Vikingod

Source: NGOHQ
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Dear Mr. Hector Ruiz,

After I've heard your speech at the American Antitrust Institute in Washington, D.C., I couldn’t hold myself, I had to write this down. First of all, I agree that you have some valid complaints about Intel, but you, your lawyers and your folks took it way too far. You’re making it look like Intel is forcing others not to sell by placing military troops at your doors, or uses extreme tactics, which is not true. Secondly, you can’t even compare between Intel and Microsoft.

|2A|N

He has a point, but I don't think it will be taken seriously.

OmegaRED

Please tell me you're kidding Regeneration.

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bug77

He's just trashtalking.
Nothing interesting in there.

mike2h

be nice, he is obviously very sensitive...

aside from that i agree that amds $$ & energy could be better used elsewhere. if there was some sort of egregious offense then they should go to court, but imo this is waste of money at a time when they really dont have it to waste.

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brutusmaximus

dear lord, more high quality editorials from everyones favorite tech site NGO - im sure Hector "held himself" (so elliquently put) long enough to bin it and quickly run to the toilet afterward. Its just the rantings of the owner/admin and the kind of "editorial" (and I use this term loosely, it wouldn't even make a semi sane forum rant) many kids think of in their head but thankfully don't have the platform to publish it on the net. Unfortunately for everyone this idiot does. and you know what, more mentions of "lawsuits"!. shocker.

"Do you know what your problem is?

Your marketing simply sucks, and you think the entire world is based on the United States. "

I mean does anyone expect that the CEO of a billion dollar company is going to take the time to even read this crap nevermind reply to it ? It took all my willpower to even type this short post, and I hope to god DH doesn't start giving more airplay to this utter fool. An absolute excuse for "journalism" at the lowest level.

let me leave you in the immortal words of Regeneration (from this article), self proclaimer defender of the justice "You do have the stuff, but you guys think that we are still living in a cave, and the only way to leave the United States, are by these old ships with sails. Get over it!. So after I ate, I want to buy new shoes, and as you know already, everyone knows Nike. Do you get my point? Now if I will ask someone about Intel or Pentium, they will probably know what I’m talking about... "

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bug77

I don't think this letter is addressed to the AMD CEO. It's simply meant to paint a grim picture of AMD. Wouldn't surprise if he was paid to write it.

Marketing? I mean, come on, AMD had about 30% market share in Japan before Intel started 'offering discounts'. After that AMD's quota went straight to 0%. 'Forget about lawsuits and concentrate on the marketing', what is this guy, 15?

mainman

What the hell is wrong with you? No, seriously, what is your problem? From someone with your "superior intellect" one might think that you can actually read and comprehend your native language. This is in no way meant to be an editorial nor does this serve to be something of that sort. This is part of a new forum section in his site, a blog section to be very clear. The idea is to have a place to rant off and let off some steam about anything you feel pertinent to the industry or anything else for that matter.
This personal vendetta against that site or site owner is becoming really ridiculous, aren’t you supposed to be a “lawyer” of some sort? Don’t you have more important things to do with your time then to constantly flame other people? You really need another hobby because this one is obviously very stress inducing, summer is here, go out and get some sun, you’ll feel better afterwards.

Zardon

ok firstly, this is a forum, we encourage debate. this is what it is for. secondly brutusmaximus, and mainman tone it down. I am aware brutus has an issue with regeneration and vice versa, but we really dont need admins or mods on other sites coming in here and making matters worse.

I don't want any personal arguments ruining debate, we are closing way too many threads here lately and it will stop, or people will leave, simple as that.

if you wish to debate this news post then feel free to do so, but how about you all try and tone it down.

brutusmaximus

My problem is reading analysis from a guy who quite clearly has no idea what he is talking about on my favorite tech site, driver heaven. if this nonsense is kept on NGOHQ thats fine by me, but unfortunately for whatever reason I see more and more of this rubbish on the front page of Driver Heaven. So I guess my problem is admins on NGO using DH as a sounding board to get rubbish, poorly written and nonsensical rantings from a clearly unstable person seen to the masses. Weren't both you guys removed from here before anyway? yeah ive been around just not posting much.

Well once regeneration starts writing in my native language I might understand him, but I didn't major in "gibberish", until that day I really have a hard time understanding him. It's a blog but yet it is addressed to AMD CEO? its filled with nonsense and what? am I spot on with my analysis of this "page?"

Well it succeeded, so kudos

All he does is rant man, on forums, and in articles, most of his "articles" are rants at someone or something in the industry, adding a "blog" aspect to it is hardly original is it ?

I have no personal vendetta with "the site owner" on NGO, I just think he is in the wrong industry, he would actually make a great person to write a rant column in a local newspaper, but his knowledge of technology, the industry and how everything works is strictly through the eyes of a 15 year old, like someone else in this thread said. If you don't like my honest opinions and want me to just keep the peace and say "OMG this article rocks, I learned so much, thank you guys for waking me up", you are sadly mistaken. In fact if it stayed on NGO I wouldn't have a problem with it at all, i stopped going there years ago after the "warez" article and a graphics card review, which quite honestly looked like they were written by a schoolkid (no offense but its the truth). My problem is that they are NOW on Dh and I don't want to read them, am I not allowed to share my views on these news posts because you want everyone to like them?


Well I think your mate has been in the sun too long so it might be best to get him indoors for a while until he cools off. It is totally embarassing.

I would also like to thank Zardon for reopening this and I apologise in advance if I have annoyed the moderators or anyone else on this site (although for some reason Mig was quoting text that regeneration said thinking I said it??), but im used to speaking my mind and I love this site so much, I hate to see this kind of gibberish polluting the great news on the front page of this site.

I will not make anymore posts in this thread but I need to air my views, after all ive been a member here since 2004.

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Vikingod

Wow, I honestly didn't think this was going to get such a heated response. First, in defense of my posting this... personally, I try to keep the news I post to show a broad spectrum. I have no agenda to my news postings, and I have no affiliation to other tech sites. Quite frankly, I posted this article because it was there for the posting and thuoght might get a few interesting comments.

The idea that its presence somehow taints the DH front page is a bit of an insult. Personally, I feel that if I was to censor what news gets posted, I'd be cutting the readers short. News posts aren't always supposed to be agreed with by everyone, especially a blog.

This goes to everyone reading the news in general. If you don't agree with an article, tell why in a post. It makes for interesting conversation and, in the case a sub-par or misinformed article gets some attention, can "debunk" whatever errors are stated, so long as the response is based in fact.

brutusmaximus

Well I said I wouldn't reply again, however as you made a comment I would like to say something.

I apologise if I insulted you (honestly), you guys post great news and its my home page, and quite a few people I work with as well. However, I don't think this kind of article is worthy of a front page newsposting, perhaps im in the minority but this isn't news, it isn't well written and it isn't getting debate for any good reason apart from irritating a few members in the thread. everyone I know thinks NGO is a joke site but maybe again it has a cult following?! (stranger things have happened). I can't even begin to imagine how many company executives who visit the front page of DH (hundreds each day im sure). Giving this airplay on a respected site like DH just seems to be verifying it.


So again, I apologise to you and the other mods/newsposters. you are doing a stellar job and i guess if I have to live with one badly written "NGO" bitchfest a week then ill deal with it, but please no more !

Thanks Vikingod.

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MIG-31

If you care to take a little time to read you're pm's i sent you a little apology.(and you may see why).

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Vikingod

@ brutus

There's no need to apologize, but thank you.

I see your point, but I think the misconception lies when people think that because it's posted, it is somehow endorsed. In many situations, even with something like a video card or game review, the representations of the article being posted might not jive with what DH has previously said. But we try not to block these articles for the sake of not being oppressive.

REGENERATION

Yes, I used extreme design to make my point clear. It is not that competitive after they launched it so late and priced so close to the GTS.

Painting the grim picture is needed to offer alternatives. They are spending so much time, resources and money on that case while we all know it will lead to no-where, even if they win. You should read the entire post, not just an half. All I say is that they should focus on more important tasks like products and marketing rather then wasting their time on nonsense. They are blaming Intel instead of solving their own problems.

I'm not sensitive, I just don't like flaming, If you have argument with your buddies, do you start to insult/swear them? No, neither do I.

I'm the only admin from 'other sites' here. He tried to protect me as a friend.

It has nothing to do with the subject/news. It is something personal against me (bias?), every time I post something, he’s flaming me without any relation to the subject (Example here). Even if I would say ‘Look! The skies are blue!’ he would reply with: ‘No, you’re an idiot, blah blah blah, the skies are red’.

Zardon

Many of my mods have brought this up and asked me to look at it and intervene and to be honest I have spoken with this guy and he says he has no vendetta against you, he also says he will not flame you anymore, however he is strongly against everything you say and doesn't agree with your opinions.

I also think you can give as good as you get Regeneration so im really not sure it warrants moderator intervention. I mean your article has stirred up interest, perhaps not for all the right reasons but at least people are reading it, right?

I think you guys just need to accept you will never see eye to eye and learn to coexist on the forums in a way that means we won't need to close the threads or issue warnings.

We don't want to issue warnings, all you guys here are adults, and should be mature so let's see you all act that way. I really will not want to get the mods to step in and start removing people, its important we all try and get on to a certain degree. I as much as all of you im sure hate oppressive forums, right?

However im really going to need to curb these personal insults in future and the mods are going to be keeping the peace, so please, bear this in mind everyone.

REGENERATION

Totally cool and agreed, I want to focus on this subject, and surely not to ruin discussions. But I have this feeling.. this guy has something personal against me, because he's always going to other directions (NGOHQ, Warez Editorial from almost a year ago, ‘idiot from the east’, etc..).

We can’t have discussions if he’s always changing the subject and trying to flame me on personally basis. This example here proves he’s not flaming because of the content, but because my nickname is ‘Regeneration’. If he can’t reply to me without bias, then what is the point in having discussions? I can guess what he’s going to say.

Sandok

Well to get a bit more on subject, I gott say I sorta agree with the article... Marketing is everything and Intel has that covered... AMD, while facing tons of other hardships really doesn't know how to sell a product.

kris23

well though the rant was a little awkward and weird....... it still has some truth.

i mean AMD's business is almost completely word of mouth..... no one really knows of them and only real enthusiasts know they exist..... for me, its almost like 1 in 4 people actually know how to service their system and usually one of those people either never knew about AMD or thought they were just some second rate, backwater company that wouldn't be a wise buy..... back then that was far, WAAAY FAR, from the truth.... for me, before i was into computers, when i saw AMD and their clock speeds and just laughed and said i would never buy them!

well now.... lets face it, their processors suck now, they are only good for the value set of things and even that is failing fast with intel's pentium dual-core line..... if they shift conroe to pentium then they're toasted. fanboys are what seems to be keeping them alive

they are in one hell of a situation now and i am probably going to get an AMD system to replace my trashed pile since they are better than what i currently have at the very least...... they really need to get into actually marketing, even if they win, no one is going to take them seriously

they are spending money they just about dont have, and if they don't shut up and find a way to save themselves they will get swallowed by intel and everything will go out of wack

they need to actually fix their products and push out something completely new and groundbreaking, then push their products into advertising and i wouldnt be surprised if they scooped up more than half the marketshare from intel in a few years

but i hope they actually have a few years........

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Da_Jewish_Fonzy

Don't forget that before C2D came around Intel sucked for a very long time, years actually. Why everyone is so hard on AMD now is beyond me, give them some time they got new stuff on the horizon.

I'd personally hate to see a world with just one choice, competition is great for the consumer, I mean this July 22nd we are going to be able to buy quad cores for a couple of hundred bucks!

temeteus82

I'm gonna ad my few cents in this now. I got my CPU at the time when the golden age was it's end for AMD. Now they must figure how to beat Intel as they did in the past. As Hornet said we need Intel and AMD to compete each other so that we (consumers) would have the best products at the best price. I think that AMD should focus their energy and money to make good CPU's and GPU's for the market!

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mike2h

i thought this was self evident...

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kris23

well..... the only reason intel lost to AMD was laziness and underestimating the competition..... same reason AMD lost to intel now.... if they could just KEEP pounding out top performing equipment, neither would be dead..... except intel of course could pound harder because they are like 5x richer than AMD sadly.....


c'mon AMD get some ads in!

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Vikingod

Honestly, I think the big problem with AMD is something that has happened to most successful company's... growth. Its terribly hard on the company, especially one where R&D spending is so high. It strains capital, racks up debt, and allows little room for error. Look at it this way, in 2002, revenues were 2.7MMM dollars, in 2006 they were 5.6MMM. Thats more than double, in just a few short years. They didn't know how to cope with it, and are paying the price now. Intels move with the C2D didn't help them, and neither did the r600 (read: little room for error). The lag in the industry really hurt them there.

I think they are learning from their mistakes though. The future looks bright and they are a wiser company, and now people actually know who they are (thanks in part to the athlon and X2, as well as the ATI aquisition).

This is pretty simplified, but I don't really have time to get into it too much (consumer/commercial products, product diversity, fabs, etc.). In short, I think if they can get over the hump, get a competitive product out there in both CPU and GPU varieties, they will be fine. It seems they still have the hearts of the enthusiast, now they need the eye of the mainstream.

OldBuzzard

So, AMD should worrying about their lawsuit, and just let Intel continue to pay people to not buy AMD processors? That's what Intel has been doing for years, and is a major reason why AMD is where they are. By all rights, given the cost/performance advantage that AND had since the K-6 was released (at least until the C2D) AMD should have had close to, if not more than 50% of the market.

Granted that AMD's marketing isn't the greatest, but with the way Intel has been supressing their sales over the years, AMD had to make a choice of what to do with what revenue they did have. Would you have wanted them to skimp on R&D at the expence of Marketing? Would you have rather had a well advertized K-6, or a poorly advertized 6000+ X2?

The gratituious (sp?) swipe at AMD for ATI's 'failure' with the R600 is just asinine. AMD had nothing to do with it, and to even mention the two in that context just make you wonder about the validity of the rest of the 'letter'.

Quite frankly, after reading it, all I can say is, "Move along, there's nothing to see here".

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Prince_Link

i have actually seen some AMD ads here in Aus, but they are rare as hell,

the only real advertising they get is if HP or DELL are selling a machine with a AMD processor in it, but thats rare as well due to Intels little schemes,

AMD just needs to kick it up a notch with self advertising.

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The_Neon_Cowboy

UMMMM AMD for the longest time ever had a retailer program and last I herd
they still do but it not like the old days ie discounted products. But it loaded with
info about their products... quizzes etc....

Basically the anti trust suits have merit. As for the litigation? well it a form of advertising of it own obviously hes herd of them, thus herd of AMD. Thus he
been advertised to just didn't know it. PR is PR. The headlines on every
finical/bussiness/tech/news site and every newspaper in print is PR in the
likes money can't buy...As well as in the end they will get thier ALL money spent back plus a sizeable lump of intels cash. maybye you'll get that advertiseing you want who knows... Ive been advertised to enough thank you. AMD's allways been more about the price/perfomance and letting the rest do it self. Wich is why it took off like gasoline on a fire in a maret dominated by intel. Intel needs to take its lumps for unfair practices I'll leave it at that.

As for the world population um that includes children, and adults, including and people in old folks homes most of which would go computer? as well as people who live in huts with dirt floors who would also say electricity? little lone CPU amd or Intel LOL...

As for bumming AMD's ceo for ATI's baby? What good is that? Sure the to
market R600 had AMD's touch on it. But AMD didn't make it as in the way it
was ATI's baby from the drafting boad up. Wait a year then you can say
something. Seems your more irrated with "ATI" and epectations of the R600
series. Then AMD per say...


oh boy, i could ague with quite of bit of this letter but the point is mute I think.
I don't feel the need to waste pages upon pages and hours of everyones time.

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