

What's really REALLY interesting.

Is that i get a HUGE boost within vista and games playing under vista when crossfire enabled,

Before XP would see no more performance boost beyond the 50% mark at the absalutely best of times, where as within vista, i'm seeing on average of anywhere from 50-90% and even 100% performance boosts just by turning on crossfire.

Now reading more on the DX10 setup, even if the cards don't natively support DX10's features, the whole API itself is designed for Multi GPU configurations without to much hassle. If i understood what i was reading, getting Crossfire or SLI configurations to work under the Vista OS should be Several times easier, and also should show vast improvements. Being that the 7.1's launched with Crossfire support (even if it was slightly buggy at times) I don't think I could ask for anymore in the vista department on the first official launch.

REGENERATION · Apr 25, 2007, 11:39 PM

Same view:

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Microsoft is offering information, SDKs and more information for manufacturers for almost more then two years. The only reason they fucked up is because they wanted to hit the stores earlier then ATI, due to marketing reasons. Their software developers probably said that G80 is not fully ready, and the engineers probably said the same as well, but the smart marketers told them to fuck off and to launch it anyway. They don’t care if its 100% ready or not, they launched it for marketing reasons; and its unethical.

A few days after they launched it, they found it that something is fucked up with some of cards, and they had to call it up. Now they kept their mouth closed until Vista came out and everyone whined about the horrible support, so they told all the developers to leave everything and to cover their asses by focusing on ForceWare Vista Driver. Why do you think there isn’t any official GeForce 7-4 ForceWare driver for six months? They are working hard to cover their mistakes with the early G80 launch.

If Nvidia doesn’t give a shit about us, and they prefer to screw us over just to hit the stores earlier then ATI, then my next DX10 GPU would be ATI’s. I’m not going to buy a product from a company that just care to screw his competition and less care for the customer itself. Nvidia did a big mistake by launching the G80 so early, and now their customers are paying for their stupid mistakes.

They had two freaking years to work on their Vista driver and they screwed up. And the fact they are fully focused on Vista now, is just proving my claims. As I said, my next GPU will be the R600 because of Nvidia’s unethical behavior. It was a good idea to keep my money in my pockets and to wait for the R600 instead of buying ‘unfinished’ product. That what happens when your marketing department is taking over the entire company.

REGENERATION · Apr 25, 2007, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blown503

Its not that Nvidia sent out cards that wont work right, [COLOR=Red]ONCE AGAIN MICROSOFT HAS MADE A BROKEN PRODUCT AND MAKES US SUFFER.[/COLOR] The cards work great with winxp so that means Microsoft is at fault, again.

Like everyone already said, Microsoft has nothing to do with it. I don't like Microsoft either, but Vista is pretty nice. Nvidia is the one to blame but their latest driver seems to be fine. However, their NF4 RAID 15.00 driver is pretty buggy and gave me some hard time.

Necrosis · Apr 26, 2007, 12:08 AM

The only thing I can say partially is why this is happening is some thing called the 360. Anyway I haven't had any major issues, and what I have had has been Vista related. Still makes you wonder if AMD/ATI are having such users with their new hardware?

BlueMak · Apr 26, 2007, 08:46 AM

It would be nice if someone *cough* DH *cough* would ask (interview or something) Nvidia about it and get some straight answers.

Zardon · Apr 26, 2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueMak

It would be nice if someone *cough* DH *cough* would ask (interview or something) Nvidia about it and get some straight answers.

On what particularly? a class action threat or supposedly "poor" drivers?

Tipstaff · Apr 26, 2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueMak

It would be nice if someone *cough* DH *cough* would ask (interview or something) Nvidia about it and get some straight answers.

Now that I would like to see. I mean, honestly, which of the 2 questions (as Z pointed out, the lawsuit, or the poor drivers) do you think you would get an honest answer for?

For the first you'd probably get the, "We can't comment on pending lawsuits.", which would probably get you the, "There is no merit in this lawsuit." follow up. The other question would probably get you any one of (or a combination of) a dozen standard "deflect the blame/play dumb" answers, such as Vista being a new OS so there's always hurdles to overcome, didn't expect to have these issues, these are isolated cases, it's "not as bad as people, or the media is making it out to be", "What issues? I'm not aware of any issues?!", or the infamous "Do you work for AMD? Are you an AMD fanboy? Get your ass outta here!", and so on, and so on.

Or the ever popular, "Don't blame us, it's Microsoft's fault."

Oh wait.. that falls under the "deflect the blame" category, now doesn't it?

mike2h · Apr 26, 2007, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueMak

It would be nice if someone *cough* DH *cough* would ask (interview or something) Nvidia about it and get some straight answers.

this might give you some answers - http://xbitlabs.com/news/video/displ...412224213.html

Apr 25, 2007, 02:46 PM	#1
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	Nvidia Hit With New Class Action Threat Over Windows Vista Glitches Source: Yahoo! ___________ A new Web site seeking support for a class action suit against video card manufacturer Nvidia has appeared on the Internet. A message on the site -- NvidiaClassAction.info -- asks consumers who purchased the high-end Nvidia 8800 card with the intention of installing it on Windows Vista-equipped PCs to join the proposed lawsuit. "Nvidia said the 8800 was built for Windows Vista ... it is anything but," said Dan Goldman, the site's founder, in an interview Tuesday.

Apr 25, 2007, 03:48 PM	#2
blown503 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S. Indiana Posts: 573 Rep Power: 0	Its not that Nvidia sent out cards that wont work right, [COLOR="Red"]ONCE AGAIN MICROSOFT HAS MADE A BROKEN PRODUCT AND MAKES US SUFFER.[/COLOR] The cards work great with winxp so that means Microsoft is at fault, again. __________________

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mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	i think ms released a godd product in vista. i think nv screwed the pooch. i have also been underwhelmed with ati/vista drivers... some of you guys should remember that xp had similar issues, as did 98 & 95 before it. anybody that adopts a new os upon its release(& 1st couple of months) is just asking for problems. especialy gamers. im with dipstick, creative blows. __________________

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Zeph DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 190 Rep Power: 0	nVidia is indeed having terrible driver support right now, but the card works. I dont see how a class action lawsuit can come out of this. Yeah, I'm ticked that nVidia cant get me a good 7900 GS mobility driver for my notebook running Vista, but I wouldn't dare consider taking part in a class-action lawsuit against them. __________________

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BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,475 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	It would be nice if someone cough DH cough would ask (interview or something) Nvidia about it and get some straight answers. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Apr 26, 2007, 12:08 AM	#15
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	The only thing I can say partially is why this is happening is some thing called the 360. Anyway I haven't had any major issues, and what I have had has been Vista related. Still makes you wonder if AMD/ATI are having such users with their new hardware?