Policing internet 'not ISP's job'

**MIG-31** · Apr 4, 2008, 08:12 AM

The head of one of Britain's biggest internet providers has criticised the music industry for demanding that he act against pirates. The trade body for UK music, the BPI, asked internet service providers to disconnect people who ignore requests to stop sharing music.

But Charles Dunstone of Carphone Warehouse, which runs the TalkTalk broadband service, is refusing.He said it is not his job to be an internet policeman. BBC technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones said that the music industry has been fighting a losing battle to prevent people from swapping songs for nothing on the internet.
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Source: BBC News

Matth · Apr 4, 2008, 07:29 PM

Cable Forum: Virgin Media first UK ISP to adopt 3-Strikes-and-out on illegal downloads [Updated]

It seems Virginmedia are adopting the 3 strikes rule, but possibly just in an extension of how it has always operated - complaint based.

In fact, many people believed it was TWO strikes before, get one cease and desist notification, and your card is marked, never heard what happened if anyone got a second.

The main objection to the way it seems they want things to happen, is the expectation that the ISP will intercept ALL traffic on the offchance of finding something, just as troubling as intercepting all web traffic for the purposes of foisting Phorm's "targeted advertising" on unsuspecting users.

The other problem with tracking IPs, is that they can get reassigned, and having strikes from a previous user would not be a good thing. Basically though, if you are caught in violation of copyright by the BPI, you are almost certainly in violation of your ISP's T's & C's as well, so the threat or actuality of termination is reasonable. The argument is whether ISPs should be any more responsible for the behaviour of their users than a telephone company with "common carrier" status.

Apr 4, 2008, 08:12 AM	#1
MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 55,739 Rep Power: 444 System Specs	Policing internet 'not ISP's job' The head of one of Britain's biggest internet providers has criticised the music industry for demanding that he act against pirates. The trade body for UK music, the BPI, asked internet service providers to disconnect people who ignore requests to stop sharing music. But Charles Dunstone of Carphone Warehouse, which runs the TalkTalk broadband service, is refusing.He said it is not his job to be an internet policeman. BBC technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones said that the music industry has been fighting a losing battle to prevent people from swapping songs for nothing on the internet. ____________ Source: BBC News __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here Last edited by MIG-31; Apr 4, 2008 at 08:26 AM.

Apr 4, 2008, 07:29 PM	#2
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,409 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	Cable Forum: Virgin Media first UK ISP to adopt 3-Strikes-and-out on illegal downloads [Updated] It seems Virginmedia are adopting the 3 strikes rule, but possibly just in an extension of how it has always operated - complaint based. In fact, many people believed it was TWO strikes before, get one cease and desist notification, and your card is marked, never heard what happened if anyone got a second. The main objection to the way it seems they want things to happen, is the expectation that the ISP will intercept ALL traffic on the offchance of finding something, just as troubling as intercepting all web traffic for the purposes of foisting Phorm's "targeted advertising" on unsuspecting users. The other problem with tracking IPs, is that they can get reassigned, and having strikes from a previous user would not be a good thing. Basically though, if you are caught in violation of copyright by the BPI, you are almost certainly in violation of your ISP's T's & C's as well, so the threat or actuality of termination is reasonable. The argument is whether ISPs should be any more responsible for the behaviour of their users than a telephone company with "common carrier" status. __________________ Mary had a little lamb, Her father shot it dead Now Mary takes her lamb to school, Between two crusts of bread