Is Vista dead in the water?

Iria · Apr 13, 2008, 03:17 AM

Analysts from Gartner said earlier this week that Windows is collapsing under its own weight. Talk in the blogosphere keeps pointing to a Windows 7 release date earlier than 2010. Is Vista already a lame duck?
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Source: BetaNews

Customgamer1 · Apr 13, 2008, 03:55 AM

That would be interesting...

Is Vista really that bad that they have to release a whole new Windows? I would have to guess that Windows 7 will be just like Vista but a little better?

Well if they do in turn release 7 in 09 or whatever it really can't suck, since so much is riding on it.

They need to adversitive it a bit more, like the Mac commercials. We only see news about how much crap Windows is and never anything good about it...

IMO Vista is fine. On new computers there is nothing wrong with it and it works very well!

GeneralClaymore · Apr 13, 2008, 06:32 AM

Same vista working great for me, i would rather if they take there time and fix it up. instead of rushing 7 out the door. because history might repeat it self.

and it be windows ME all over with the rushing.

mike2h · Apr 13, 2008, 07:52 AM

win7 is whole new os. not based on vista.
any release of it before 2010 would, imo, be a fu to vista owners.
i think vista owners would be better seved if 7 wasnt released till 2011-12. xp didnt become as good as it is in the 1st 2years. took 3-4 for it to reach maturity, & thats with ms really plugging away at it. if ms is pushing to get a brand new os out the door before 2010 what do u guys think will happen to work on vista?

Customgamer1 · Apr 13, 2008, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GeneralClaymore

Same vista working great for me, i would rather if they take there time and fix it up. instead of rushing 7 out the door. because history might repeat it self.

and it be windows ME all over with the rushing.

EDIT: was typing this up hours ago, but started playing COD4 and just posted this now. So Mike2h I did not know it was an entire new OS.

Well I hope it will be the other way around and be Vista as the ME not 7!

If anything they released Vista before it was ready.

I am sure 7 will look like vista just updated and fixed. I think for the most part Vista is all around good visual wise and how you get around.

I just don't understand why it takes all the crap it does? Do people expect to be able to run it on a 4 year old computer?

MitchRapp · Apr 13, 2008, 09:32 AM

Vista is made for computers with 2007-2008 parts

most complaints are from people running old DELL laptops with a celeron processor or something

and nVIDIA screwed up vista drivers.

Zardon · Apr 13, 2008, 09:58 AM

nvidia drivers for vista have been great for the last 6 months or so.

Iria · Apr 13, 2008, 05:59 PM

Yes, as tbe recent "Vista Capable" lawsuit emails etc. have shown - as well as other reports - there were lots of NVIDIA driver problems at first, but things have improved.

mike2h · Apr 13, 2008, 07:05 PM

do any of u know how vista 64 support is doing? specifically with creative for xfi & nv.

Alistair · Apr 13, 2008, 07:39 PM

I don't have an xfi but Creative's drivers for my Audigy 4 have been fine. I have nVidia chipsets on all of my motherboards and haven't had any issues in that department since day 1. I can't speak for their graphics drivers though. The only issues I've had in x64 is some older software with installers that won't operate. I've learned to live without my ancient games or to use Virtual PC image to run them.

**Mousey** · Apr 13, 2008, 09:11 PM

Is vista dead in the water? Is it bollocks.

All i have to say.

Judas · Apr 13, 2008, 10:54 PM

was windows 98 dead in the water when 98se was announced and release?

BlueMak · Apr 13, 2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Judas

was windows 98 dead in the water when 98se was announced and release?

Wasn't it? I don't remember.
I do remember though how good Windows ME was after XP was released.

Necrosis · Apr 14, 2008, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Judas

was windows 98 dead in the water when 98se was announced and release?

Yes especially because of USB it was.

Judas · Apr 15, 2008, 05:06 PM

well then?

mike2h · Apr 15, 2008, 05:47 PM

se was an improvemnet to 98 an add on if u will. & a good one. the upgrade path was very easy with little to no prob. win 7 is a completely new os diferent from xp & vista. the upgrade path should be at least as difficult as xp to vista.
this is the second time you have used the 98 to 98 se thing in a xp/vista to win7 thread. it didnt apply the 1st time & doesnt work now. se was an uprade TO 98. & a very good one. win 7 is yet another completely new os. you would be better served by using something like 95 to 98 or 98 to xp. & i dont mean the 2nd vers of either os - they were both needed upgrades to their respective os, with fairly painless installs. not new os.
win me was a variation on 98, still have no idea what its real purpose was, besides to make ms $$

Judas · Apr 15, 2008, 06:57 PM

Yes but you couldn't apply the exact same upgrade path to windows 98..

they essentially were different OSes and marketed as such.. there was a number of major changes under the hood.

We don't know all the details with windows 7... for all we know yes it may be a completely new OS.. but the likely possibility is that it'll be simply Vista's Core system with the updated and improvements, alot of major changes under the hood, generally similare appearance. But the time frame won't be all that different.

The point i was trying to get across is that it doesn't matter what product is, the next generation is going to put the previous generation in the spot of being "dead in the water"....

As i mentioned several times before, everyone has gotten used to the major delays of the next OS... and are now shocked that it may only be 2-3 years before a new one pops up...

3.1-95-98-98se-2000-me-xp-vista...

95 has rev 0/a/b/c's... 98 and 98se are basically completely different OSes in a sense... and were sold as is...

Or we would have seen on the shelves, and promoted like crazy the different 95 revs.

BlueMak · Apr 15, 2008, 08:16 PM

I think what you might forget is that FAR less people used computers and of course internet back in ~98. How many hundrends of millions people have a PC now? Believe it wil be as easy to transition between one OS to another in a couple of years with this huge market is in my opinion silly.
Yes it is good for the people that make money out of it...but most of the population don't see it as something good.

Judas · Apr 15, 2008, 09:08 PM

that is true bluemak...

but

generally the way it always worked before usually, was that if people felt like upgrading thier OS.. they typically just went out and bought a new computer to go with it.

However i with the way the market has changed now, more and more people are more familare with computers... not getting screwed over as often.... more people are trying to load new OSes themselves onto older machines....

FacialTurd · Apr 18, 2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Iria

Analysts from Gartner said earlier this week that Windows is collapsing under its own weight. Talk in the blogosphere keeps pointing to a Windows 7 release date earlier than 2010. Is Vista already a lame duck?

Definitely NOT, The Difference of 98 and 95, was (believe it or not) 3 years, Vista will have been going for about 4 years when they Release v7, which will probably be delayed anyway (Vista was delayed a year?).
Vista is a very high quality OS, better than any other i have used for desktop computing.
Not everyone is going to switch to Vista, (theres still people using 95 for christs sake!).

GutterPunk · Apr 18, 2008, 11:25 PM

You all have to remember that vista was supposed to be released a couple years ago but kept getting put off.

Apr 13, 2008, 03:17 AM	#1
Iria DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,275 Rep Power: 87	Is Vista dead in the water? Analysts from Gartner said earlier this week that Windows is collapsing under its own weight. Talk in the blogosphere keeps pointing to a Windows 7 release date earlier than 2010. Is Vista already a lame duck? __________ Source: BetaNews

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Customgamer1 Fell off the tech wagon Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,273 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	That would be interesting... Is Vista really that bad that they have to release a whole new Windows? I would have to guess that Windows 7 will be just like Vista but a little better? Well if they do in turn release 7 in 09 or whatever it really can't suck, since so much is riding on it. They need to adversitive it a bit more, like the Mac commercials. We only see news about how much crap Windows is and never anything good about it... IMO Vista is fine. On new computers there is nothing wrong with it and it works very well! __________________ Asus Laptop: 2.5 Intel Core 2 Duo, 4gigs DDR 2, Windows 7 64bit! Windows 7 > OSX!

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GeneralClaymore HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MI Posts: 431 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Same vista working great for me, i would rather if they take there time and fix it up. instead of rushing 7 out the door. because history might repeat it self. and it be windows ME all over with the rushing. __________________ Source: x-fi titanium hd 2x LME49720NA + 2x LME49710NA > Fiio E9(OPA2111AM)> DT880 pro 250ohm

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mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	win7 is whole new os. not based on vista. any release of it before 2010 would, imo, be a fu to vista owners. i think vista owners would be better seved if 7 wasnt released till 2011-12. xp didnt become as good as it is in the 1st 2years. took 3-4 for it to reach maturity, & thats with ms really plugging away at it. if ms is pushing to get a brand new os out the door before 2010 what do u guys think will happen to work on vista? __________________

Apr 13, 2008, 07:05 PM	#9
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	do any of u know how vista 64 support is doing? specifically with creative for xfi & nv. __________________

Apr 13, 2008, 09:32 AM	#6
MitchRapp a.k.a. pepiman Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 998 Rep Power: 49 System Specs	Vista is made for computers with 2007-2008 parts most complaints are from people running old DELL laptops with a celeron processor or something and nVIDIA screwed up vista drivers.

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Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 177	nvidia drivers for vista have been great for the last 6 months or so.

Apr 13, 2008, 05:59 PM	Thread Starter #8
Iria DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,275 Rep Power: 87	Yes, as tbe recent "Vista Capable" lawsuit emails etc. have shown - as well as other reports - there were lots of NVIDIA driver problems at first, but things have improved.

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Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I don't have an xfi but Creative's drivers for my Audigy 4 have been fine. I have nVidia chipsets on all of my motherboards and haven't had any issues in that department since day 1. I can't speak for their graphics drivers though. The only issues I've had in x64 is some older software with installers that won't operate. I've learned to live without my ancient games or to use Virtual PC image to run them. __________________ - Alistair

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Mousey Synth's Long Lost Bro Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Web Design Hell Posts: 7,156 Rep Power: 243 System Specs	Is vista dead in the water? Is it bollocks. All i have to say. __________________

Apr 15, 2008, 05:47 PM	#16
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	se was an improvemnet to 98 an add on if u will. & a good one. the upgrade path was very easy with little to no prob. win 7 is a completely new os diferent from xp & vista. the upgrade path should be at least as difficult as xp to vista. this is the second time you have used the 98 to 98 se thing in a xp/vista to win7 thread. it didnt apply the 1st time & doesnt work now. se was an uprade TO 98. & a very good one. win 7 is yet another completely new os. you would be better served by using something like 95 to 98 or 98 to xp. & i dont mean the 2nd vers of either os - they were both needed upgrades to their respective os, with fairly painless installs. not new os. win me was a variation on 98, still have no idea what its real purpose was, besides to make ms $$ __________________

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BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,240 Rep Power: 326 System Specs	I think what you might forget is that FAR less people used computers and of course internet back in ~98. How many hundrends of millions people have a PC now? Believe it wil be as easy to transition between one OS to another in a couple of years with this huge market is in my opinion silly. Yes it is good for the people that make money out of it...but most of the population don't see it as something good. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

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