mike2h

one more time, what does your dislike of sony have to do with bd as a format. if that was true the only thing you should have to say is that 'sony sx' & leave it at that. but you dont.
dont get your reference to ld. it was a competitor to vhs, & even then the only advantage it had was better pix quality. you couldnt record with it so even if dvd hadnt come when it did, ld would have remained what it was - a niche product. it was never a competitor to dvd. ld was dead as soon as dvd hit the market.
your whole last paragraph is a ramble that has some facts in it but basically has nothing to do with anything as far as this discussion goes.
as i said before, we will never agree.

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mike2h

bd = Blue-ray Discs

you are probaly right about that though im not sure what you mean by 'to much detail'.

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BlueMak

Well, the best example, easier to explain, is for example in porn movies. There is only so much detail that you want to be able to see, for example skin conditions, bad make up, etc.

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Necrosis

Sony has the main rights to BD, so everything related to it they get a percentage of that sale of said product whether it be software or hardware related. Do you understand now?

My comments about LD was in reference to your memory of what technology was available in early 90's for HT. If LD was a competitor to VHS as you say. The reason it didn't succeed was due to cost of the hardware, and especially the movies. We had the same deal w/ HD-VHS, and DVDs. DVD was also on the horizon

Basically audio has had little or next to no effect on the sale of DVD. If anything it has helped the sale of HT equipment to embellish movies. When DVD was released for the first 5-7 years of it's life you be hard pressed to get a monitor that would do over 500 lines of resolution. Heck, it's only been in the last 2-3 years HDTVs have become priced low enough for most folks to afford. Still most households do not own a HDTV.

BD wouldn't be at it's current prices if not for HD DVD, The current competition has done this w/ the lack luster sales/acceptence of the PS3. Thus this is the reason the history of DVD, and related technologies were brought up.

To put this all in perspective your statement here says it all.

What is your chosen format? You made your choice ($500 discounted PS3) Blu-Ray. So now you must do everything you can to push it so your investment isn't wasted; no matter what comments, statements, or under lying supposed unbiased remarks you try to make. So yes this is a dead conversation since we just end up going in circles.

Necrosis

Well now we know BlueMak has a few HD porn movies.

mike2h

i wont bother with the rest of your post has it is just more of the same sillyness.
fyi, ps3 has many other uses than as a bd player, thought you should be aware of that. that way if hd dvd does win out i still have a very useful piece of equipment whos potential has yet to be fully tapped. & buying a hd dvd deck jusy aint a biggie, there is a good chance if this competition goes on for more than a another year ill be doing that anyway.
i really think that we will know wich way it is going to go by feb/mar.

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mike2h

porn movies are probably the worst example you can give think nec is right..

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calidan

And who do you think gets a percentage of the sales of HD DVDs? From what I've heard it hasn't been confirmed on what the royalties are and who gets them with Blu-ray sales. Most likely Sony will get some money but that doesn't mean they will be the only ones to profit from them.

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Veridian3

Everyone should just buy both types of drive and we can all live in peace

calidan

Or companies could support both and then we can choose what format we want.

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mike2h

as i have said before, the problem with 2 formats is that it keeps cost up. it SLOWS DOWN ADOPTION & stops various industries from committing fully to getting manafacturing costs down.
with 1 format everybody is on the same page, manafacturing costs go down faster becuase everybody is competing to produce the same thing cheaper & inovations come faster for the same reason.
people keep trying to apply busines models for other products to the home movie/media industry. it just doesnt work. dont beleive me, just take a real look at the industry & what has worked out for the last 20 years.

CALIDAN, while that is a good point it is falling on deaf ears.

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Judas

i think i already mentioned that LG has a roughly $300 drive that reads both BR/HD formats.....

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Necrosis

Toshiba, and so? I doubt we'll ever find out all about all the under the table deals that have been made on both sides.

Or both camps kiss, and make up then make players that play both. So in the end the consumer wouldn't have to care. Sort of like +/- R media. Thankfully companies like LG, and Samsung exist.

The way I look at it now if Blu-Ray does win out they'll have no excuse to jack prices back up. Having cheaper hardware available because of HD DVD hopefully would speed up the adoption. Now we just need studios doing decent transfers on older movies.

I believe we'll have to ask Neon to give up his pRon crown.

We already have very low prices due to the competition thus far. In fact prices that we wouldn't see for years if there was just 1 format. Sorry though it's different this time around. Sony learned their lesson w/ Betamax that they need help pushing a format. Just they didn't expect support Toshiba would have. Honestly the two biggest hurdles to overcome is DVD, and SDTV's.

Mr cairo

Cheers but i figured that out in the post immediatly after my original question

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thunderclap

You did but that would end up being a very small percentage of sales. The true sales item that needs to be pushed is the set top players as that what is what Joe Public wants.

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Judas

Yes that's true to.. but that just means that it's possible, and we could quite likely see set top players coming out with that specific drive in it.....

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