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Microsoft caves to customer, vendor pressure for extended sales of Windows XP

DailyTech reported earlier this week that Microsoft was in a bit of a bind concerning the end-of-sale date for Windows XP. The company originally planned to suspend the sale of Windows XP on January 31, 2008, but later extended the date to June 30, 2008.
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Source: Dailytech

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Iria

Yep, but only for ULCPCs or Netbooks, or whatever you want to call them. They had to do it; Vista couldn't run on them and Linux would have gotten the lion's share of OEM sales.

BlueMak

I was wondering, if someone tries to activate his copy of XP in say 5-7 years from now, will he succeed?

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

Judas

I would suspect so.. they'd need to at the very least...

Either way, i wish xp would die lol....

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|2A|N

I agree it's about time people get there thumbs out of there butts and move on to bigger and better things even if that means spending more money! It's not Microsoft we need to blame for this it's technology and I'm craving for more of it everyday..!

mkk

Time for system builders to stock up then.

Tipstaff

XP Home and Vista Home Basic are pretty much the same price, however I still need to sell XP Home, mostly due to people trying my patience holding onto devices that have no Vista support (IE. old decrepit hardware... I mean seriously, why would you keep a parallel port driven scanner that takes 10 minutes to scan a text only page?!?), or for people that insist on buying complete systems for $300, but also insist on a legit MS OS to be included in the price (OMFG! I got one word for you buggers: goawayyoucheapsobs).

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Judas

tipstaff.. i simply don't sell those machines....

someone wants to go that cheap.... i point them to hp or dell... i'm not building poor quality ridden with issues... machines... waist my time and thier time. Plus i'd rather get the work involved in fixing those dell/hp/compaq..whatever machine lol..

I've only had a hard time convincing some of these people that vista isn't bad at all, if anything, much better vs xp when it's put on a machine that is properly setup. But they tend to favor the news more then someone that has actually used it longer then it's been technically out.

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Mousey

100% True to life...

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BlueMak

I can understand the desire for a better OS like Vista, but I don't see the point of hatred towards XP. It reminds me too much of all the "vista sucks" bs "news" items.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

PangingJr

i feel that same way, but don't let that get in to you.
there are so many people who waste so much time and effort advocating in favor of an OS and against others on various forum boards out there.

Judas

The only hatred i have towards xp... isn't hate..... it's just.... it's old now and vista far more versitile and useful and productive, theres no reason to use xp over vista.... is the reason..


specially when xp is costing more then vista is now.

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PangingJr

it's always been like this as long as i can remember.

Tipstaff

I personally do the same thing, but my business partner on the other hand... the guy is just too nice, and will bend over backwards to help a customer out. It's infuriating, to be honest, even more so because he complains about it afterwards. To me, it's like we're paying a customer to buy our hardware, and then supporting them for free thereafter. I've tried like hell to get him to stop opening himself up to the hassle... even bought him a chastity belt with a butt plug, but he must enjoy it or something, cuz he keeps doing it.

BTW, there was one other reason why I need to keep selling XP (particularly Pro), and that's because I have clients that either need it due to a program that they run in their company that will not run in Vista no matter what you do, they have some specialized program that they either bought, or made themselves that will not work on Vista, or that they have devices/hardware in their company that will not work with Vista.

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PangingJr

Judas, i'm not sure how many time that i have seen you mentioned something like, there is no reason to use XP anymore.
however, when you made it all sound very interesting that you are clearly against XP? i don’t want to put words into your mouth,
so seriously, are you not against (the fact) that so many XP users still thinks XP is better for their needs,
manufacturers are still seeing strong demand from customers for systems pre-loaded with XP?
also, to you, XP users, the OEM manufacturers and their customers, are all stupider than you are, no?
(don't get mad now at what i just said. we are all stupid)


btw, i'm not against XP, i find myself like Vista better (just like i used to find XP was quite a better experience than using 2K before)
however, if i find a XP-based system that can also runs Vista if wanted, but it doesn't really need to be upgraded to Vista at this point, then i can still using XP to get the work done.

Judas

we are all stupid.. indeed.. no agruement there..

however, i'm not saying everyone should upgrade thier current working xp machines to vista..

i'm saying it's utterly rediculious to buy a new machine with windows xp... it just doesn't make any sense at all imo. Rare occasion when the machine needs to be windows XP... but most of those cases, the user is better off finding another machine.. even 2nd hand.. that is already using xp...... specially if they are trying to "save" themselves money.


I don't hate xp... i just am at the point now, with a years worth of other companies having more then enough time to spit out software that will work with it, fixing thier own screwups (99% of the time it's thier own stupidity in thier programming, cutting corners and whatnot).... that windows xp.... really has no reason to be installed on a new machine at all.. it shouldn't need to technically. And it's in the end, highly counter productive and even more expensive.

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Just Learnin'

Why bother with Vista if you have not had reason to leave XP yet, Gates sees next Windows "sometime" in next year

Judas

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i just said that if you already have xp.... then i'm not making the suggestion to dumb it..

i'm saying in the case of getting a new machine, building a new one.... why purchase windows XP over windows Vista?

windows xp home = $114 oem
windows xp pro = $145 oem
windows xp pro x64 = $150
windows vista basic x64 = $98 oem
windows vista hp x64 = $129 oem

so what's worth while.. sticking with a 32bit OS, that cost more and will and is dieing quickly, purchasing xp 64bit which has less support overall then any of the vista oses to boot (and is much more pickier), or buying the x64 version of vista basic/hp which is considerably less..

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Just Learnin'

Seems Vista is dieing quickly though too, but yes in the case of a new machine I would agree with you. It just seems to me that a lot of the push to upgrade to Vista is coming from those in the business of selling hardware. A lot of companies that could make suitable drivers for existing hardware won't do so in order to increase sales. Creative is a shining example of this. I know you advocate for onboard sound though Judas which from a salesman's standpoint is somewhat admirable.

Judas

I don't like to think of myself as a salemen, more honest in that..

I don't try to push product no one needs at all, just quality, Quality in the product, quality in the support and quality all around as in being able to make changes to a machine extremely easily without any hassle or growing pains to worry about

I see alot of custom machines that other builders (computer stores)... sell, that are using terrible cases, horrible cable management, no thermal paste at all (wtf?), super small even non-stock heatsinks, essentially designed to crash setups.

I refuse to build using matx form factors.. unless the application is nessary. Someone wants that small of a machine, (specific super micro atx dimensions).. i'm sorry but why? If space is that big of a concern i usually recommend going the laptop route, less likely to have that many issues down the road. If the circumstances are right however and they are fully aware of the issues that could crop up, and so long as they don't complain to me about them, i'll do it.

But those are just general examples.

I push vista because it just makes sense, it works, it's fast, it's stable as hell, it's actually working better in many cases then XP.... even some cases of even older applications that didn't work in xp, work in vista.. (go figure)..... etc.... cheaper, more up to date, more secure, more robust, bound to have more support, list goes on and on and on, it just makes sense.

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Mousey

The only application i've had actual work-disrupting problems with under vista is the Nokia Music Manager. And even then just downloading the new version from nokia's site (which was done in like 20 minutes) fixed all the problems i was having.

Just quit bitchin and move up i say

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PangingJr

i think that is old and boring, Judas.
write a longer paragraph than that. give more insight into your hardware and software configurations, tell more about your own experience in using the particular OS, your own product recommendations, and also tell more why you think XP should not exist anymore.
anyways, remember you want to change anyone's mind about their OS selection.

Judas

I've already gone through the song and dance in several other posts and forums not to mention in real life...

I could write up a book if i wanted to be thorough enough with it.

*sigh*...

i just prefer using the single paragraph statement more now.

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PangingJr

okay then, keep writing, your wish about the XP may come true sooner.

Judas

Well it's enevitable...

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BlueMak

nvm, wrong thread.

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The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis
This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm Sic semper tyrannis.

PangingJr

you mean it's inevitable?
yeah, it's just when you start talking all the good things in your favor OS, but also keep saying bad things about other people's favorite OS, it could be the easiest way to start an argument with some.