What Went Wrong with Windows Vista?

Iria · Dec 6, 2007, 09:55 PM

Source: Microsoft Watch
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December is the month for year-end reviews. We begin our first 2007 look back by offering 10 reasons why Vista failed to "WOW" consumers or businesses.

BlueMak · Dec 6, 2007, 11:17 PM

Deja Vu?

YAYitsAndrew · Dec 7, 2007, 12:19 AM

People are still writing about vista? I thought everything ever had already been said and reading this article, it looks like I was right.

|2A|N · Dec 7, 2007, 02:00 AM

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Maybe more people just need someone like you to show them Vista, so they can appreciate it.

Use Vista for a year like I have and then install Windows XP.. I bet you will appreciate XP a hell of a lot better than Vista now and will never look back. Vista just isn't the OS Microsoft intended it to be especially from a gamers standpoint.Yes Vista works but XP just works better right out of the box. Hopefully they will build Windows 7 around XP's foundation and keep Vista on the bench where it belongs! Scrap it and build something more conservative!

Judas · Dec 7, 2007, 02:46 AM

I've installed vista several times... and xp several times..

after using vista and installing it and setting it up.... i've grown to hate XP more and more..... it's just OLD and sluggish and imo useless in comparison....

IMO

Vista Home Premium is more then what most people need..

Vista ultimate is a joke... IF vista ultimate included a "Gold Windows Live!" account just for having it... i would definitely find it it more reasonable.. specially if the account never expired...

Falstaff · Dec 7, 2007, 03:12 AM

because people still remember Windows Millenium and bloat ware.

Zelig · Dec 7, 2007, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by |2A|N

Use Vista for a year like I have and then install Windows XP.. I bet you will appreciate XP a hell of a lot better than Vista now and will never look back. Vista just isn't the OS Microsoft intended it to be especially from a gamers standpoint.Yes Vista works but XP just works better right out of the box. Hopefully they will build Windows 7 around XP's foundation and keep Vista on the bench where it belongs! Scrap it and build something more conservative!

This is an argument that doesn't work. I use both XP and Vista on a daily basis, and properly set up on modern hardware, unless you're running obscure academic type programs that don't get updated for compatibility, XP doesn't do anything better than Vista.

Nobody is ever going back to the Windows XP code, the NT 5.1 kernel is ancient. Even XP Pro X64 is based off of Windows Server 2003, as opposed to the original XP. Windows Home Server was the last OS of the NT 5.x line, Server 2008 is using the same codebase as Vista, and Windows 7 should be up to NT 7.0.

Thankfully, XP sales stop soon, so the debate about XP's utility on new computers will be good and dead after that.

thomasabarnes · Dec 7, 2007, 05:04 AM

I'll tell you why I don't like Vista. There is most always some security pop up when ever you want to run a program or something simple like that. This makes using Vista a pain in the neck! And I would agree with the author of that article that this is one of the reasons Vista is not as succesful as Microsoft wanted it to be.

I'll be staying away from Vista until I see that some windows updates and/or service packs makes Vista better. I really dislike how a user has to put up with all the pop ups encountered in Vsta, I mean there a pop up even if you want to copy a file from one folder to another. That's just stupidly ridiculous IMHO.

Zelig · Dec 7, 2007, 05:20 AM

The UAC popups take about 20 seconds to permanently disable.

YAYitsAndrew · Dec 7, 2007, 07:59 AM

I still have mine on, they're not nearly as annoying as people say.

FuNsTeR · Dec 7, 2007, 08:10 AM

now that vista is up and running on my machine .... i have noticed it boots quicker and loads quicker compared to XP ... still plays the games i played on XP .... its stable and it has a nice clean interface

oh and i am running home premium

BlueMak · Dec 7, 2007, 08:32 AM

I have found Vista a better OS. More stable, it feels more secure, better looking. Funny things, I had better luck running out of the box old Windows games under Vista than under XP. Without compatibility fixes, tabs, checks etc. Case in point Pacific General.
Also some newer (but still old) games that have stopped working under XP due to stupid Nvidia issues, they still work fine under Vista.
About the pop ups, security alerts. I believe they are doing lots of damage cause people get sick of them and disable them in the end. I don't mind them, but I do see myself if I move to Vista, (cost is the only factor so far) disabling them.

I don't know, I think partly the reason for some people getting all excited is that Vista is new and XP is old, like an old friend that has many faults, but you already know him, where Vista is better looking, better alltogether, but still a stranger. Like, WTF, who is this guy and why is he sitting on our table?

I have also noticed a lot of bad mouth for Vista coming out of people that
A) Have never, or more than 5 min, used Vista.
B) Used Vista with old hardware.
C) Users of other OSes, that for some weird reasons they have taken it as their personal crusade to find ways to bad mouth other OSes and try and attract more people to "their" OS, be it Linux or MacOS.
D)Users that use Windows XP that for whatever reason cannot move to Vista and out of spite they call names. Like that guy that can't get the specific girl and since he can't, he goes around and calls her slut behind her back.

Skull · Dec 7, 2007, 09:05 AM

vista is the better OS. first time microsoft have made an os more functional and stable than Mac OSX.

Skull · Dec 7, 2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by thomasabarnes

I'll tell you why I don't like Vista. There is most always some security pop up when ever you want to run a program or something simple like that. This makes using Vista a pain in the neck! And I would agree with the author of that article that this is one of the reasons Vista is not as succesful as Microsoft wanted it to be.

I'll be staying away from Vista until I see that some windows updates and/or service packs makes Vista better. I really dislike how a user has to put up with all the pop ups encountered in Vsta, I mean there a pop up even if you want to copy a file from one folder to another. That's just stupidly ridiculous IMHO.

Open Control Panel.
Under User Account and Family settings click on the "Add or remove user account".
Click on one of the user accounts, for example you can use the Guest account.
Under the user account click on the "Go to the main User Account page" link.
Under "Make changes to your user account" click on the "Change security settings" link
In the "Turn on User Account Control (UAC) to make your computer more secure" click to unselect the "Use User Account Control (UAC) to help protect your computer". Click on the Ok button.
You will be prompted to reboot your computer. Do so when ready.

Certainly shows you how "educated" the authors of these articles are, doesn't it ?

**dj_stick** · Dec 7, 2007, 09:16 AM

i haven't used vista, other than testing out a home basic machine when it was on display at work, but i have a copy of home premium on layby - will be interesting to see if i can get used to it or not

Dyre Straits · Dec 7, 2007, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by |2A|N

Use Vista for a year like I have and then install Windows XP.. I bet you will appreciate XP a hell of a lot better than Vista now and will never look back. Vista just isn't the OS Microsoft intended it to be especially from a gamers standpoint.Yes Vista works but XP just works better right out of the box. Hopefully they will build Windows 7 around XP's foundation and keep Vista on the bench where it belongs! Scrap it and build something more conservative!

That highlighted statement is very, very inaccurate.

First of all, when XP was in the same 'stage' as Vista is currently, people were having the same type of issues with it as people with Vista may be having now.

You have to remember, XP now has SP1 and SP2 and a TON of updates to make it work the way it does presently. So, that's not 'right out of the box' status.

Given the same type of SP treatment and updates, Vista will be immensely better than XP is or ever could be.

I've used Vista Home Premium for a few weeks now, and, the more I use it, the more I don't miss XP. Although, I do boot into XP from time to time mainly due to missing drivers for certain hardware. That, too, will become resolved in the same manner as the issues were with XP.

bug77 · Dec 7, 2007, 01:19 PM

So... Vista is great. Why isn't it adopted en-masse yet?

Dyre Straits · Dec 7, 2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bug77

So... Vista is great. Why isn't it adopted en-masse yet?

Did anyone here say it's 'great'? I didn't read that. Where did you read it?

Oh, I think you were being sarcastic.

Zelig · Dec 7, 2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bug77

So... Vista is great. Why isn't it adopted en-masse yet?

What qualifies as en-masse? Most PCs from the past year have been equipped with Vista, for people with older PCs than that, there's no compelling reason to upgrade, since XP is still a fair OS.

thunderclap · Dec 7, 2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Skull

vista is the better OS. first time microsoft have made an os more functional and stable than Mac OSX.

Wait... WHAT? Now that's just wrong.

Zelig · Dec 7, 2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by thunderclap

Wait... WHAT? Now that's just wrong.

That's what people using Mac OS want to think.

Vikingod · Dec 7, 2007, 02:47 PM

I'm holding my convictions for after SP1. I like Vista, but it needs some work, IMO. It is stable, very stable, I think. There are some annoyances, and gaming performance still isn't as good as XP, but over all, I think its as good if not better than XP was at this point in it's life.

Judas · Dec 7, 2007, 04:50 PM

the reason it's not adopted in mass is becausing prebuild manufacturers don't want to invest the time and resources in properly adopting it..

The want to just copy paste thier windows XP programs and systems over to vista.. and expect it to work.

I've recently have had more dell/compaq/hps in that simply DON'T WORK WORTH shit, crash all the time, uac pops up about 30 times in all of 1 minutes.... everything is a disaster on these machines.... and some of these people don't know any better that this is "not normal" for vista at all.

No one should have to DISABLE UAC... you shouldn't be receiving UAC related security messages that often..

Even on my machine, i run into a UAC perhaps only EVER when i'm installing something that requires admin rights.. other then that.. i've never ever EVER had it poppup again. Not running microsoft word/excel/photoshop CS3/90% of the games.

Load up the latest quicktime/divx and real alternative along with flash player and you shouldn't EVER run into a UAC poppup in IE (i don't install java, i find it's more then evil and route of alot of issues i've ran into on many machines... it's a dirty program imo)

fact is:

Anyone that has used VISTA on a properly Proffesionally setup system without all the garbage that dell or other manufacturers tend to through on just to cause problems it seems... will KNOW that vista is actually a DAMN good and smooth running, faster and more reliable OS by far...

I applaud Microsoft for release such an excellent OS out of the box... ME was a disaster, XP was a big freaking mess until SP1..... Vista.... initial launch is smooth as silk.. hell i had little to no issues with RC1 (RC2 doesn't count.. it was buggy lol)

And i can also confirm that some of the games that were a bitch to get working on XP actually work right outa the box with windows vista...

UT99 (GOTY) is one very good example.... Specially on dual or multi core CPUs and current hardware....

bug77 · Dec 7, 2007, 05:17 PM

Ok, I see now where I misunderstood.

You guys like running a rock-solid (?) OS. I just like running my programs/games.

thomasabarnes · Dec 7, 2007, 05:57 PM

Skull:

Thanks for the detailed info on disabling UAC in Vista. I did that for my sister's PC.

To all:

I'm still gonna hold off on using Vista at least until the first service pack. Another big issue for me with Vista is that I think there's a serious lack of software development for programs to run in Vista (for example, I haven't seen a good software firewall for Vista X64 with the functionality that popular firewalls for XP have), especially Vista x64. I know this is a problem with x64 OSs in general, but I don't like the lack of software development for native Vista software/programs.

I admit that with my dual core system, Vista x64 runs a lot of programs and things better, but my system was meant to be used primarily for music production, and there's not many music production related software developers releasing software for Vista x64 systems. Also, as someone mentioned earlier, I'm used to how to get around in XP, so this strange new Vista OS irritates me partially just because it's strange to me.

I tried Vista Ultimate x64 for about two months, and I'm just not impressed enough or persuaded it has a significant enough overall improvement to start using it (Vista) on a frequent basis.

However, I shall keep my eye open for Vista software developments that may make me want to try it out again. For now, I'm more of an XP guy. hehe

Dec 6, 2007, 09:55 PM	#1
Iria DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,275 Rep Power: 89	What Went Wrong with Windows Vista? Source: Microsoft Watch __________ December is the month for year-end reviews. We begin our first 2007 look back by offering 10 reasons why Vista failed to "WOW" consumers or businesses.

Dec 6, 2007, 11:17 PM	#2
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,465 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Deja Vu? __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

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YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	People are still writing about vista? I thought everything ever had already been said and reading this article, it looks like I was right. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

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Dec 7, 2007, 05:04 AM	#8
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,375 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I'll tell you why I don't like Vista. There is most always some security pop up when ever you want to run a program or something simple like that. This makes using Vista a pain in the neck! And I would agree with the author of that article that this is one of the reasons Vista is not as succesful as Microsoft wanted it to be. I'll be staying away from Vista until I see that some windows updates and/or service packs makes Vista better. I really dislike how a user has to put up with all the pop ups encountered in Vsta, I mean there a pop up even if you want to copy a file from one folder to another. That's just stupidly ridiculous IMHO. __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. SONAR X1D Expanded, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB x2 HDD 7200 rpm My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs

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Zelig HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,187 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	The UAC popups take about 20 seconds to permanently disable. __________________ --

Dec 7, 2007, 07:59 AM	#10
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	I still have mine on, they're not nearly as annoying as people say. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Dec 7, 2007, 08:10 AM	#11
FuNsTeR Caledonian and Proud Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Darkest Ayrshire Posts: 1,305 Rep Power: 88 System Specs	now that vista is up and running on my machine .... i have noticed it boots quicker and loads quicker compared to XP ... still plays the games i played on XP .... its stable and it has a nice clean interface oh and i am running home premium __________________ "They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear satanic messages ..... but that's nothing, if you play it forward it will install Windows"

Dec 7, 2007, 08:32 AM	#12
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,465 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	I have found Vista a better OS. More stable, it feels more secure, better looking. Funny things, I had better luck running out of the box old Windows games under Vista than under XP. Without compatibility fixes, tabs, checks etc. Case in point Pacific General. Also some newer (but still old) games that have stopped working under XP due to stupid Nvidia issues, they still work fine under Vista. About the pop ups, security alerts. I believe they are doing lots of damage cause people get sick of them and disable them in the end. I don't mind them, but I do see myself if I move to Vista, (cost is the only factor so far) disabling them. I don't know, I think partly the reason for some people getting all excited is that Vista is new and XP is old, like an old friend that has many faults, but you already know him, where Vista is better looking, better alltogether, but still a stranger. Like, WTF, who is this guy and why is he sitting on our table? I have also noticed a lot of bad mouth for Vista coming out of people that A) Have never, or more than 5 min, used Vista. B) Used Vista with old hardware. C) Users of other OSes, that for some weird reasons they have taken it as their personal crusade to find ways to bad mouth other OSes and try and attract more people to "their" OS, be it Linux or MacOS. D)Users that use Windows XP that for whatever reason cannot move to Vista and out of spite they call names. Like that guy that can't get the specific girl and since he can't, he goes around and calls her slut behind her back. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

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bug77 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: around Posts: 792 Rep Power: 0	So... Vista is great. Why isn't it adopted en-masse yet?

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Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	I'm holding my convictions for after SP1. I like Vista, but it needs some work, IMO. It is stable, very stable, I think. There are some annoyances, and gaming performance still isn't as good as XP, but over all, I think its as good if not better than XP was at this point in it's life.

Dec 7, 2007, 05:17 PM	#24
bug77 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: around Posts: 792 Rep Power: 0	Ok, I see now where I misunderstood. You guys like running a rock-solid (?) OS. I just like running my programs/games.

Dec 7, 2007, 05:57 PM	#25
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,375 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Skull: Thanks for the detailed info on disabling UAC in Vista. I did that for my sister's PC. To all: I'm still gonna hold off on using Vista at least until the first service pack. Another big issue for me with Vista is that I think there's a serious lack of software development for programs to run in Vista (for example, I haven't seen a good software firewall for Vista X64 with the functionality that popular firewalls for XP have), especially Vista x64. I know this is a problem with x64 OSs in general, but I don't like the lack of software development for native Vista software/programs. I admit that with my dual core system, Vista x64 runs a lot of programs and things better, but my system was meant to be used primarily for music production, and there's not many music production related software developers releasing software for Vista x64 systems. Also, as someone mentioned earlier, I'm used to how to get around in XP, so this strange new Vista OS irritates me partially just because it's strange to me. I tried Vista Ultimate x64 for about two months, and I'm just not impressed enough or persuaded it has a significant enough overall improvement to start using it (Vista) on a frequent basis. However, I shall keep my eye open for Vista software developments that may make me want to try it out again. For now, I'm more of an XP guy. hehe __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. SONAR X1D Expanded, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB x2 HDD 7200 rpm My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs Last edited by thomasabarnes; Dec 7, 2007 at 06:03 PM.