Microsoft exec calls XP hack 'frightening'

Iria · Nov 14, 2007, 11:15 PM

Source: ZDNet
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A Microsoft executive calls the ease with which two British e-crime specialists managed to hack into a Windows XP computer as both "enlightening and frightening."

**kris23** · Nov 14, 2007, 11:29 PM

another win for vista

OmegaRED · Nov 15, 2007, 12:11 AM

Quote:

applying Service Pack 2 to XP, with all the patches applied, and running a secured wireless network is "perfectly sensible way to do it."

Another win for Xp SP2?

BlueMak · Nov 15, 2007, 12:14 AM

I haven't read the article, but are there still people without SP2 installed for XP?

OmegaRED · Nov 15, 2007, 01:19 AM

There's tons of them using Sp1, even on DH there's people who confess to boycotting Sp2.

Zelig · Nov 15, 2007, 01:52 AM

There are no winners here.

Boycotting SP2 for XP is moronic, it's just a roll-up of security patches, all the extra features can be disabled. It doesn't add anything which can possibly be viewed as undesirable.

BlueMak · Nov 15, 2007, 02:12 AM

Why no SP2?

**kris23** · Nov 15, 2007, 02:16 AM

probably dumb shit like they already bought sp1, why should they get sp2 kinda shit

OldBuzzard · Nov 15, 2007, 03:59 PM

From the article:

"...connected a machine running Windows XP with Service Pack 1 to an unsecured wireless network. The machine was running no antivires, firewall, or anti-spyware software and contained a sample target file of passwords to be stolen."

PULEEESSSEEEE...that's like having an 18 yr old nekkid cheerleader bending over and saying "Do me baby".

CDsDontBurn · Nov 15, 2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kris23

another win for vista

nope. it's a win for winXP sp2 and for secured networks

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a SOCA representative said that applying Service Pack 2 to XP, with all the patches applied, and running a secured wireless network is "perfectly sensible way to do it."

Matth · Nov 15, 2007, 06:17 PM

Even a "secure" wireless network, if access can be bought by the hour, would be no better, as you are exposing a computer to an untrusted LAN, where many firewalls will default to lower security on local address.

It's been said time & time again, an unpatched (or Sp1) Windows XP will be PWNED by the time you download the updates, unless you have the protection of a NAT router, and untrusted systems get on the LAN side of the router, then the router is no help.

How can systems get on the LAN side of your router?
1. Wireless, unsecured
2. Wireless, WEP security, cracked by packet sniffing
3. Wired or wireless, guests

Unless you know your LAN is completely secure and under your complete control, have software firewalls treat it the same as the "internet zone".

Robert McClelland · Nov 15, 2007, 06:19 PM

I have no issues lol

CDsDontBurn · Nov 16, 2007, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert McClelland

I have no issues lol

Nov 14, 2007, 11:15 PM	#1
Iria DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,275 Rep Power: 89	Microsoft exec calls XP hack 'frightening' Source: ZDNet _______ A Microsoft executive calls the ease with which two British e-crime specialists managed to hack into a Windows XP computer as both "enlightening and frightening."

Nov 14, 2007, 11:29 PM	#2
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	another win for vista __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 15, 2007, 12:14 AM	#4
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,465 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	I haven't read the article, but are there still people without SP2 installed for XP? __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Nov 15, 2007, 01:19 AM	#5
OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,688 Rep Power: 173 System Specs	There's tons of them using Sp1, even on DH there's people who confess to boycotting Sp2. __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs

Nov 15, 2007, 01:52 AM	#6
Zelig HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,187 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	There are no winners here. Boycotting SP2 for XP is moronic, it's just a roll-up of security patches, all the extra features can be disabled. It doesn't add anything which can possibly be viewed as undesirable. __________________ --

Nov 15, 2007, 02:12 AM	#7
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,465 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Why no SP2? __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Nov 15, 2007, 02:16 AM	#8
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	probably dumb shit like they already bought sp1, why should they get sp2 kinda shit __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Nov 15, 2007, 03:59 PM	#9
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,783 Rep Power: 145 System Specs	From the article: "...connected a machine running Windows XP with Service Pack 1 to an unsecured wireless network. The machine was running no antivires, firewall, or anti-spyware software and contained a sample target file of passwords to be stolen." PULEEESSSEEEE...that's like having an 18 yr old nekkid cheerleader bending over and saying "Do me baby". __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Nov 15, 2007, 06:17 PM	#11
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	Even a "secure" wireless network, if access can be bought by the hour, would be no better, as you are exposing a computer to an untrusted LAN, where many firewalls will default to lower security on local address. It's been said time & time again, an unpatched (or Sp1) Windows XP will be PWNED by the time you download the updates, unless you have the protection of a NAT router, and untrusted systems get on the LAN side of the router, then the router is no help. How can systems get on the LAN side of your router? 1. Wireless, unsecured 2. Wireless, WEP security, cracked by packet sniffing 3. Wired or wireless, guests Unless you know your LAN is completely secure and under your complete control, have software firewalls treat it the same as the "internet zone". __________________ Mary had a little lamb, Her father shot it dead Now Mary takes her lamb to school, Between two crusts of bread

Nov 15, 2007, 06:19 PM	#12
Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Somewhere in Wood County Ohio Same Town :) Posts: 10,647 Rep Power: 196 System Specs	I have no issues lol __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun" http://www.speedtest.net/result/1949536385.png